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Nominates, yes. Garland wasn't confirmed. Nothing incorrect about that.
Correct. And the GOP had the votes to block his confirmation. Which they should of, instead of allowing Mitch to be a bitch about it.

If the GOp had simply raised questions and voted Nay, this wouldn't be a issue.
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Technically incorrect. No President (or political Party) is owed a seat on the SCOTUS.
That makes too little sense to agree or disagree with.
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Correct. And the GOP had the votes to block his confirmation. Which they should of, instead of allowing Mitch to be a bitch about it.

If the GOp had simply raised questions and voted Nay, this wouldn't be a issue.
Why would it be an issue? The Constitution doesn't have any provisions for Senate hearings, or even the existence of a Judiciary Committee.
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Why would you even give him a chance to derail? Show some goddamn self restraint.
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If Bernie doesn’t secure the nomination, but Biden does so and then wins the presidency, why couldn’t Bernie (sitting US Senator) vow to put his proposals on President Biden’s desk as bills ready for signature?

If the answer has something to do with Bernie’s inability to get those proposals out of Congress, why should we expect anything different if he did, in fact, get the nomination and win the Presidency?

(From my understanding of Bernie and his supporters, the solution has something to do with the enthusiasm of young people. But I’m still fuzzy on the details).
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That makes too little sense to agree or disagree with.
The amount of bad faith gaslighting regarding the theft of Garland's seat is impressive. It does not take a rocket scientist to suss out why so many Democrats do not consider Neil Gorsuch to be a legitimate SCOTUS Justice or why many are increasingly viewing the institution itself as illegitimate.

But that points to another issue with Biden: he will not do anything to ameliorate the SCOTUS theft or Democrats' broader judicial dilemmas. Note that Bernie too has come out against Court-packing proposals, but at least Sanders has endorsed reforms that would cause SCOTUS Justices to cycle across random panels.

In a sense, Biden is just a hopeless adherent to kumbaya politics, and all that will lead to is Democrats' continued unilateral surrender in the face of escalating Republican radicalization.
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I think he means between Biden and Sanders, not between either one of them and Trump.
If he votes Warren instead of the Dem candidate, he might as well be voting for trump.
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Why would it be an issue? The Constitution doesn't have any provisions for Senate hearings, or even the existence of a Judiciary Committee.

This is a hijack, but the Constitution sez: "The President....shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate,... and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, ...judges of the Supreme Court...."

No "advice" was given. Now, it likely was Constitutional, but there was no reason other than being a dick waving asshole for Moscow Mitch to do it the way he did. They could have had a hearing, asked questions, and voted Nay.

Now, can we get back to the issue here, we have hashed this out a dozen times.
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But that points to another issue with Biden: he will not do anything to ameliorate the SCOTUS theft or Democrats' broader judicial dilemmas. Note that Bernie too has come out against Court-packing proposals, but at least Sanders has endorsed reforms that would cause SCOTUS Justices to cycle across random panels.
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Yeah, and that idea is craptastic, say legal experts:

https://reason.com/2020/02/12/bernie...almost-as-bad/

All Biden has to do is nominate good judges. If he has anything close to a 50/50 he can likely get one through, he knows where all the skeletons are buried- he likely helped bury some.
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In a sense, Biden is just a hopeless adherent to kumbaya politics, and all that will lead to is Democrats' continued unilateral surrender in the face of escalating Republican radicalization.
Let me ask you a question, Op- why do you support trump then?

Do you actually think trump is better than biden or sanders?
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If he votes Warren instead of the Dem candidate, he might as well be voting for trump.
Wasn’t he talking about the primary?
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Let me ask you a question, Op- why do you support trump then?

Do you actually think trump is better than biden or sanders?
I don't know how many times I have to say that I would vote for Biden as the Democratic nominee. I have even made clear that Sanders isn't 100% a preferable Biden alternative precisely *because* there are certain reforms that even Bernie would likely not pursue (Court-packing, filibuster abolition). Still, Sanders would draw a harder line in support of broader reforms and pursue them in a way that Biden never would.

My point is that a Biden presidency, even with full Democratic government control, would be an unsuccessful one that would accomplish none of its stated agenda. E.g., I keep bringing up Biden's position on enacting an ACA public option, which on paper would be a tremendous policy; but that policy proposal is completely irrelevant because Biden is incapable and unwilling to carry out the cutthroat tactics that would be required to pass such a policy in the face of GOP opposition. This idea of that being ok because Biden would just be a 'placeholder POTUS' is foolish thinking that will almost certainly induce future Democratic electoral wipeouts.

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But where is this "large pool of Democratic candidates?" Better yet, a pool of viable candidates who might get elected. Post-Obama, the Democrats have been unable to find anyone with experience, charisma and principles. Instead, in 2016 they put up Hillary, who is clearly not that popular with the electorate...
Quibble: Dems did not "put up Hillary"; she built a campaign machine that won her the most primary votes and delegates and thus the nomination. "Not that popular with the electorate"? She won the a substantial popular supermajority... that wasn't enough to take the rigged electoral game. In modern America, luzers win! What a system!

GOPs did not "put up" Tramp. He stomped their weaklings and took the nomination fair and square, by the rules - helped by much free media. Then he lost the election but won the game, by the rules. The game he himself said was rigged. What a guy!

What, a rigged game? 45% of the population, mostly in red states, control a majority of electoral votes. A candidate could win the White House with 23% of the popular vote. Convince me that represents "the will of the people".

Where is a "large pool of Democratic candidates?" You've seen some of them on TV. They aren't all old farts. But they haven't built sufficient operations. A campaign is more than the candidate; it's who they have to make things happen. Organization. That's in the "sausage-making" aspect of politics. Amateurs can't cook campaigns.

Back to topic. Biden would corral Dem senators while independent Bernie would not. Who would be less effective as President?
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No "advice" was given. Now, it likely was Constitutional, but there was no reason other than being a dick waving asshole for Moscow Mitch to do it the way he did. They could have had a hearing, asked questions, and voted Nay.
The Senate gave their advice, and it was "No". Sorry you didn't like it.
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I don't know how many times I have to say that I would vote for Biden as the Democratic nominee. I have even made clear that Sanders isn't 100% a preferable Biden alternative precisely *because* there are certain reforms that even Bernie would likely not pursue (Court-packing, filibuster abolition). Still, Sanders would draw a harder line in support of broader reforms and pursue them in a way that Biden never would.
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Since you continually attack Biden, I find that hard to believe.

There can be no good reason to attack the Democratic front runner so constantly and savagely unless you support trump.

Do you actually believe instead that these attacks on Biden will drive people to vote for Sanders? Since that clearly wont work and isnt working, exactly what are your goals with these attacks? All you are doing is helping trump win re-election. Since that is not your stated goal, then why?

I mean, "I will vote for Biden, but meanwhile here are more reasons why no one should vote for him" makes your motives a little suspect, dont they?

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This is a hijack, but the Constitution sez: "The President....shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate,... and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, ...judges of the Supreme Court...."

No "advice" was given.
No “consent” was given, either.
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How about this for an accomplishment:

1. Biden becomes the nominee.

2. Names Hillary as his running mate.

3. Wins the election.

4. Steps down for "health reasons" (aka dementia.

5. Hillary becomes the first woman president of the United States - thanks to Joe Biden.
If 2 happens, 3 won't.
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When did I ever say that *I,* personally, will not vote for Biden? I would vote for a pet rock before I vote for Trump or stay home.
Write in votes are the same as voting for Trump.
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Since you continually attack Biden, I find that hard to believe.

There can be no good reason to attack the Democratic front runner so constantly and savagely unless you support trump.

Do you actually believe instead that these attacks on Biden will drive people to vote for Sanders? Since that clearly wont work and isnt working, exactly what are your goals with these attacks? All you are doing is helping trump win re-election. Since that is not your stated goal, then why?

I mean, "I will vote for Biden, but meanwhile here are more reasons why no one should vote for him" makes your motives a little suspect, dont they?
No they don't.

Biden would be an unsuccessful POTUS who would have few if any accomplishments during his presidency. He would also not be Trump, so he is worth voting for if he becomes the nominee.

People should just go into a Biden presidency clear-eyed that none of his agenda will pass and that the same structural issues Democrats are dealing with today will never be addressed in a Biden administration.
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The Senate gave their advice, and it was "No". Sorry you didn't like it.
No, they didn't. McConnell refused to even allow a vote on the matter. That's not "advice", that's cowardice.
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Biden would be an unsuccessful POTUS who would have few if any accomplishments during his presidency. He would also not be Trump, so he is worth voting for if he becomes the nominee.

People should just go into a Biden presidency clear-eyed that none of his agenda will pass and that the same structural issues Democrats are dealing with today will never be addressed in a Biden administration.
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No they don't.

Biden would be an unsuccessful POTUS who would have few if any accomplishments during his presidency. He would also not be Trump, so he is worth voting for if he becomes the nominee.

People should just go into a Biden presidency clear-eyed that none of his agenda will pass and that the same structural issues Democrats are dealing with today will never be addressed in a Biden administration.
Are you saying that only the magic of Bernie Sanders will be able to get anything done? Bernie, who shits rainbows and unicorns, will somehow make Congress (who would be MUCH less Democratic if he's on the ticket rather than Biden) do his bidding and overhaul the entire health care system?

We are down to three choices:
1- Don the Con who will continue to take giant steps toward fascism
2- Bernie, who will make massive proposals that don't have a prayer of passing
3- Biden, who will be able to reverse the march toward fascism and will be able to make incremental progressive change.
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Wasn’t he talking about the primary?
Yeppers. I was discussing how I might vote in the Maryland primary on April 28.

On November 3, I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee.
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I mean, the polls until Biden's recent surge were all in rough agreement that he and Bernie were both equally likely to beat Trump. Whether those likelihoods translate into a better chance for Biden to produce superior general election Democratic coattails is debatable. This thread isn't meant to handicap the 'electability' debate, but I just think that there are real vulnerabilities to candidate Biden (just look at his track record on supporting Social Security cuts!) that many Democrats are papering over right now.
That was then and this is now. Since then, Biden was instrumental in passing the ACA and championing marriage equality. He's also come a long way since Anita Hill and the crime bill. Both of which he's admitted to being wrong about. When people know better, they do better. Biden has shown the capacity to learn and change his stance on many important issues and he's consistently been a champion for down ballot candidates and the Democratic party. Sanders, on the other hand, has held fast to his socialist ideals (which is not an entirely bad thing), has not been a champion of the Democratic party or a deal maker, and has not shown the same capacity to grow and improve (which is a bad thing, IMO).

So Sanders is far more of an ideologue than Biden, and I'd be more concerned with someone like Sanders than Biden when it comes to holding on to bad ideas in the face of new, better ones.

So yes, both candidates suffer from liabilities after all their years in politics. However, it seems to me that Biden is far less a liability than Sanders, given the above reasoning. We'll see how things play out today, but my suspicion is that being an inflexible ideologue is going to be a far bigger negative, as judged by the electorate, than being a humble moderate.
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Are you saying that only the magic of Bernie Sanders will be able to get anything done? Bernie, who shits rainbows and unicorns, will somehow make Congress (who would be MUCH less Democratic if he's on the ticket rather than Biden) do his bidding and overhaul the entire health care system?

We are down to three choices:
1- Don the Con who will continue to take giant steps toward fascism
2- Bernie, who will make massive proposals that don't have a prayer of passing
3- Biden, who will be able to reverse the march toward fascism and will be able to make incremental progressive change.
You'd think it was that simple, but no. There is a poster in this thread (not 2MT) who seems to have made the argument that if people don't recognize St. Bernie's brilliance deserve another 4 years of Trump to teach them a lesson the hard way. I suppose that's the super-progressive version of tough love.
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No they don't.

Biden would be an unsuccessful POTUS who would have few if any accomplishments during his presidency. He would also not be Trump, so he is worth voting for if he becomes the nominee.

People should just go into a Biden presidency clear-eyed that none of his agenda will pass and that the same structural issues Democrats are dealing with today will never be addressed in a Biden administration.
None of Biden's agenda? He has a much better chance of getting his moderate agenda thru than Sanders with his radical agenda. Politcal experts agree on that.

But you see, you continue to attack Biden. And you didnt answer my questions as to why. I suspect your motives.
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Are you saying that only the magic of Bernie Sanders will be able to get anything done? Bernie, who shits rainbows and unicorns, will somehow make Congress (who would be MUCH less Democratic if he's on the ticket rather than Biden) do his bidding and overhaul the entire health care system?

We are down to three choices:
1- Don the Con who will continue to take giant steps toward fascism
2- Bernie, who will make massive proposals that don't have a prayer of passing
3- Biden, who will be able to reverse the march toward fascism and will be able to make incremental progressive change.

When I'm being raped I tend to notice it.

Biden will be seen as a sop compromise to rebupkis who will just go on pillaging and raping democracy for the oligarchs.

They will get him to sign on to reductions in entitlements etc. It will be socialism for the corporations (!) and the killing floor for the middle class once more!

Anyone who comes into the potus now needs to try to correct some of the crimes against democracy that have occurred in 4 years. Can "Both sides Joe" from the 1990s do that? BSJ might just lose to dt.
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When I'm being raped I tend to notice it.

Biden will be seen as a sop compromise to rebupkis who will just go on pillaging and raping democracy for the oligarchs.

They will get him to sign on to reductions in entitlements etc. It will be socialism for the corporations (!) and the killing floor for the middle class once more! ....
WTF is a "rebupkis"?

Joe will not cut SocSec or any entitlement- in fact he wants to increase them
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WTF is a "rebupkis"?

Joe will not cut SocSec or any entitlement- in fact he wants to increase them
Rebupkis are a R party who have devolved to bupkis.

Joe has been wanting to cut SS for years. Can you cite that he wants to increase it now?
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In a sense, that is effectively the pro-Biden argument, just because nothing meritorious or meaningful will pass with him as president.

But...he would not be Trump.
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In a sense, that is effectively the pro-Biden argument, just because nothing meritorious or meaningful will pass with him as president.
Whether the Dems take back the Senate is much more important for anything meaningful to pass. And it's much more likely to take the Senate with Biden as the candidate than with Sanders.
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Thank God Biden has kryptonite against republican stonewalling. They know him and like him. They wouldn't do that to him. He's so "acceptable" that we are bound to get approval from some republicans which I think we agree is the most important factor in the Dem primaries.

Lets alll get along with republicans can't we?
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So we should pretend that the structural problems with republicanism aren't in play in 2020, even though we are swimming in it. Lets' go back to the good old days? Maybe they will remember what it was like working together?
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Rebupkis are a R party who have devolved to bupkis.

Joe has been wanting to cut SS for years. Can you cite that he wants to increase it now?
No, he NEVER wanted to cut SocSec. That is a base canard spread by the Kremlin, Sanders and Bernie bros.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-guide-claims/

Misleading.

The Bottom Line
Sanders framed this as “40 years of working with Republicans to cut Social Security.” But these statements came during periods when a growing budget deficit was a major concern in official Washington. Biden, like many mainstream politicians, thought action needed to be taken.

In some cases, Biden offered proposals intended to counter more extreme options offered by Republicans. At other times, Biden indicated a willingness to bargain with Republicans, though any deal resulting in spending reductions in entitlement programs was forever elusive. After 1983, the benefit cuts never happened.

In one case — 1983 — Sanders attacks Biden for supporting a deal that Sanders himself had praised. That’s rich.

Also missing from this picture are the many votes Biden took to increase certain Social Security benefits or block GOP plans; the Biden campaign provides a list of nearly 50 votes from Biden’s long Senate career.

Meanwhile, both parties now appear to have abandoned any pretense about caring about budget deficits. Biden’s campaign platform calls for raising Social Security payroll taxes on wealthier Americans and boosting benefits for people who have been receiving Social Security payments for at least 20 years.

Biden certainly could be challenged on why he took these positions at the time, but the snippets cited by Sanders are missing important context.


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A couple times he used the thread of a across the board cut in everything to call the Republicans bluff, and it worked- as Joe knew it would. The GOP wanted to cut a few social programs in the interest of "Balancing the budget", so Joe called their bluff.



https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/bi...-and-medicare/
That’s not what Biden is proposing now. In his 2020 bid, Biden has proposed a plan that would increase revenue for Social Security by eliminating the payroll tax cap and expand benefits for some of the oldest seniors.

“There will be no compromise on cutting Medicare and Social Security, period. That’s a promise,” Biden said at the 2020 Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum on Jan. 20, according to VICE News.


https://www.politifact.com/article/2...nders-over-so/

Biden would increase the minimum benefit for lifelong workers and make payments for the oldest people more generous. To shore up Social Security’s finances, he would raise taxes on upper income households, although his plans doesn’t say by how much.

"We should be increasing, not decreasing, Social Security," Biden said at an AARP Iowa forum in July.


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III. PRESERVE AND STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY

Social Security is the bedrock of American retirement. Roughly 90% of retirement-age Americans receive Social Security benefits, and one-in-four rely on Social Security for all, or almost all, of their income. The program has not only ensured that middle-class workers can enjoy the sound and secure retirement they worked so hard for, it also lifted over 17 million older Americans out of poverty in 2017 alone.

The Biden Plan will protect Social Security for the millions of Americans who depend on the program. With Social Security’s Trust Fund already in deficit and expected to be exhausted in 2035, we urgently need action to make the program solvent and prevent cuts to American retirees.

But the Biden Plan doesn’t stop there. As president, Joe Biden will strengthen benefits for the most vulnerable older Americans – including widows and widowers, lifelong workers with low monthly benefits, and old-age beneficiaries who may have exhausted their other savings. Specifically, the Biden Plan will:

Put Social Security on a path to long-run solvency.
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Thank God Biden has kryptonite against republican stonewalling. They know him and like him. They wouldn't do that to him. He's so "acceptable" that we are bound to get approval from some republicans which I think we agree is the most important factor in the Dem primaries.

Lets alll get along with republicans can't we?
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So we should pretend that the structural problems with republicanism aren't in play in 2020, even though we are swimming in it. Lets' go back to the good old days? Maybe they will remember what it was like working together?
This freakout you're having? It's how MSNBC felt 3 weeks ago.
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This freakout you're having? It's how MSNBC felt 3 weeks ago.
MSNBC is not what you think they are.
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This freakout you're having? It's how MSNBC felt 3 weeks ago.
If posts on point about R obstruction, Bidens retro politics, and Dem naivete qualify as a freakout, are you really ready for 2020?
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Dear Bernie. It's over. The Fat Lady (i.e. Michigan) has sang.

Time to man up, concede graciously, and help Biden get trump out of the White House.



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Bernie needs to stay in it past the debate. His policies are driving the dem agenda. He is the actual mover. And half the voters have not yet voted. Biden is very soft with young voters, and the dem debate needs to happen to set the example of answerable public speech.
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Sanders and his supporters need to decide if they're trying to defeat Trump or trying to defeat Biden.
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Right now trying to defeat Biden because it's the primaries

Every election the side(s) holding primaries get admonished for being too brutal, and the claim is made that the winner has been too damaged by the fight.
Throughout this primary we've heard repeatedly on the analysis shows "The Dems are all over the place, there's no cohesion!" like it's a problem. What do they want, Kang vs Kodos?

On the other hand, if what you're saying is Sanders' supporters need to get behind Biden if he gets the nomination, let's get there first, before we already try to demonize Sanders' supporters.
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Sanders and his supporters need to decide if they're trying to defeat Trump or trying to defeat Biden.
This Bernie supporter recognizes that Bernie has virtually no chance left and wants to beat Trump. Based on talking to many other Bernie supporters, the best chance of this will be if the Biden team takes significant action to appeal to Bernie supporters. My main recommendation is a VP pick that Bernie supporters like -- and I believe there are a few possibilities that are well-liked by Bernie supporters and also well-liked by Democrats in general.

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This Bernie supporter recognizes that Bernie has virtually no chance left and wants to beat Trump. Based on talking to many other Bernie supporters, the best chance of this will be if the Biden team takes significant action to appeal to Bernie supporters. My main recommendation is a VP pick that Bernie supporters like -- and I believe there are a few possibilities that are well-liked by Bernie supporters and also well-liked by Democrats in general.
I would love to see someone like Elizabeth Warren, though I'm concerned about her having to give up an important Senate seat. I know that Stacey Abrams is high on the list, but I wonder if she may lack experience for the VP role. Though I'm open to having my mind changed about that by hearing more from her.

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Bernie needs to stay in it past the debate. His policies are driving the dem agenda. He is the actual mover. And half the voters have not yet voted. Biden is very soft with young voters, and the dem debate needs to happen to set the example of answerable public speech.
You know what would help and finally, maybe for the first time in his political career, make Bernie a statesman? If on that debate stage with Biden, Bernie turned to his supporters and asked them to cast their vote for the emerging Dem nominee, Joe Biden.

He can talk about progress and change and helping the Democratic party become a more progressive entity. He can talk about the fact that this is just the first of many elections in which the progressive ideas win over the traditional conservative values of the past. He can talk about moving towards a more just society. There is a lot he can do and say that will help, not just Biden in the immediate term, but all progressives in the medium and long term. That's what he can do. And Biden has already extended his hand to all Bernie supporters. Is Bernie going to embrace that offer, or do Bernie and all his followers need another angry ideological lecture about democratic socialism?
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In a sense, that is effectively the pro-Biden argument, just because nothing meritorious or meaningful will pass with him as president.

But...he would not be Trump.
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Whether the Dems take back the Senate is much more important for anything meaningful to pass. And it's much more likely to take the Senate with Biden as the candidate than with Sanders.
The argument "it doesn't matter if Biden gets anything done or not, as long as he wins" is pretty much the same as "it doesn't matter if any meaningful legislation gets passed as long as the Democrats win Congress". If nothing is going to happen, good or bad, what's the point?
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They will get him to sign on to reductions in entitlements etc.
If Biden were going to cut entitlements, I would vote for him. That's not how politicians get elected, unfortunately.

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If nothing is going to happen, good or bad, what's the point?
Appointments to the Supreme Court and the Federal judiciary, reversing executive orders, tariffs, and policy decisions, appointing competent individuals to run agencies and departments, restoring friendly relations with many nations. All these things will happen in a Biden administration even if no legislation is passed. Lots of good will happen.
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