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Old 06-19-2019, 12:22 AM
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So I guess Mitch just calls anything he doesn't like "socialism".
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Old 06-19-2019, 12:50 AM
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So I guess Mitch just calls anything he doesn't like "socialism".
It's all they've got.

It's what they always do: Demonize words and make them take on sinister meanings they doesn't actually mean. Then beat us over the head with it until the meme takes.

"Benghazi."
"Unmasking."
"(No) collusion."
"Hoax."
"Spying."
"Liberal."
"Democrat."

I'm sure you can think of dozens more.

Notice how they all start howling like coyotes in a chorus when they agree on whatever misdirection they're going to undertake.

I watched some Republican House member today gish gallop away while being interviewed by Chris Hayes. He repeatedly brought up Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and implied that they are the true "criminals."

This is the new "Benghazi." Expect Bill Barr to attempt to prosecute both as election day approaches.
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Old 06-19-2019, 02:10 AM
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It's all they've got.

It's what they always do: Demonize words and make them take on sinister meanings they doesn't actually mean. Then beat us over the head with it until the meme takes.

"Benghazi."
"Unmasking."
"(No) collusion."
"Hoax."
"Spying."
"Liberal."
"Democrat."

You left off:

"Fake". Anything Trump and his ilk don't like, it's "fake news", "fake investigation", "fake whatever". Veracity has nothing to do with their use of the word fake.

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Notice how they all start howling like coyotes in a chorus when they agree on whatever misdirection they're going to undertake.

I watched some Republican House member today gish gallop away while being interviewed by Chris Hayes. He repeatedly brought up Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and implied that they are the true "criminals."

This is the new "Benghazi." Expect Bill Barr to attempt to prosecute both as election day approaches.

Good call on using the word chorus. Over in the Trump admin cluster thread, I posted this pardoy (to the tune of Holy, Holy, Holy):

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Trump's Wall Almighty
Early in the morning our song shall rise to him
The best, the best, the best
Beautiful, wonderful
The Wall he says Mexico's paying for

It's far beyond obvious by now that Mexico is not going to pay for that fucking wall; however, many of his supporters--and Tan the Conman himself--still insisst that somehow the funding for that wall is actually coming from Mexico.
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:56 AM
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The Trump administration has proposed a novel plan to shrink the number of people who need food stamps and subsidized health insurance: change the definition of poverty.

The idea is not original, but the methodology is ingenious. Rather than unilaterally lower the federal poverty level, the Office of Management and Budget wants to change how inflation is used to adjusted the poverty threshold over time.

For example, the federal poverty level for a family of four in 2009 was $22,050, and over the past decade, the government has adjusted the rate for inflation to $25,750. The OMB, though, wants to use a new methodology for calculating inflation, one that produces a lower inflation rate.

By lowering the Official Poverty Measure’s inflation rate, the number of people living in poverty would shrink every year, even though their standard of living would be unimproved. That would reduce the number of people who qualify for services and shrink the federal budget deficit.
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If the new methodology is adopted, 250,000 seniors and people with disabilities would lose their eligibility, or receive less help, over the next 10 years from Medicare’s Part D Low-Income Subsidy Program, according to the Washington-based Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.

More than 300,000 children would lose comprehensive health coverage, and more than 150,000 consumers who buy insurance through healthcare.gov would receive lower subsidies.

Before you cheer the reduction in government spending on poor people, consider that none of this money actually goes into poor people’s pockets.

SNAP and WIC funds go straight from the state government to the grocer providing the food. Medicare, Medicaid and other health care dollars go from the government to health care providers. Head Start pays for teachers to give lessons to poor children, so they have a better shot in life.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:06 AM
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Right winger Candace Owens thinks people should have their citizenship revoked if they burn the flag.
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Thick skulled right wingers value the flag more than they do the actual fucking country.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:27 AM
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Ri-i-i-ight!

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Old 06-19-2019, 09:20 AM
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So I guess Mitch just calls anything he doesn't like "socialism".
That's been the right-wing playbook for decades. Lately, though, they're undermining their own point, because all of these post-Cold-War Millennials/GenZ folks are seeing them calling pretty much everything that makes the average person's life better or easier called "socialism" and thinking "Hey, this socialism thing sounds like a great idea!"

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Old 06-19-2019, 10:47 AM
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Thick skulled right wingers value the flag more than they do the actual fucking country.
They don't, really, any more than they value the Constitution or the Bible. In all three cases they say they do, but then you find them doing lots of stuff that directly contradicts those claims. Wearing the flag as a sweatband or boxer shorts or plastering it all over your bumper where it will get muddy and covered with dead bugs is virtue-signalling, not reverence.

(I will note that the conservatives I know with military backgrounds tend to take flag etiquette seriously, unlike their flag-humping brethren.)
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:01 AM
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And those are the ones who display the US flag, not the one of slavery.
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And those are the ones who display the US flag, not the one of slavery.
If people want to desecrate the Confederate flag, it's fine by me and I'm not aware of any laws or even rules of flag etiquette against it. Ditto the Nazi flag.

That said, I don't think burning or otherwise abusing an American flag should be illegal. Deliberately doing so may, however, make you look like a dipshit.
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I meant it's desecrating the American flag, and shitting on the ideals it stands for, to proudly display that other thing at all.
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I think it's one of those things that made good sense almost 250 years ago.
When "Wyoming" was the name of a region in Pennsylvania?
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Mitch McConnell says proposals to make District of Columbia and Puerto Rico states are "full bore socialism".

https://www.thenation.com/article/mi...ore-socialism/

From the 2016 Republican Party platform:
"We support the right of the United States citizens of Puerto Rico to be admitted to the Union as a fully sovereign state."

I know they put things in the platform they never meant to honor.

But by attaching the snarl word(*) “socialism” to it he lets it out that he considers the mere possibility to be simply hateful.

(*and yeah that’s what it is to him and his ilk, alright)
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Old 06-20-2019, 10:22 AM
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How come we get all these people elected in Florida?
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State Rep. Anthony Sabatini’s response to a tweet about a man who attempted to knock the phone out of an Orlando Sentinel reporter’s hand at Amway Center was “MAGA,” a comment he stood by Wednesday despite the man being arrested and charged with battery.
...Williams, who identified himself as a reporter, “was videotaping two men, one of which was Kestner, involved in an argument in reference to the Trump Rally,” the police report states. “Kestner told Williams to stop recording and stated that he would kick Williams in the testicles. Kestner approached Williams and used his right hand to slap Williams’ right hand, which was holding the phone.”
The assaulter himself apologized, claiming drunkenness, but the state rep just doubled down instead.
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Roy Moore announces he's running for Senate again.

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Roy Moore announces he's running for Senate again.

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Larry Sabato (The Crystal Ball) called that a "good thing" on twitter today, saying that Judge Roy was possibly the only Republican candidate that Doug Jones could beat.
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Jim Bakker says that if Individual 1 loses, Christian leaders will start dying mysteriously.
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Jim Bakker says that if Individual 1 loses, Christian leaders will start dying mysteriously.
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Nifty!
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Kind of a win/win that keeps on winning.
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Old 06-20-2019, 04:02 PM
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Jim Bakker says that if Individual 1 loses, Christian leaders will start dying mysteriously.
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He says that like it's a bad thing. I'd call it a highly desired feature.
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:30 PM
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When will Republicans wake up to the obvious fact that many of their supporters are obviously, clearly mentally ill?
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:34 PM
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When will Republicans wake up to the obvious fact that many of their supporters are obviously, clearly mentally ill?
That's not a bug, that's a feature.
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:34 PM
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I've said it before, will say it again: the Bible never made the case the Antichrist couldn't have as his base a bunch of evangelical Americans.
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I've said it before, will say it again: the Bible never made the case the Antichrist couldn't have as his base a bunch of evangelical Americans.
Heh. I've seen the claims that UPC barcodes are "THE MARK" that Revelation says everyone will have to wear in order to participate in the economy (even to the point of buying food, apparently). Shortly after I learned about this, I started seeing advertising for small businesses that made a point of including a little drawing of a fish. The intended message seemed to be "do business with ME, because I'm a Christian."

The message that I got was "ONLY do business with businesses that display THE MARK."
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On Thursday, the conservative wing of the Supreme Court called into question the whole project of modern American governance.

In Gundy v. United States, which concerned the constitutionality of a law requiring the registration of sex offenders, four of the more conservative justices endorsed a controversial legal theory according to which Congress lacks the power to delegate broad powers to agencies like the Food and Drug Administration and the Department of Heath and Human Services.

For now, the four more-liberal justices have brushed back the challenge, ruling 5 to 3, with Justice Samuel Alito, that Congress can give to the executive branch the authority to implement that specific law. But a close reading of the decisions in the case — and the fact that Justice Brett Kavanaugh was recused — suggests that the liberals may not have the votes to turn back the conservative assault on Congress’s powers.

Federal agencies have been vested with expansive authority since the dawn of the republic, but the administrative state as we know it really took off in the 20th century. The rise of agencies like the Office of Price Administration, the Social Security Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency was essential to the prosecution of two world wars, the creation of the post-New Deal welfare state and the regulation of novel risks such as industrial pollution.

But powerful agencies have long generated anxiety among conservatives. The Constitution, they note, assigns to Congress “all legislative powers herein granted.” Very broad delegations of power from Congress to administrative agencies, conservatives argue, amount to an unconstitutional dereliction of Congress’s responsibilities.
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So the writing may be on the wall for the hands-off doctrine that has enabled the federal government to be a functional government. If that fifth vote comes, the court would generate enormous uncertainty about every aspect of government action. Lawsuits against federal agencies would proliferate, and their targets would include entities that we’ve come to rely on for cleaner air, effective drugs, safer roads and much else.
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Steve Bannon would be very happy about this.

Aspenglow, I'd be interested in your thoughts.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:13 PM
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Steve Bannon would be very happy about this.
Bannon's happiness would be negligible when compared to Putin's.
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Steve Bannon would be very happy about this.

Aspenglow, I'd be interested in your thoughts.
Apologies, ThelmaLou. I missed this till just now.

Steve Bannon and Grover Norquist.

I don't think anyone needs any special training in the legal field to see what's happening here. They're flat telling us. It's been the goal of the Federalist Society/American Enterprise Institute (Kochs) for decades to reduce government until you can "drown it in a bathtub." They're so close they can taste it. I'm sure the legal "reasoning" has been worked out for a very long time.

Not wishing to be overly dramatic, but the flame of liberty is guttering. They have their 5 votes. They're going to use them. They'll cement their legacy with a cherry on top when they replace Bader Ginsberg, if we don't stop them in 2020 in both houses of Congress and the presidency.

As I'm sure you're aware, economist Paul Krugman summarized as: "Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit." He wrote that the "...beast is starving, as planned..." and that "Republicans insist that the deficit must be eliminated, but they're not willing either to raise taxes or to support cuts in any major government programs. And they're not willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either, because that might force them to explain their plan—and there isn't any plan, except to regain power." (Emphasis mine.)

We took our eyes of the ball. They never did.

Put it this way: I'm glad I'm in the final third of my lifetime.
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Apologies, ThelmaLou. I missed this till just now.
No prob. I know you're busy with your comfort food buffet.

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As I'm sure you're aware, economist Paul Krugman summarized as: "Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit." He wrote that the "...beast is starving, as planned..." and that "Republicans insist that the deficit must be eliminated, but they're not willing either to raise taxes or to support cuts in any major government programs. And they're not willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either, because that might force them to explain their plan—and there isn't any plan, except to regain power." (Emphasis mine.)
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Put it this way: I'm glad I'm in the final third of my lifetime.
NFJ. In 20 years, I'll be 90 (God willing) and ready to check out. It's one of those times I'm glad I don't have kids/grandkids to worry about.
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The Oregon state legislature is working on a climate change bill, and Republican legislators refused to attend, preventing a quorum, so the Democratic Governor sent out state police to round up the missing Republicans to come to the legislature. Local militia groups are claiming they will protect the missing Republicans, and have called for an armed rally outside the state Capitol. The Capitol was shut down for safety reasons.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1TN0PS
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The Oregon state legislature is working on a climate change bill, and Republican legislators refused to attend, preventing a quorum, so the Democratic Governor sent out state police to round up the missing Republicans to come to the legislature. Local militia groups are claiming they will protect the missing Republicans, and have called for an armed rally outside the state Capitol. The Capitol was shut down for safety reasons.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1TN0PS
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One of the missing Republicans, state Senator Brian Boquist, told Portland television station KGW on Wednesday that if state police come for him, they should “send bachelors and come heavily armed.”
Have we ever had a sitting state senator die in a hail of police gunfire?

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The Oregon state legislature is working on a climate change bill, and Republican legislators refused to attend, preventing a quorum, so the Democratic Governor sent out state police to round up the missing Republicans to come to the legislature. Local militia groups are claiming they will protect the missing Republicans, and have called for an armed rally outside the state Capitol. The Capitol was shut down for safety reasons.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1TN0PS
So this is what Republican leadership looks like today. Sigh.
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NFJ! ...
This stands for No Fucking Joke. Did I invent this? (Seriously, I don't know if I did. Has anyone encountered it elsewhere?)
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So this is what Republican leadership looks like today. Sigh.
I don't have a problem with the senators fleeing the state. Dems did it in Wisconsin in 2011, and I support the move in both cases, as long as it doesn't shut down all legislative functions for too long. Gives the minority time to breathe before getting steamrolled by the majority.

Mouth-breather militia types and the senators who support such stupidity, though... yeah, fuck those guys.

I'll be interested in seeing how Brian Boquist spins his comments to show him as anything other than a thug who'd rather murder police officers than abide the law.
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I don't have a problem with the senators fleeing the state. Dems did it in Wisconsin in 2011, and I support the move in both cases, as long as it doesn't shut down all legislative functions for too long. Gives the minority time to breathe before getting steamrolled by the majority.
This is different tho. I. This situaion, the GOP has reneged on a promise not to do this. They got concesions from the Dems and now, by fleeing, are failing to do what they promised. They are bad faith actors and should not be trusted again.

And that’s in addition to threatening violence.
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This is different tho. I. This situaion, the GOP has reneged on a promise not to do this.
They did promise not to do that! Bastards!

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May 7, 2019: Senate Republicans walked out for four days to protest a $2 billion tax package for K-12 schools. They later struck a deal with Brown, getting Democrats to kill bills addressing guns and vaccine exemptions. The deal also included a “reset” on the cap-and-trade bill and a promise not to walk out again.
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The Oregon state legislature is working on a climate change bill, and Republican legislators refused to attend, preventing a quorum, so the Democratic Governor sent out state police to round up the missing Republicans to come to the legislature. Local militia groups are claiming they will protect the missing Republicans, and have called for an armed rally outside the state Capitol. The Capitol was shut down for safety reasons.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1TN0PS
Why didn't they simply show up and vote no? Are they afraid that the future will judge them on that vote?
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So this is what Republican leadership looks like today. Sigh.
Just sent Brian an email. Between my Wife and I we have nearly 60 years of government jobs. I will not put up with this shit.

In case anyone feels the same -

Brian Boquist email
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Why didn't they simply show up and vote no? Are they afraid that the future will judge them on that vote?
There are enough Democrats to pass the bill, but not enough to form a quorum to get the bill considered.
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Is that legal for the state police to round up State Congressmen like that?

N/M, just saw the topic in General Questions.

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There are enough Democrats to pass the bill, but not enough to form a quorum to get the bill considered.
Ah, if two republicans showed up and voted no, it would be considered because the Dems are going to vote for it. But if they aren't there even to vote against it, they don't have a quorum, so it dies.(guessing)

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There are enough Democrats to pass the bill, but not enough to form a quorum to get the bill considered.
Here's the background. It's about votes. With the Pubbies, it's always about votes.
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...Eleven Republicans refused to show up to work on Thursday and went into hiding in protest of HB2020, a bill that establishes a carbon cap, in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Industries that emit carbon dioxide -- power plants, manufacturers, etc. -- would have to buy an "allowance" for each metric ton emitted, thereby reducing the incentive to produce carbon dioxide in the first place.

The goal of the bill is to cut greenhouse gas emissions 80% by 2050 versus 1990 numbers.

But the purchasing of allowances would likely mean costs are passed down to the consumers, and prices for gas or diesel would increase -- a position untenable for the Republicans holding out from a vote. Rural Oregonians, who drive longer distances, and farmers, who use heavy machinery, would likely be disproportionately affected.

Without a quorum, the legislature cannot legally vote on the bill.
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"Public servants are chosen by and entrusted to represent their constituents, and working for the people of Oregon is an honor and a privilege," Kate Kondayen, deputy communications director for Oregon Gov. Kate Brown, said in a statement Tuesday as legislators threatened the walkout. "Playing games and avoiding tough conversations is a dereliction of that responsibility and trust."

"Governor Brown has always dealt fairly and transparently with the Senate Republicans, and trusted them when they gave their word they wouldn’t engage in further walkouts earlier this session," Kondayen continued. "She expects them to honor their word and if not is prepared to call upon those resources available to her -- including authorizing state troopers to bring senators back to the Capitol and, if necessary, calling legislators back to Salem to complete their work over the summer."
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Not only are militias threatening Dem legislators in Oregon, the Oregon GOP is cheering on the threats. They're not even hiding how fascistic they've become.
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Not only are militias threatening Dem legislators in Oregon, the Oregon GOP is cheering on the threats. They're not even hiding how fascistic they've become.
Many, no doubt, see this as encouragement that their President need never leave office. All it will take is enough armed militias.....and, of course, the "right" commanders in local (D.C.) law enforcement and the military, to tell their own forces to stand down.

Watch for Trump to commend the Oregon militias in the warmest of terms.
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This is different tho. I. This situaion, the GOP has reneged on a promise not to do this. They got concesions from the Dems and now, by fleeing, are failing to do what they promised. They are bad faith actors and should not be trusted again.



And that’s in addition to threatening violence.
Not only that but there are provisions in the Oregon Constitution that the governor is following, whereas the Wisconsin Constitution had no such language.

Also, since we're making false equivalencies, it should be known that the reason Wisconsin Democrats fled the state was because Republicans were attempting to bust up unions. Whereas Oregon Republicans left the state because they don't care about climate change.

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This stands for No Fucking Joke. Did I invent this? (Seriously, I don't know if I did. Has anyone encountered it elsewhere?)
Did you invent NFJ? NFW.

Urban Dictionary: NFJ
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Meghan McCain's husband, Ben Domenech, whose father is a State Department official, publishes the right wing rag The Federalist. He is now selling T shirts that say "Kamala is a Cop". Can somebody explain to me how this is an insult?
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Meghan McCain's husband, Ben Domenech, whose father is a State Department official, publishes the right wing rag The Federalist. He is now selling T shirts that say "Kamala is a Cop". Can somebody explain to me how this is an insult?
He figures it will hurt her with knee jerk anti-cop progressive Democratic voters in the primaries, also with minority voters. Republicans are ascairt of Harris.
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Meghan McCain's husband, Ben Domenech, whose father is a State Department official, publishes the right wing rag The Federalist. He is now selling T shirts that say "Kamala is a Cop". Can somebody explain to me how this is an insult?

Well ACAB, but I don't suppose that's what's implied here.
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He figures it will hurt her with knee jerk anti-cop progressive Democratic voters in the primaries, also with minority voters. Republicans are ascairt of Harris.
>Implying that the police force as an institution is not so fundamentally broken to be not worth salvaging

I mean, it's what, every other day we get more evidence of how the cops treat black people?

And actual studies into it show that most urban areas suffer from both underpolicing (the police cannot or will not solve urban murders) and overpolicing (arresting people for misdemeanors, taking in an average of $120 in court fines per person in a neighborhood, and it's really not hard to find more examples of this).

"Kamala is a cop" probably has to do specifically with her actions as a DA, such as jailing parents for truancy. Actions she laughed about. I don't find it particularly funny, personally. To be a DA in today's system, you have to put up with a lot of quite frankly evil shit. Kamala did exactly that, and doesn't seem to think she has any apologizing to do for it. She seems to think she did nothing wrong. And I don't think that's a great look, honestly.

We're not reflexively or "knee-jerk" anti-cop. We're anti-cop because we see what cops do.

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>"Kamala is a cop" probably has to do specifically with her actions as a DA, such as jailing parents for truancy. Actions she laughed about. I don't find it particularly funny, personally. To be a DA in today's system, you have to put up with a lot of quite frankly evil shit. Kamala did exactly that, and doesn't seem to think she has any apologizing to do for it. She seems to think she did nothing wrong. And I don't think that's a great look, honestly.
I do not believe that any parents were ever jailed for truancy of their children. Snopes has a fairly good article on it. Not that the truth will change too many minds, but there it is.
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