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Battered Bastards of Baseball was interesting. Might give a good second tier baseball fix.

Gracias. I saw it last night. Was nice, but gave a few lumps in the throat/

Screwball, I didn't make it through. Wait, I'm thinking about a doc about Tim Wakefield, it looks like this is something else.
I think that is it. About a seller of PEDS.
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Besides Tejada and the big three starters, the book and movie barely mention Eric Chavez either. The five best players on the team that year by WAR, and by pretty much any other measure you;d care to name. But they didn't fit the narrative...If I didn't know better I'd think the A's were successful that year because of Scott Hatteberg and Ricardo Rincon.
There's a whole section of the book where Beane brags about Chavez. People keep forgetting it's there.

Having said that, Michael Lewis had a point to make, so of course he looked at the information that made it. Moneyball is NOT primarily a book about baseball. It is a business book about the phenomenon of mis-valuing of assets.
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Update: Opening Day now postponed by at least 7 weeks.
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Well, better to decide now.
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How short could a viable season be, anyway? Half? It's hard to imagine starting in mid-August and then having a postseason after 40 games.
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I think 80-100 games is enough. MLB will be inclined to do SOMETHING. Every game makes money.
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How short could a viable season be, anyway? Half? It's hard to imagine starting in mid-August and then having a postseason after 40 games.
The only significantly shortened season that MLB has had in its modern history (but which did feature a postseason) was 1981, due to a players' strike in mid-season; that year, teams played just over 100 regular-season games. It led to a revised post-season format, in which the first round pitted the division leaders in the first half of the season against the leaders from the second half of the season.

We also had 1994, in which the players went on strike in mid-August, after ~115 games, but there was no postseason that year.
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I should also note that, in 1918, the major leagues ended their seasons about a month early, due to the ongoing effects of World War I; teams played about 125 games that season, and there was a World Series. (Normal schedules in that era were 154 games.)

Then, in 1919, they played a slightly abbreviated schedule of 140 games.
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MLB.TV. Any word on an adjustment to annual subscriptions?


With a shortened season, I am hoping for an adjustment.

Anyone know of anything?
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Another question: I know it would depend on contract wording, but if a team signed someone for the 2020 season and it didn't happen, would the contract roll over to the 2021 season? I'm thinking Mookie here. My feeling is that if he gets paid for not doing shit this year, he owes the Dodgers the 2021 season gratis.
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I would guess if there is no 2020 season then they would have to go by what baseball bylaws say about contracts along with the CBA with the union. NHL missed a whole season so there is precedent.
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The only significantly shortened season that MLB has had in its modern history (but which did feature a postseason) was 1981 ...

We also had 1994, in which the players went on strike in mid-August, after ~115 games, but there was no postseason that year.
In 1995 after the strike ended, the season was 144 games with a post-season. That was the first one with the "divisional series" played.
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I think 80-100 games is enough. MLB will be inclined to do SOMETHING. Every game makes money.
And, although the NFL is the 10,000 pound gorilla, baseball is still a unifier. No one remembers the first NY Giants or Jets game after Sept 11. Every Sept 11 documentary will show a bit of the Yankees returning to baseball. That would have happened even if Bush had owned the Cowboys and not the Texas Rangers before the Presidency.

Anything less than 80 games will require some unique schedule.
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Another question: I know it would depend on contract wording, but if a team signed someone for the 2020 season and it didn't happen, would the contract roll over to the 2021 season? I'm thinking Mookie here. My feeling is that if he gets paid for not doing shit this year, he owes the Dodgers the 2021 season gratis.
Answering my own question:

https://www.dodgersnation.com/dodger...FpG9bLwjL2JcpA
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I'd been wondering what would happen with service time.

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I assume salaries would be pro-rated to a abbreviated season?
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If you haven't seen Moneyball it's very good . Even good for non sports fans. The book is good too and goes into more detail as you might expect.
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And, although the NFL is the 10,000 pound gorilla, baseball is still a unifier. No one remembers the first NY Giants or Jets game after Sept 11. Every Sept 11 documentary will show a bit of the Yankees returning to baseball. That would have happened even if Bush had owned the Cowboys and not the Texas Rangers before the Presidency.

Anything less than 80 games will require some unique schedule.
I'm probably in the minority here, but I am surprised at the number of voices in the media concerned about a short schedule. I think they should just kick it off whenever they can and roll with it. If it means a 75 game schedule, so what? Better than no season at all.
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I am surprised at the number of voices in the media concerned about a short schedule. I think they should just kick it off whenever they can and roll with it. If it means a 75 game schedule, so what? Better than no season at all.
I agree with this, though I like the idea of the weekly double headers and maybe extending the season, but not into November like some articles have mentioned.
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The Athletic article quotes some people as saying things to the effect of "well you can't play an 81 game season. How would you know you're crowning the best team? Sometimes the best team at mid season doesn't even make the playoffs."

I really don't understand that argument. The season is what it is. Nobody says about a 162 game season that you might not be crowning the best team because you didn't play 190 games. It's true the Nationals would not have won last year if it had been a shortened season. So what? If the season is 81 games, it's 81 games, and the team that does the best wins. It would certainly be a fairer season than the 1981 season, where the two National League teams with the best records didn't even make the playoffs.
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I am surprised at the number of voices in the media concerned about a short schedule. I think they should just kick it off whenever they can and roll with it. If it means a 75 game schedule, so what? Better than no season at all.
I dont mind 76 games. I mentioned a unique schedule because I think youd want to avoid as many cross country matchups as you can. Obviously TV ratings usually suck for those especially during the week. Id be fine with more interleague play but keeping teams closer to home, far easier for makeup games as well.
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I think it's probably mostly old timers who don't like the short season. A lot of them still don't like the DH and interleague play. As always don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
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I see your point about avoiding long travel. If the season must be half long it would likely be a good idea to redesign it to reduce that kind of stuff. That would allow for a few extra games to be added without extending the season's length in time.

The advantage of keeping interleague play is clear; if my team, the Blue Jays, aren't going to host or travel to see West Coast teams, they have to make that up somewhere but it'd be a bit much to play the entire season against just a handful of teams. By retaining a half dozen games against opponents like the Phillies, Mets and Reds, you'd add some variety to the schedule without onerous travel.
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Some people are calling for extending the season well into December and having playoff games at neutral sites in domed stadiums and warm-weather cities. Miami has been proposed as a site for the World Series. This is completely stupid. Nobody in Miami even bothers to show up to watch the home team when the Marlins are in town. What makes anybody think that a World Series would be successful there? Not only that, but then there would be almost no off-season before 2021's season begins.
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Not only that, but then there would be almost no off-season before 2021's season begins.
I'm not worried about a drastically truncated off-season. The NFL operates with an off-season that is approximately 14 hours long. But I definitely think the World Series in Miami is stupid. Put somewhere central(ish) - maybe the new Rangers stadium, or Houston (though we shouldn't be rewarding Houston with jack-squat)? On second thought, that's just a bad idea on its face. Institute 7-inning doubleheader rules, and pack as many games in as possible. Give the players union as much as they want for it - active rosters of 30 on doubleheader days? You got it. Tie game after 12 innings? It's a tie. I don't care - just give me as much baseball as possible as soon as it's safe to do so.

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I'd much rather just a shorter season and a World Series in home parks in October. Having the home crowd going berzerk is part of the fun.
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I'd much rather just a shorter season and a World Series in home parks in October. Having the home crowd going berzerk is part of the fun.
It really does make a big difference.
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If the Yankees, Red Sox, big name teams etc., are in the world series pretty much anywhere could sellout. Small market teams would have a harder time selling tickets.
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I’ve got a great idea. MLB can finally drop all the over the top military worship and honor nurses this season.

That could easily be phased out for the 2021 season and we’d finally be rid of the military shit that has been impossible to drop since 9/11.

I think we’re stuck with God Bless America regardless
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Remember the Pentagon was paying a lot of teams for that military stuff. Can nurses pay too?
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Remember the Pentagon was paying a lot of teams for that military stuff. Can nurses pay too?
Cite please? I don't know of the Pentagon paying for that at any stadium.
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Cite please? I don't know of the Pentagon paying for that at any stadium.
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No where in that link does it say the Air Force was paying teams.

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I was just responding to your post doubting that "the Pentagon was paying for that at any stadium", which they did, as stated in that article. I'd guess that Bijou's wording was a little off - certainly no one's getting a check for letting some B-2s fly over.
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I was just responding to your post doubting that "the Pentagon was paying for that at any stadium", which they did, as stated in that article. I'd guess that Bijou's wording was a little off - certainly no one's getting a check for letting some B-2s fly over.
Bijou's post implied the military was paying teams. I don't think that is true. That the military pays for the cost of flyovers and on-field color guards is another story and started long before 9-11. Or, it looks like we're in agreement.
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I thought this was probably the most appropriate place to post this.

With the 2020 MLB season on hold, Fanatics, the company that manufactures baseball uniforms, is instead manufacturing hospital masks and gowns for the health care providers on the front lines fighting Covid-19.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...wns/111466516/

Way to go, Fanatics! You got yourselves the salami.

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The Department of Defense has paid for military themed events at MLB and NFL stadiums.
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Bijou's post implied the military was paying teams. I don't think that is true. That the military pays for the cost of flyovers and on-field color guards is another story and started long before 9-11. Or, it looks like we're in agreement.
Is the objection whether the military is paying MLB for events, or paying teams themselves directly? Im not sure if there is a difference.
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I wasn't aware the military was paying the teams to have military displays. Based on what Blank Slate posted, it looks like that was happening.
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Thread from 2015.

Read about the staged military family reunions for extra nausea. Can't we just go see a ballgame without all the jingoism?
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I'm trying to confirm, has anyone else seen that MLB will allow 29 man rosters for the first month when the season finally begins?

It looks like this is real: https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/03/27...eball-returns/

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I'm trying to confirm, has anyone else seen that MLB will allow 29 man rosters for the first month when the season finally begins?

It looks like this is real: https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/03/27...eball-returns/
Makes sense; when the shortened 1995 season started after the strike, rosters were 28 players for a while. Plus the season was supposed to start with 26 man rosters anyway due to more usage of pitchers.
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Plus the season was supposed to start with 26 man rosters anyway due to more usage of pitchers.
Was the reason because of more pitcher usage? I thought it was a concession to the players because fewer pitchers would be used due to the 3 batter rule instituted this year.
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