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Old 02-19-2020, 08:56 AM
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MLB 2020 Spring training thread starts here


Just two days away. It has been a long wait.

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And I’m so glad to finally get baseball rather than the damn sign stealing.

As of right now, I’m paying strong attention to the NL Eaat which seems the strongest division, but I’ll also be watching a lot of Angels games adding Rendon makes things very interesting for them.
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And Iím so glad to finally get baseball rather than the damn sign stealing.

As of right now, Iím paying strong attention to the NL Eaat which seems the strongest division, but Iíll also be watching a lot of Angels games adding Rendon makes things very interesting for them.
(Insert pic of me virtually protesting outside the Red Sox training grounds as they labor to now trade away their CFer.)

JBJ...who as i love to play with endpoints...has out WARed Bryce Harper the last four years
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Goddamn Shitballs. Luis Severino to have Tommy John surgery. Please don't be a replay of 2019; I just want to see the whole team healthy at the same time. Just for one season.
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Not an Astros fan, but shouldn't that pain be reserved for players who played while the sign stealing occured? Recent acquisitions and rookies should not suffer the same as the actual cheaters.

Also players who played on the Astros who cheated but are now on other teams should also receive that pain.
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Goddamn Shitballs. Luis Severino to have Tommy John surgery. Please don't be a replay of 2019; I just want to see the whole team healthy at the same time. Just for one season.
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Yeah, Severino going down probably for the whole year sucks. Worried about Judge, I suspect his shoulder is worse than they let on. But what pisses me off most about the year so far are the fucking Nike swooshes on the front of everybody's jersey. How long before MLB goes full NASCAR and the team logo gets lost in all the advertising?
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Itís a miracle but it looks like my cable company is carrying the new Cubs network on digital cable but not at a special tier.

I was sure they were going to squeeze me.
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Yeah, Severino going down probably for the whole year sucks. Worried about Judge, I suspect his shoulder is worse than they let on. But what pisses me off most about the year so far are the fucking Nike swooshes on the front of everybody's jersey. How long before MLB goes full NASCAR and the team logo gets lost in all the advertising?
Severino is out and may even miss part of next season. Judge will be OK but Stanton might have a minimal year again. On the bright side, Andujar is looking good in Left so far, Frazier is looking better in the field, plenty of kid pitchers to hold the rotation together until the early June reinforcements of German & Paxton return. Voit & Ford are looking good at the plate.
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Severino is out and may even miss part of next season. Judge will be OK but Stanton might have a minimal year again. On the bright side, Andujar is looking good in Left so far, Frazier is looking better in the field, plenty of kid pitchers to hold the rotation together until the early June reinforcements of German & Paxton return. Voit & Ford are looking good at the plate.
I think Clarke Schmidt has a shot to be an outstanding pitcher. I only saw a couple innings of his work but I thought his stuff was electric. Deivi Garcia also shows a lot of promise. Honestly I've given up on Stanton, I think it's time to put Frazier in left full time and see what he can do. For Andujar, his best position is DH.
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I think Clarke Schmidt has a shot to be an outstanding pitcher. I only saw a couple innings of his work but I thought his stuff was electric. Deivi Garcia also shows a lot of promise. Honestly I've given up on Stanton, I think it's time to put Frazier in left full time and see what he can do. For Andujar, his best position is DH.
You can't give up on Stanton, you have to do something with him when he's healthy, and he belongs to the Yankees pretty much for the rest of his career.

Incidentally, am I the only one who doesn't care about the Nike swooshes? I don't like ads on uniforms in principle, but at this point the Nike swoosh is such a common thing I don't really see it anymore.
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About the swoosh.

In MLB, it is positioned high on the undershirt to make it visible with the uniform. And it is on almost every player.

Who gets the reward? The player, club, league or everyone? Because it isn't on every player, did that player turn down the cash, or is they making a statement?

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If a player isn't wearing the swoosh it's probably because they have an endorsement contract with another company.
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The Nike swoosh will be on the front of every single MLB uniform jersey in 2020. It's a ten year deal that will net each team about $3 million per. Yeah, it's shit.
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One thing I've always liked about American sports and hated about Euro sports is how the soccer teams' jerseys are basically just billboards. Oh well.
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MLB uniforms have borne corporate logos for some time now. This is the most prominent yet but it's not a new thing in general.

European soccer uniforms are just on another level entirely, where they don't even bear the name of the team, so it appears as if the guy is playing for Chevrolet or Emirates Airlines.

MLB (and pro sports in general) is panicked about attendance flatlining, so they are doing what businesses always do when new customers aren't showing up; trying to get more money from existing customers. Share of wallet, so to speak. You can expect more of this shit.
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Eagerly anticipating the next season-ending Yoenis Cespedes injury.

What will it be this time? A catastrophic zipline break? Attack by rabid chihuahuas?

My money's on a head-on outfield collision with the utterly useless Tim Tebow.

At least the Mets have a surfeit of sort-of competent outfielders.

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The Tim Tebow thing just continues to mystify me. The Mets - even the METS - know he will never be a competent professional baseball player. WTF is going on?
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The Tim Tebow thing just continues to mystify me. The Mets - even the METS - know he will never be a competent professional baseball player. WTF is going on?
It in theory brings in some extra fans {paying customers} to their spring training games. They feel it is making them money and some free publicity. They have no self-awareness when it comes to embarrassing themselves so no problem there.
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Eagerly anticipating the next season-ending Yoenis Cespedes injury.

What will it be this time? A catastrophic zipline break? Attack by rabid chihuahuas?

My money's on a head-on outfield collision with the utterly useless Tim Tebow.

At least the Mets have a surfeit of sort-of competent outfielders.
I'm pretty sure no one has ever come back from surgery on both heels at the same time (well a couple of months apart), but what about just one heel? Any precedent in MLB? Because it is believed that his problems with his legs were caused by the problems in his heels. In any case not counting on him this year, but he is looking good in the clips I have seen.
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The Tim Tebow thing just continues to mystify me. The Mets - even the METS - know he will never be a competent professional baseball player. WTF is going on?
Youíd think by now the novelty would have worn off. Iíd think his teammates would be angry thatís heís taking playing time and a minor league slot away from legitimate players.
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Been really enjoying the Spring games. Folks auditioning for a leap into the big leagues.

You folks get out. More than I. Seeing Spring training games have always been on my bucket list. And I am sure some of you have been there. What is it like? Being up close and personal with the games stars? Ballpark food any good?
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Been really enjoying the Spring games. Folks auditioning for a leap into the big leagues.

You folks get out. More than I. Seeing Spring training games have always been on my bucket list. And I am sure some of you have been there. What is it like? Being up close and personal with the games stars? Ballpark food any good?
Iíve been to spring training in both AZ and FL. Probably wonít be going again anytime soon. It used to be cheap and fun, itís expensive as fuck now with prices almost at MLB level.

Arizona used to be good since the ballparks were relatively close, now theyíre scattered into far off suburbs.

But, in the good old days, I found myself taking a leak right next to Tommy Lasorda. And I stood next to Sparky Anderson as he smoked a Winston and we got to talk for a half inning.
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Been really enjoying the Spring games. Folks auditioning for a leap into the big leagues.

You folks get out. More than I. Seeing Spring training games have always been on my bucket list. And I am sure some of you have been there. What is it like? Being up close and personal with the games stars? Ballpark food any good?
I just got back from spring training in Arizona on Saturday. I made it out to 4 games in 4 parks. The experience varies wildly. My parents got there a day early, and headed to the Royals game early to try to catch batting practice. They didn't see much, but did get to chat a little with Rex Hudler, the color commentator for the local TV broadcasts, who they love.

As for ticket prices, do NOT purchase tickets from the stadium unless you're getting a high-demand game (like the Dodgers-Giants game). A Royals-Rockies 1:00pm game on a Thursday set me back $14 on StubHub 10 minutes before first pitch, and I was 5 rows behind the catcher. But the Dodgers-Giants game was $35/ticket. It all completely depends. The Friday afternoon game was pretty full, and I imagine weekend tickets aren't at much of a discount. There are very few bad seats in any of the stadiums. Both Camelback (Dodgers/White Sox facility) and Salt River Fields (Diamondbacks/Rockies facility) are top-notch stadiums, and I recommend visiting them. I didn't get to go to the Reds/Indians, Cubs, Brewers, As, or Angels stadiums.

But it was a lot of fun, and I recommend it. If there's a team you follow, go there - batting practice is open in the morning, and it's cool being in the area. We didn't get to see many stars (to be fair, the Royals don't HAVE many stars these days), but I recognized a number of minor league names that should be moving through the system soon. My uncle went to the Dodgers practice a couple times, and managed to hawk some balls and see some of their stars (which they have in spades).

The gameplay is also a mixed bag. Every team is required to have at least 4 regular season players on the lineup card, but that quickly changes by the 4th inning.
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MLB just announced that they are delaying Opening Day by at least two weeks.
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MLB just announced that they are delaying Opening Day by at least two weeks.
I was expecting something like this. Buys them time to keep evaluating the situation. It was either delay or play at empty stadiums. The NBA's incident with a player getting the Coronavirus probably convinced them to not play.

How do they stay ready for the season though? Extended Spring Training doesn't really reduce the risk to players vs. playing the games at empty stadiums.
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Evidently no organized Spring Training, either.
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Huh, this doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. Its not like players are that close together unless we're talking about the first baseman with a runner on first. and even then they are outside in the sun so it's about a safe as any two people could be. The dugout is obviously worse but it seems like that is still manageable.

Either way this is going to be a weird season.
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Its not like players are that close together unless we're talking about the first baseman with a runner on first. and even then they are outside in the sun so it's about a safe as any two people could be. The dugout is obviously worse but it seems like that is still manageable.
Locker rooms (especially in spring training facilities with lots of additional players who won't be on the Major League roster on Opening Day), showers, contact with athletic trainers and masseurs, etc.
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Locker rooms (especially in spring training facilities with lots of additional players who won't be on the Major League roster on Opening Day), showers, contact with athletic trainers and masseurs, etc.
Right but the spring training facilities and extra players could both be solved by ending spring training and have nothing to do with delaying the season. Contact with trainers and masseurs has more to do with team policies. They could certainly institute the same policies that healthcare providers are using to prevent the spread of disease and honestly they could probably do more then your local hospital.

If anything more people are going to be infected in the next month and things will get worse. I get not having fans but at this point they are more likely to cancel the season in a month then say sure its ok to get the players back together.
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The rest of MLB spring training has been canceled and the start of regular season has been delayed by at least two weeks.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...virus-concerns
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Huh, this doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. Its not like players are that close together unless we're talking about the first baseman with a runner on first. and even then they are outside in the sun so it's about a safe as any two people could be. The dugout is obviously worse but it seems like that is still manageable.
The fans are sure close together though. And the locker room is a great way to share germs.

Perhaps more importantly, holding games encouraged travel. Fans fly to spring training games and regular season games. Cancelling games is good for social distancing. This was a smart, safe move, and it would look bad for MLB to stubbornly push ahead when pretty much every other sport is willing to take a financial hit for public safety.

I love baseball more than I can possibly explain. It is literally the most enjoyable thing in my life after my family. But this delay doesn't bother me at all, not even a little bit, on a personal level. (It is a shame that some working class people will lose paychecks, that sucks.) I am one hundred percent okay with Opening Day being delayed for the sake of slowing down COVID-19. Hell, start up on May 1. Play a 130-game season.
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Just to be clear I get not having fans at the games and I think that makes a ton of sense. I just see a difference between two guys battling for a rebound and breathing on each other and a batter and catcher standing several feet away in bright sunlight.

Team travel does bring up an interesting point because even in the most luxurious of private jets they are close and confined so I could see it spreading through a team more likely than between teams.

Slightly related I'm surprised movies are delaying their opening rather than going straight to streaming release it seems like they could catch a large segment of the market stuck in their house with nothing to do.
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So for opening day and beyond while we await the season, a list of movies to tide of over?

Bull Durham
Eight Men Out
Field of Dreams
A League of their Own
Major League
Pride of the Yankees
Bad News Bears (original)
Sand Lot
The Natural
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Mr. 3000 (OK, not that great but following the number theme)
The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars & Motor Kings
Damn Yankees
The Life and Times of Hank Greenberg

As you get more desperate:
Both Angels in the Outfield.
Take me Out to the Ball Game (Gene Kelly & Sinatra)
It Happens Every Spring
Fear Strikes Out
Bang the Drum Slowly
Summer Catch
Cobb
The Babe
The Babe Ruth Story
Everyone's Hero
The Slugger's Wife
The Scout
Any other Bad News Bears but the original, none were really good while the original was great.
The Winning Team See Ronald Reagan as Grover Cleveland Alexander, or don't, it really isn't a good movie.



For now, the speech from Field of Dreams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SB16il97yw

Also Babe Ruth on Baseball in his farewell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=CGThVd9sInU
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You know this baseball game of ours comes up from the youth. That means the boys.
And after you're a boy and grow up to know how to play ball, then you come to the boys you see representing themselves today in your national pastime, the only real game -- I think -- in the world, baseball.

As a rule, some people think if you give them a football, or a baseball, or something like that -- naturally they're athletes right away.

But you can't do that in baseball.

You've gotta start from way down [at] the bottom, when you're six or seven years of age. You can't wait until you're fifteen or sixteen. You gotta let it grow up with you. And if you're successful, and you try hard enough, you're bound to come out on top -- just like these boys have come to the top now.
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So for opening day and beyond while we await the season, a list of movies to tide of over?

Bull Durham
Eight Men Out
Field of Dreams
A League of their Own
Major League
Pride of the Yankees
Bad News Bears (original)
Sand Lot
The Natural
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Mr. 3000 (OK, not that great but following the number theme)
The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars & Motor Kings
Damn Yankees
The Life and Times of Hank Greenberg
Mr. Baseball - Selleck's character is basically Joe Pepitone until he assimilates into the culture.
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As you get more desperate:
Both Angels in the Outfield.
Take me Out to the Ball Game (Gene Kelly & Sinatra)
It Happens Every Spring
Fear Strikes Out
Bang the Drum Slowly
Summer Catch
Cobb
The Babe
The Babe Ruth Story
Everyone's Hero
The Slugger's Wife
The Scout
Any other Bad News Bears but the original, none were really good while the original was great.
The Winning Team See Ronald Reagan as Grover Cleveland Alexander, or don't, it really isn't a good movie.
Major League sequels.
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Mr. Baseball - Selleck's character is basically Joe Pepitone until he assimilates into the culture.

Major League sequels.
I never realized Pepitone was the inspiration for Mr. Baseball. Honestly, I'm a little young for Pep and know him from Old Timers games and bringing a hair dryer or something into the locker room in his playing days. So many great Yankees, Pep largely remains a minor footnote to me. I know more about Frank Crosetti.

The Major League sequels are worthy additions to the second tier movies. Thanks.
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I've read a bit about Pep in Japan; Jack Elliot's initial behavior captures his mentality perfectly, right down to forgetting to duck when going through doorways.

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Bang the Drum Slowly
Bang the Drum Slowly is a great movie. I guess you could say it's not a great "baseball" movie, but it's one of my favorite movies. If you haven't seen it, seek it out!

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Bang the Drum Slowly is a great movie. I guess you could say it's not a great "baseball" movie, but it's one of my favorite movies. If you haven't seen it, seek it out!
I have seen it, it is a very good drama but not great for a baseball fix. The cast is great though. A virtually unknown De Niro among many others. It really is worth a watch.
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I'll add the following movies to your list:

The Rookie (2002): It's Disneyfied, but this based-on-a-true-story movie is well told. It's in my top 5 of baseball movies.
Bad News Bears in Breaking Training (1977): This is the 2nd movie, where they get to play in the Astrodome. It's not as good as the original, but it's actually pretty damn close.
Moneyball: Honestly, I'll watch anything with Philip Seymour Hoffman. I don't know how they told that story of the Oakland As without even mentioning Miguel Tejada, but they did!
Trouble With the Curve: Just kidding - this movie is garbage.
Sugar (2008): A great story about a minor leaguer from Central America. Very good.
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Moneyball: Honestly, I'll watch anything with Philip Seymour Hoffman. I don't know how they told that story of the Oakland As without even mentioning Miguel Tejada, but they did!
Didn't they also neglect to mention that they had Zito, Hudson and Mulder? Maybe the best starting trio in MLB that season?
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I would add Rookie of the Year to the if-you're-desperate list. Under no circumstances would I rewatch Major League: Back to the Minors, though.
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I would add Rookie of the Year to the if-you're-desperate list. Under no circumstances would I rewatch Major League: Back to the Minors, though.
I agree on both.
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I would add Rookie of the Year to the if-you're-desperate list.
And Little Big League.
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Old 03-13-2020, 06:16 PM
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Thank you for the baseball flicks.

I searched Netflix for the drum beater. Don't have it. But they gave these selections:

Weeds on Fire. (Chinese)
Hope, one in a million
Screwball
Battered Bastards of Baseball

Haven't seen any. How 'bout you players?
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Old 03-13-2020, 06:22 PM
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Thank you for the baseball flicks.

I searched Netflix for the drum beater. Don't have it. But they gave these selections:

Weeds on Fire. (Chinese)
Hope, one in a million
Screwball
Battered Bastards of Baseball

Haven't seen any. How 'bout you players?
Battered Bastards of Baseball was interesting. Might give a good second tier baseball fix.

Screwball, I didn't make it through. Wait, I'm thinking about a doc about Tim Wakefield, it looks like this is something else.
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Old 03-13-2020, 10:11 PM
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Battered Bastards of Baseball was interesting. Might give a good second tier baseball fix.
Especially for fans of Kurt Russell.
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Didn't they also neglect to mention that they had Zito, Hudson and Mulder? Maybe the best starting trio in MLB that season?
Besides Tejada and the big three starters, the book and movie barely mention Eric Chavez either. The five best players on the team that year by WAR, and by pretty much any other measure you;d care to name. But they didn't fit the narrative...If I didn't know better I'd think the A's were successful that year because of Scott Hatteberg and Ricardo Rincon.
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