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Old 02-11-2020, 11:58 PM
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Amy Klobuchar Presidential Campaign Thread


Amy Jean Klobuchar (/ˈkloʊbəʃɑːr/; born May 25, 1960) is an American lawyer and politician serving as the senior United States Senator from Minnesota.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Klobuchar

Previously she seemed to be an also-ran in the Democratic Presidential Campaign race but tonight she finished third in the New Hampshire primary with 20% of the vote, very substantially ahead of Elizabeth Warren with 9% of the vote and Joe Biden with 8% of the vote. Thus I feel it is time for a thread devoted entirely about her as there doesn't seem to be one.

With a third-place finish, Klobuchar bursts to the center of the Democratic presidential race
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c1c_story.html

Personally I don't know enough about her (positions...) to know if I will support her.

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She came in 5th in Iowa and 3rd in NH.

I mean, not terrible but I seriously doubt she becomes the nominee unless both Biden and Buttigieg drop out before her, and I don't see that happening.

I think she will limp along, collecting 3rd and 4th place wins then drop out sometime after super tuesday.
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here is her site's issues page – not much there beyond mundane boilerplate.
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My biggest problem with her:

- Amy Klobuchar Keeps Voting for Trump’s ‘Horrific’ Judges
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I dunno, I heard she did quite well in the last debate and that got her on a lot of radars. I hadn't heard of her, but I'm in California, and typically don't pay too much attention to the primaries. Looking briefly through her wiki, there's a lot to like.
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How much of it is because of the spectacular collapse of Warren and Biden? But, as a Pete supporter, I’ll be happy to let her have the target on her back for a while.

The staff mistreatment will definitely be front and center. The allegations seem a lot more serious than they can’t take half day Fridays.

The prosecutorial record will also be under the microscope. In this era of the Democratic Party, I doubt any prosecutor will be able to survive the scrutiny of the activist wing.
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Go, Amy! She's the only candidate still running who has shown she can win in red counties and congressional districts.
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Klobmentum! https://twitter.com/8Karls/status/1226634310087782400

The Klob is my favorite moderate, by far. I'm still for Bernie, but I'd much prefer Klobuchar to Buttigieg or Biden.
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Holy shit, Klobuchar is getting the backing of the extremely powerful culinary union in Nevada. People are reporting this as just being anti-Bernie and somewhat anti-Warren. But it’s also pro Klobuchar! And not as positive on Biden or Buttigieg.

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/sta...408702467?s=21

Look closely: they are putting their considerable weight behind Amy! I expect they will make the official endorsement announcement soon, but even if not: this could be the tipping point that she will be able to look back at: “this made me president”.

It might even mean that behind-the-scenes the entire Democratic establishment is lining up everything they can behind her as their horse to back the rest of the way. But even if it’s just in Nevada, that’s huge. A win there could catapult her to South Carolina and beyond.


Apparently she had this in her back pocket even before the debate?!? But I guess if she flamed out in New Hampshire they could still pivot and endorse someone else without having officially committed. Very clever.

I wonder if Carville, Axelrod, and/or Begala are behind this somehow. Maybe Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton, even Barack Obama through subtle signaling to his people? Fuck yeah, The Establishment Strikes Back!
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amy is top 3 with me. i reckon on an amy-cory ticket being a winning one.

my other 2 are elizabeth and pete, i figured on eliz. going with castro as a running mate; still not sure who would pair with pete.
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I'm rooting for Amy!

I don't think she's "super" or even particularly charismatic. But each of the front-runners except for Klobuchar (and Biden) has severe electability problems.

(What's the obsession with positions on the issues? Any of the D's will issue executive orders to reverse much of Trump's damage and seek a progressive path. But legislation will be at the mercy of Moscow Mitch and/or the most conservative Democratic Senator. Much more important than a POTUS' stance on domestic issues is: will she/he be level-headed in the face of geopolitical crisis? Among the front-runners it is Bernie that gives me grave misgivings there.)
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I mean, not terrible but I seriously doubt she becomes the nominee unless both Biden and Buttigieg drop out before her, and I don't see that happening.
Her goal may be to get enough delegates and have Bernie and Pete close enough that it is a contested convention and she is the compromise candidate.

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Yeah, that bothers me quite a bit too.

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Over the course of the 2017-2018 congressional session, Klobuchar voted to confirm nearly two-thirds of Trump’s judicial nominees that came up for a vote, far outpacing every other Democratic senator currently seeking the nomination.
Also her treatment of staff does bother me. I think the democratic voters, as the party of the working and middle class, know what its like to have an abusive, disrespectful boss and she gives off a lot of those vibes. I think she reminds a lot of people of a bad boss they've had based on her treatment of staffers. I don't know if it'll hurt her in a general election, but its something that would have to be considered. However so far it hasn't hurt her political career, but she probably hasn't undergone a lot of scrutiny either for it. If people can worry that Buttigiegs sexuality or Bernies socialism drives away voters, I wonder of Klobuchars mistreatment of those without power will drive away people in a party full of workers who know what its like to have an abusive boss.
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Holy shit, Klobuchar is getting the backing of the extremely powerful culinary union in Nevada. People are reporting this as just being anti-Bernie and somewhat anti-Warren. But it’s also pro Klobuchar! And not as positive on Biden or Buttigieg.

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/sta...408702467?s=21

Look closely: they are putting their considerable weight behind Amy! I expect they will make the official endorsement announcement soon, but even if not: this could be the tipping point that she will be able to look back at: “this made me president”.

It might even mean that behind-the-scenes the entire Democratic establishment is lining up everything they can behind her as their horse to back the rest of the way. But even if it’s just in Nevada, that’s huge. A win there could catapult her to South Carolina and beyond.


Apparently she had this in her back pocket even before the debate?!? But I guess if she flamed out in New Hampshire they could still pivot and endorse someone else without having officially committed. Very clever.

I wonder if Carville, Axelrod, and/or Begala are behind this somehow. Maybe Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton, even Barack Obama through subtle signaling to his people? Fuck yeah, The Establishment Strikes Back!
I think this scenario is the only one where she has any realistic shot of winning. She has anemic polling numbers and very little money. Unless the establishment quickly decide to line up behind her in a big way, a third place finish in New Hampshire isn't enough to make her a contender.
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(What's the obsession with positions on the issues?)
Yep.

I will say that I like her quite a bit, and think she is the one who really sounds the most passionate about becoming president, even over Sanders. On more than one occasion, going back to previous debates, she seemed on the verge of tears when talking about what she wants to do as president. She could stop talking about how many elections she has won, and I wouldn't complain. "Passion" is an overused term that people describes themselves with, but this is the kind of thing that goes a long way to winning elections.

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Minnesota politicians are like pot roast. They can be pretty good, but they tend to be gray and it is hard to get inspired by them. Of course it's also the state that elected Jesse Ventura as governor, so we don't always order off the menu.
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Also her treatment of staff does bother me.
Meh. That's the sort of story that is going to be told about many politicians If you like the politician, it shows that they are a hard-driving boss, won't accept anything but the best, yadda yadda. If you don't, it shows they are an asshole.
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What's the obsession with positions on the issues?
No offense, I hope, but "I don't care about the issues as long as it isn't the other guy" is a good deal of the reason why John Kerry isn't referred to as "former President".

"S/he's not Trump" doesn't even do much to distinguish a candidate in the Democratic primaries - none of them are Trump either.

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I think I've made my position on her clear for the past few months but if not I am on the record as voting for her in the general over Trump. Please Dems do your job and make her the nominee.
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Also her treatment of staff does bother me. I think the democratic voters, as the party of the working and middle class, know what its like to have an abusive, disrespectful boss and she gives off a lot of those vibes.
I don't know if you read different stories than I have but to me a lot of those say more about the likability penalty
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In other words, if she were a man the way she treats her staff would be seen as presidential material.
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I don't know if you read different stories than I have but to me a lot of those say more about the likability penalty

In other words, if she were a man the way she treats her staff would be seen as presidential material.
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The "hardass boss" stuff could easily be twisted into a useful campaign message -- "Yes, I demand high standards among my staff. And I'm not going to stop that -- this job is too important. I will demand the highest standards to my staff when I'm working for the American people as President, and I won't hesitate to let go of anyone who isn't meeting that standard." Or something like that.
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The "hardass boss" stuff could easily be twisted into a useful campaign message -- "Yes, I demand high standards among my staff. And I'm not going to stop that -- this job is too important. I will demand the highest standards to my staff when I'm working for the American people as President, and I won't hesitate to let go of anyone who isn't meeting that standard." Or something like that.
She comes across as neurotic and abusive, hardly positive traits in a leader. She also drove away a variety of people who didn't want to manage her campaign because of it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...t-says-n974746


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The episode happened in 2008 while the lawmaker was traveling with aides to South Carolina and a staffer bought a salad for Klobuchar while carrying bags through the airport, The New York Times reported.

However, the aide forgot utensils and the flight had none on board, prompting Klobuchar to berate the aide and pull a comb from her bag to eat the salad, the paper reported citing four people familiar with the episode. Klobuchar then directed the aide to clean the comb after she had finished.
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She has a pretty successful senate history, I suspect Stalin Mitch would find her a much more formidable opponent than the mayor of South Bend.
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I like Amy. She's one of my senators, and i was there when she announced she was running (that outdoor rally in the blizzard was about 2 blocks from my apartment).

She seems to legitimately get things done in the Senate, and while she isn't the most "exciting" candidate, she has a certain electability in that while there are many conservatives that will 100% hold their nose and vote for Trump against Bernie or Warren (i suspect mostly because of backlash against their virtue signaling - and OMG SOCIALISM), a moderate like Klobuchar that actual gets things done for all Americans can possibly make them consider voting Democrat when Trump is the alternative.
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I like Amy. She's one of my senators, and i was there when she announced she was running (that outdoor rally in the blizzard was about 2 blocks from my apartment).

She seems to legitimately get things done in the Senate, and while she isn't the most "exciting" candidate, she has a certain electability in that while there are many conservatives that will 100% hold their nose and vote for Trump against Bernie or Warren (i suspect mostly because of backlash against their virtue signaling - and OMG SOCIALISM), a moderate like Klobuchar that actual gets things done for all Americans can possibly make them consider voting Democrat when Trump is the alternative.
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Can you give examples of these things she has gotten done in the Senate?

Have these allegations of her being an abusive boss come up in previous campaigns? I'd imagine Minnesotans would be among the least likely voters in the country to excuse that sort of behavior.
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She comes across as neurotic and abusive, hardly positive traits in a leader. She also drove away a variety of people who didn't want to manage her campaign because of it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...t-says-n974746
Maybe, or maybe it's sour grapes from disgruntled ex-staffers. I don't really care (and Bernie is my first choice anyway) -- I'm just pointing out how the political messaging could spin this.
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Not an Amy fan, but the amount of attention given to this stuff feels really gendered.
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Those diverse and centrist Biden supporters in Nevada and SC looking for someone else to vote for now that Biden collapsed aren’t going to Buttigieg and Bloomberg ain’t on the ballot. She is now an option.

So long as she does okay in the next debate she should do well in these next two. Which deflates Buttigieg’s ascent. And gives Bloomberg his Super Tuesday shot. Meanwhile Sanders gets his 30ish percent.
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Can you give examples of these things she has gotten done in the Senate?

Have these allegations of her being an abusive boss come up in previous campaigns? I'd imagine Minnesotans would be among the least likely voters in the country to excuse that sort of behavior.
1. Here's a link with information on the bills she has sponsored that were enacted, (34 have been enacted). Gov Track

And here's a link to the press release regarding analysis of GovTrack data that ranked her 1st in the Senate in 2016 in working accross the aisle to get bipartisan bills passed. Press Release There are details for some of the acts here, and what they accomplish, and who she worked with.

2. I'd never heard of these allegations until the presidential run. I don't really give them a second thought, though I've only lived in Minnesota for 12.5 years, so maybe i'm not yet a typical Minnesotan as you imagine them. Also , it seems to me these would be seen as a non-issue for a male candidate (if not a positive).

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In her partial defense, not every appointment has been terrible. I, myself, even supported one I knew from the District Court bench being elevated to the Court of Appeals.

I will agree that many nominees have been horrific. Reading the linked article, I would have preferred she voted "no" more often. In my mind (and the judiciary is crucial to my livelihood) this is an "area for improvement," and not a disqualification.
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Those diverse and centrist Biden supporters in Nevada and SC looking for someone else to vote for now that Biden collapsed aren’t going to Buttigieg and Bloomberg ain’t on the ballot. She is now an option.

So long as she does okay in the next debate she should do well in these next two. Which deflates Buttigieg’s ascent. And gives Bloomberg his Super Tuesday shot. Meanwhile Sanders gets his 30ish percent.
And why do you not think they’d go to Buttigieg? Amy has a 3rd place, Pete has a first and a very strong second as well as the delegate lead. Why not back a winner?
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Can you give examples of these things she has gotten done in the Senate?
She led the fight to keep pizza sauce a vegetable (cite). To be fair, she is from Minnesota, where lutefisk is considered a vegetable.
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Klobuchar has been openly criticized for her management style going back as early as 2002, when she served as the chief prosecutor for Hennepin County in Minnesota.

One local chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) union — which represented many attorneys employed by Klobuchar's office — requested that the union not endorse her 2006 Senate bid over her treatment of aides and prosecutors in the office, according to a letter reported on by the Huffington Post.

The letter charged that Klobuchar "created a hostile work environment" for employees, "refused to support their efforts for a fair wage adjustment" and "severely damaged the morale of the office."
Cite.

She has the highest staff turnover rate in the Senate.

Again, her supporters will spin this as either that she is a demanding boss, and that criticisms of her management style are sexist, and those making the accusations say it is real and not based on her gender. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer cherce.

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I'm from Minnesota and the positions and attitudes of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party* have always resonated with me, from Hubert Humphrey and Gene McCarthy to Walter Mondale. I didn't have any expectations for Amy until last night, but I can support her now.


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She and I were at New Haven together in the same graduating class of 1982. We were both in Jonathan Edwards College, the smallest of the residential colleges, only about a hundred students.

...and I don’t remember her at ALL.
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She still seems like quite a long shot. But IMO she probably has the "safest" chance of beating Trump in the general. There are a lot of voters in swing states that don't really want to vote for Trump, but couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton. It's still very unclear to me that they would vote for Bernie or Pete. But I bet a lot of them would vote for Amy (particularly in MI, WI, PA, even OH).

So basically she's the new Biden, without the apparent lack of fire and odd campaign soundbites. The question is how does she navigate a very crowded moderate lane against Pete, Biden, and the big-spending Bloomberg heading into Super Tuesday. I agree with the comment up-thread that the only way to do it is for some big hitters to come out supporting her. A Biden drop-out and endorsement after Nevada and SC would help, but of course Biden has his final eggs in those baskets.
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I heard on a podcast that she outright won the most votes among college-educated voters. That's pretty interesting, as this is the group that has shifted toward Democrats in the wake of Trump's election, and were key to winning the House in 2018.
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She also won voters over 45.
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And why do you not think they’d go to Buttigieg? Amy has a 3rd place, Pete has a first and a very strong second as well as the delegate lead. Why not back a winner?
Diverse is the key word there. There's lots of reasonable hypotheses for why Buttigieg has failed to make any connection with voters of, well any color at all, but it is not for lack of trying or lack of exposure.

Mind you, Klobuchar has no support there either so far. But she at least can claim to not yet had her swing at winning them over, and does not give quite the same appearance and sense of white privilege that Buttigieg does. And while I am a bit loathe to go simplistically to identity politics, Black voters en masse have demonstrated a past willingness to vote for a woman (Clinton), but not for a gay man. A major portion of the reliable Black voter bloc is dominated by what some of the CNN panel referred to as "the church hat ladies" ... Honestly if the GOP wasn't so overtly racist they could win a good chunk of the Black vote based on social issues compatibility. Klobuchar is of the bunch (plummeting Biden; a hard progressive; a gay man; and a centrist Midwestern woman) possibly the least poor choice.
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Amy Klobuchar isn’t exactly the brightest bulb. Pretty stupid of her to go on a Telemundo interview in the Southwest and not know the president of Mexico. Not exactly a ‘gotcha’ question like the president of Guinea-Bissau.
https://www.telemundo.com/noticias/2...lo-tmna3696502

Steyer didn’t know either, naturally Pete Buttigieg did.
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Amy Klobuchar isn’t exactly the brightest bulb. Pretty stupid of her to go on a Telemundo interview in the Southwest and not know the president of Mexico. Not exactly a ‘gotcha’ question like the president of Guinea-Bissau.
https://www.telemundo.com/noticias/2...lo-tmna3696502

Steyer didn’t know either, naturally Pete Buttigieg did.
I can forgive that.

She was on Bill Maher last night and did fairly well.
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I can forgive that.

She was on Bill Maher last night and did fairly well.
I've seen her on his show recently and wasn't overwhelmed. She strikes me as the least interesting candidate in the entire Dem field. An absolute sleeping pill. Even that loon Marianne was more interesting. I'll have another look and try to keep an open mind.
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I've seen her on his show recently and wasn't overwhelmed. She strikes me as the least interesting candidate in the entire Dem field. An absolute sleeping pill. Even that loon Marianne was more interesting. I'll have another look and try to keep an open mind.
She was better last night than the previous appearance. She is certainly less interesting than most. For me, that's a plus. I long for an uninteresting president. Just go to work, do your job, and stay off twitter. I don't need anything but a return to normalcy, decency, and honesty. She has all that. Not my first pick currently, but I'd feel fine if she wins it all. (I do think she'd beat Trump in the industrial mid-west)
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She also drove away a variety of people who didn't want to manage her campaign because of it.
One of my concerns with a Klobuchar presidency is constant staff turnover—a new Chief of Staff every six weeks, a new National Security Advisor every few months, etc. On a positive note, she probably wouldn't be tweeting insults at people after they leave.

My state holds its primary on Super Tuesday and I've been planning to vote for Biden, but if he does poorly in Nevada and SC, I'll probably switch to Amy.
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I can forgive that.

She was on Bill Maher last night and did fairly well.
I can’t. Not knowing the name of the President of
Mexico as a sitting US senator who was just working on the free trade agreement.
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In her partial defense, not every appointment has been terrible. I, myself, even supported one I knew from the District Court bench being elevated to the Court of Appeals.

I will agree that many nominees have been horrific. Reading the linked article, I would have preferred she voted "no" more often. In my mind (and the judiciary is crucial to my livelihood) this is an "area for improvement," and not a disqualification.
Interesting...I'll have another look but my first reaction is not to go for the person I need to pretzel myself to like in lieu of someone I do like.

To be clear though, I'd happily vote for Klobuchar in the general election if she wins the nomination (emphasis on "happily"). She is just not my first choice in the primary.
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I'm coming around to her by process of elimination. Biden looks like he needs his embalming fluid topped off, Bloomberg may have enough skeletons in his closet to open his own anatomy class, Sanders is going to be bludgeoned with hammers and sickles if he gets the nomination, Warren seems to be fading, and I'm not sure if the US is ready to vote for a gay man with little experience. Amy is like a bowl of vanilla ice cream- pleasantly bland but not exciting. I'm starting to think she's exactly what we need after four years of tweetosaurus.
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I heard on a podcast that she outright won the most votes among college-educated voters. That's pretty interesting, as this is the group that has shifted toward Democrats in the wake of Trump's election, and were key to winning the House in 2018.
I heard this too. I guess a lot of them left Warren and Biden to become Klobuchar voters.
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I can’t. Not knowing the name of the President of
Mexico as a sitting US senator who was just working on the free trade agreement.
I can.

President's name might seem important to you, but it might seem irrelevant to others. When she was "working on the free trade agreement" was she negotiating with the President personally?

Are you worried her IQ is on the low side? She "was valedictorian at Wayzata High School [and] received her Bachelor of Arts magna cum laude in political science in 1982 from Yale University."

Were you also worried when Obama seemed to think there were 58 states?
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...Sanders is going to be bludgeoned with hammers and sickles if he gets the nomination...
Do you know Sanders polls way better than anyone else in a match-up against Trump?
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Do you know Sanders polls way better than anyone else in a match-up against Trump?
Is that why a lot of South Carolina Republicans are going to be voting for Bernie in the primary? If we put this guy on top of the ticket, we not only don't get the Senate, we lose the House too.
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Is that why a lot of South Carolina Republicans are going to be voting for Bernie in the primary? If we put this guy on top of the ticket, we not only don't get the Senate, we lose the House too.
SC is one state:

- General Election: Trump vs. Sanders

I have no idea where you are getting losing the senate (which dems do not have now and are very unlikely to get in 2020) and also losing the House (after AOC rocked the political landscape by beating one of the most powerful congressman).
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