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Old 11-04-2019, 11:49 AM
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You've got it wrong, Farage was never going to be in a pact with Boris, the offer was always designed to fail.
Farage’s offer to cooperate with the Tories was designed to be a win-win arrangement. If the Tories agreed not to contest strong Leave voting seats in traditional Labour areas, then it would improve the Brexit Party’s chances of getting those seats. All they would have to give up would be to not run in traditional Tory strongholds – seats they’re probably not going to win anyway. But since his offer was turned down, now Farage can state that leaving the EU is his first priority, and if the Tories were serious about leaving, they would have shown it by working with the Brexit Party. Basically it’s an indirect appeal to hard-Leave voters who may be leaning towards Johnson. I don’t think it will gain the Brexit Party any seats, but it will probably get them a few extra votes. Not to mention it got Farage’s face on the TV, which was his other motive.
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Old 11-04-2019, 12:29 PM
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Are most of the parties pro-brexit?
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:00 PM
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Depends how you want to slice it.

LibDems, Greens, and the Scottish and Welsh Nationalists are anti-Brexit. The Northern Ireland DUP are pro-Brexit, although Northern Ireland as a whole voted to remain (the other Northern Ireland parties aren't in parliament). Of the two main parties, Conservatives are mostly either pro-Brexit or, if at heart remainers, feel they have to go along with the referendum result. Labour is mostly pro-remain but is trying to offer a compromise position, because so many of their heartland constituencies voted to leave.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:14 PM
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Most Labour MPs may be pro-Remain, but their campaign promise seems to be they will negotiate a new deal then ask the public to approve it, with the intention of leaving.

I say "seems to be" because, as always with Corbyn, it's vague and subject to change on a daily basis.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:17 PM
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Depends how you want to slice it.

LibDems, Greens, and the Scottish and Welsh Nationalists are anti-Brexit. The Northern Ireland DUP are pro-Brexit, although Northern Ireland as a whole voted to remain (the other Northern Ireland parties aren't in parliament). Of the two main parties, Conservatives are mostly either pro-Brexit or, if at heart remainers, feel they have to go along with the referendum result. Labour is mostly pro-remain but is trying to offer a compromise position, because so many of their heartland constituencies voted to leave.
Right, there's really only two parties in terms of numbers. So, even the Liberal party is sorta-kinda pro-Brexit? But only 51% voted Brexit.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:41 PM
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So, even the Liberal party is sorta-kinda pro-Brexit?
No, the Lib Dems are by far the strongest Remain party in England. Labour (not a Liberal party) are effectively trying to be both at once, as they fear a lot of their long-term voters will vote Brexit party, and because there's a significant split between factions.
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No, the Lib Dems are by far the strongest Remain party in England. Labour (not a Liberal party) are effectively trying to be both at once, as they fear a lot of their long-term voters will vote Brexit party, and because there's a significant split between factions.
Right, I meant Labor.

But again, we have the two biggest parties, who represent like 80%, kowtowing to a 51% Brexit vote, which now might even be less than 50%.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:51 PM
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80% of seats, yes, but more like 60% of the vote. Labour, especially, will struggle if they lose votes to another party as they are already polling well below the Tories. And that's ignoring Scotland and Northern Ireland, where the local parties could well get enough seats to hold the balance of power, and could potentially be majority remain.

The problem is that Leave/Remain isn't neatly split across party lines, and yet is the biggest issue at this election, despite the claims of some parties.
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A NYT columnist says Boris isn't up to the COVID-19 challenge: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/o...s-johnson.html
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A NYT columnist says Boris isn't up to the COVID-19 challenge: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/o...s-johnson.html
Basically the article says Boris has handled the situation poorly up to the present. Quite true. However almost every other country has done the same (exceptions a few countries in East Asia).

For handling the crisis from now on there is this possibility:
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Senior Conservatives are questioning whether Boris Johnson will need a national unity government or emergency cross-party council to share responsibility for the coronavirus crisis if the situation worsens.

George Freeman, a former minister in Johnson’s government, was the first to break cover to say a “Covid coalition” government may be “unavoidable” and some other Tory MPs privately believe the prime minister will need cross-party governing consensus if emergency measures are to continue for months.

Freeman told the Guardian: “The scale of this national emergency – the suspension of usual freedoms and democracy, the economic consequences and the likely loss of tens of thousands of lives – demands a suspension of politics as usual.

“When Labour have a sensible new leader, Keir Starmer [if elected] should be invited to Covid cabinet, Cobra and joint No 10 briefings.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-conservatives

In any event I would much prefer to be governed by a government headed by Boris Johnson than one headed by Donald Trump.
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. . . In any event I would much prefer to be governed by a government headed by Boris Johnson than one headed by Donald Trump.
To be fair, you are setting the bar pretty low there.
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Old 03-27-2020, 01:59 AM
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A NYT columnist says Boris isn't up to the COVID-19 challenge: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/o...s-johnson.html
I'm not a Boris fan, but that article is basically a hack attack based on prejudice and hindsight. Johnson prioritised the economy and concluded that medium-scale social interventions would be sufficient to prevent the effects of the Coronavirus. When those interventions had unsuccessful results, he moved on to large-scale social interventions. With hindsight, he was late to do so, but it's a matter of days, not weeks. I'm not aware of anyone in the UK who was calling for the current social restrictions as of the end of February. Someone could argue that they should have been implemented on 17 March instead of 24 March, but at that point the health authorities were hoping that voluntary self-isolation and social distancing would be effective.
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There are plenty of things to criticise Boris for - the main one being Dominic Fucking Cumming - but at least he's not Trump. He was slow off the mark but he did eventually leave the starting block and get running in the right direction. The real test will be how he continues.
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And now Boris has tested positive for the coronavirus. Dominic Raab to stand in.
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Old 03-27-2020, 06:29 AM
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Johnson is an example of 'be careful what you wish for'.

He's always wanted to be Churchill, and now his Churchill moment has come... but he's not up to it.
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And now Boris has tested positive for the coronavirus. Dominic Raab to stand in.
That's going to concentrate some minds in government. I wonder if everyone he's been in contact with in Downing Street over the past week is going to be tested/self-isolate. It's unlikely that's he's the only one who's got it.
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Johnson is an example of 'be careful what you wish for'.

He's always wanted to be Churchill, and now his Churchill moment has come... but he's not up to it.
That ship pretty much sailed, hit an iceberg and sank the moment he joked that the effort to manufacture a lot of ventilators quickly should be called "Operation Last Gasp".

Not cool, Boris.
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Here's more on Raab, for those (like me) who don't know of him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Raab
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And now Boris has tested positive for the coronavirus. Dominic Raab to stand in.
Wait, what does it mean to “stand in”? Is Raab now making all the decisions? If so, is Johnson so sick that he can’t be trusted to make rational choices, or too weak physically to absorb information? Surely the PM would be able to teleconference and WF10DS like everyone else...?
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