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Old 03-17-2020, 03:53 PM
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I wasn't personally affected by it much until yesterday. Hoo boy, that changed fast.

My wife's right ankle is a mess. She was scheduled for surgery this Thursday - day after tomorrow - to have tendons repaired, ligaments replaced with an artificial ligament, cleaning out some loose fragments of bone, and fixing anything else they found while they had her open. The recovery was going to be long - six weeks in an immobilizing boot (not taking it off at all the first 12 days, then another 30 days where she could take it off to wash, but at no other time), then six weeks with a brace - but at the end of it all, her ankle might work more or less normally for the first time during the decades I've known her.

Yesterday she got the word that the hospital was canceling all elective surgery. Including hers.

Now we've got to wait for who knows how many months before they're free enough from COVID-19 patients to do this again. I'm guessing we're looking at early next year.

Three more days. That's all we needed.

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Old 03-17-2020, 04:08 PM
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I am not working for three weeks. Fortunately I have loads of sick time. I will be paid, but my employer has not decided if I will have to use sick time or not.

A doctor's appointment I have next week has become a phone consultation. I went to my optometrist to buy contact lens supplies, and was told they only have emergency meetings there now, starting the next day (good thing I went that day then!).

Shopping is okay, except you cannot have toilet paper, paper towels, tissue paper, antibiotic liquid soap, or Lysol (or pasta). I didn't check the cereal aisle, but I suspect there was none available. I happen to have a ton of antibiotic soap, which I have to use when putting in contact lenses, but it's pure luck that I have it.
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:01 PM
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So far, not much at all. Weekly grocery shopping is the same, I'm not hoarding or panic buying anything, about the only change to my shopping habits last week was a corned beef roast, a head of cabbage, a bag of potatoes, and a jar of horseradish.

At work (pharmaceutical packaging; we don't make it, just bottle or blister pack it), we're staggering start times and break times to keep social distancing, and stopped our daily shift meetings as well.
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:31 PM
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Things seem to be getting worse by the hour. The Hudson's Bay Company department stores -- a huge chain in Canada -- announced they were closing until further notice. It's not like it's an essential service, but it's a major harbinger of the fact that other retail operations may follow suit. Restaurants are already closed except for takeout and deliveries. Liquor store hours, which a few months ago were extended for most stores, will now be limited to 11 AM to 6 PM starting sometime in the next few days.

The level of crisis motivated me to refill prescriptions that I still had enough of for several weeks or more, and the pharmacy told me it would take at least four hours. Not sure how this relates to the coronavirus pandemic, but there it is. Grocery stores are sold out of surprising things -- liquid hand soap is hard to find but available with limited selection, hand sanitizer is pretty much impossible to get -- all understandable -- but this evening I had a hell of a time finding ... a goddam loaf of bread! I wanted some plain white ordinary bread to make sandwiches with some excellent tuna salad and smoked chicken that I had picked up today, and every single store had their bread section picked clean except for some odds and ends. I finally went to the bakery section of a decent grocery and had them slice me up a loaf of sourdough which ought to be satisfactory, but WTF?

Fortunately, one way or another I have all the essentials I need, except it would be nice to have some hand sanitizer, although apparently the #1 most effective solution after being out in the world is a thorough washing of hands in soap and water. And avoid touching your face until then.

It's interesting to speculate how long it will be before things return to normal, or how bad it might get. I estimate months before normality, and worse before it gets better.
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:33 PM
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:48 PM
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Everything is Nevada is closed. Everyone is out of work. All casinos, all bars, all nightclubs, all gyms, all bookstores, all beauty salons…. EVERYTHING not essential is closed.

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Well… they aren't ordered to close. But my cardiologist, my periodontist and my GP all called me within the last 2 days to tell me they were closing for at least 2 weeks.

I have an appointment tomorrow at 2:30pm to do my taxes; I doubt that'll happen now, tho.

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Old 03-17-2020, 09:19 PM
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So the word came down from HR that we are required to work from home. C'est La Vie.

And we are up to 20 cases here in NZ, with 8 new cases overnight - all residents recently returned from overseas travel.
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Old 03-17-2020, 09:30 PM
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Slovenia here (2m pop, 8000 tests, 300 cases, 1 dead). As bad as in say France, but we reacted couple days earlier. So no schools, no kindergartens, no restaurants, no public transport at all, no casual health services, no socializing, 2m rule personal space, borders (especially to Italy) more or less closed.

Local aldis and similar shops are open, but limited to 8h workday. So are kind of post offices and some other institutions. Everyone is working from home and trying to avoid any physical contact with anyone and anything (including cash, cards, mails, buttons, etc). It is still very hectic, but empty store chaos from last week is in significant decline.

As for me, I was amidst of some half urgent medical diagnostication process and was shot off. Some exotic bacteria (Bartonella?) or something on lymph nodes. No time to find proper cure, so: here are your general antibiotics, go away and stay home, kind sir.
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Old 03-17-2020, 09:38 PM
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My mother's 85th birthday is this week. My sister and I had both planned on being there. But the risk makes it a bad idea so we've cancelled our travel plans.
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Old 03-17-2020, 09:54 PM
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My mother's birthday is tomorrow. I plan to call her and sing happy birthday.
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Old 03-17-2020, 11:46 PM
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The tenant in the condo I rent out is a waiter. I texted him Monday to let him know basically I'll be lenient if he has no income for a long time. At pretty much the exact same moment, our governor announced that all restaurants and bars had to close or go to carry out only for 30 days. He was really appreciative. So, this could end up costing me thousands of dollars, depending on how long it goes on, and if he's able to cover any of April and beyond's rent.

What are my options? Be a jerk and evict him for circumstance outside his control, and then have the place sit empty, because I'm not about to host a parade of strangers coming through to look at it?

It's only money, my family will live without it. He's resourceful, and not lazy, so hopefully he stays healthy and will take advantage of the temporary jobs available stocking shelves and doing deliveries. In all, I know I'm very privileged, but this is how it's affecting me directly so far.
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Old 03-18-2020, 06:30 AM
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I do taxes. Can't work from home but I don't have client contact and can work overnight when no one is in the office. Problem is that I do have to shuffle alot of paper and, while they aren't the best carriers of the virus, I do tend to lick my fingers to be able to shuffle them better. Trying to break that habit by keeping hand sanitizer close by and using it instead of saliva.

Looks like 7/15 is the new 4/15 for filing/paying purposes so that will be a big change.

Also, with my gym closed I'll be walking outside more and otherwise excersing at home.

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Old 03-18-2020, 06:45 AM
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RTFirefly, so sorry about your wife.

Echoreply, I have been leaving VERY large tips at the restaurants where we’ve picked up take-out (two so far over three days). Wish we could do more.

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Old 03-18-2020, 06:55 AM
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We haven't been eating out as much as we normally do, but for the past week when we do, we're also leaving huge tips.

We went to one of our favorite restaurants for dinner last night and it was pretty sad. Not just the lack of customers, but also the lack of staff. It's normally a VERY busy place with an army of servers, the open kitchen full of cooks and a few managers. Last night it looked like one cook, one server, one manager, one bartender.
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Old 03-18-2020, 07:00 AM
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My job has been doing pretty well with the situation given that it's normally anti-work-from-home. Someone in our office reported that they might have been exposed, so on Monday they sent us all home to telework. It's going well, but this morning we got an email from our manager directing us to note in our daily status reports if we're showing signs of Covid-19 infection. I appreciate that they are trying to keep a handle on things and doing their best, but... since it shares the same symptoms of regular flu (which I don't have), colds (again, I'm good) and allergies (all the trees are blooming here in VA, so yeah, I have mild allergy symptoms), I'm not sure what to tell him. I'm sure they don't want us to report every little sneeze and cough, but I don't think we can tell them anything, short of getting tested. Which we all know is hard to get! I guess I'll just skip it for now.
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Old 03-18-2020, 08:16 AM
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I'm still amazed how quickly this thing spread. 10 days ago I was going into work and making plans. Now I'm holed up, feeling hair grow on my brain.
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Old 03-18-2020, 08:37 AM
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My gf is working from home now. When I got home from work I walked up the stairs and could hear my gf talking. I figured she was on the phone. Then I heard someone talking to her, then a bunch of people laughing.

But there were no cars blocking me from entering the garage when I got home, and nobody is really in walking distance. I stood on the stairs for a minute, there were definitely a bunch of people all talking.

Turns out she was on a conference call having a meeting.
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He is a part time tourist bus driver. Taking a group from Northern Italy. Has pneumonia now.
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Today was my second day dealing with a critical shortage. To my taste the sourdough bread taste and texture just didn't work with the tuna salad, which was otherwise wonderfully delicious stuff from an upscale deli and of which I have a fairly large quantity. So I went out early this morning in search of what has now become another mysteriously elusive item in this crisis: plain old ordinary white sandwich bread. One grocery store looked exactly the same as yesterday -- like a giant gang of rats had devastated the bread section, leaving only odds and ends. But in another, there was lady restocking the shelves from a gigantic pallet that contained nothing but Wonder brand plain white sandwich bread. I thanked her in a manner reminiscent of a starving homeless person thanking someone for a loaf of bread. Now I can truly enjoy my goodies -- premium tuna salad with mayo, and smoked chicken with lettuce and mayo, and sliced tomato if I still have any, and maybe a slice of marinated garlic dill pickle.
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Old 03-18-2020, 09:36 AM
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On that note, I might bake a bread today.
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On that note, I might bake a bread today.
I would love to, but no flour and no yeast to be found. Didn't think to stock those items up in time.
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Old 03-18-2020, 12:03 PM
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I had accidentally picked up too much bread flour, turns out to be a good thing. I might be a little shy on yeast though. We were running low on bread flour and I had it on the list but had included it in a Prime Pantry order and then bought it at the store. Good time for that mistake.
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I had accidentally picked up too much bread flour, turns out to be a good thing. I might be a little shy on yeast though. We were running low on bread flour and I had it on the list but had included it in a Prime Pantry order and then bought it at the store. Good time for that mistake.
You don't actually need a lot of yeast. It would help to have a teeny bit, like 1/4 tsp, but the natural yeast in the air will work it's way into your dough if you let it sit out overnight. Don't cover tightly, but drape a cloth over.

You can even do this with a bread machine. Make dough using the dough function (using no yeast or only 1/4 tsp of yeast). Then turn off the machine, open the top, cover loosely, and let it sit for 12-24 hours. Then start up the machine and continue normally.

Google "making bread with natural yeast." This is where sourdough bread comes from.

Also Irish Soda Bread doesn't need yeast.

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Old 03-18-2020, 12:18 PM
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You don't actually need a lot of yeast. It would help to have a teeny bit, like 1/4 tsp, but the natural yeast in the air will work it's way into your dough if you let it sit out overnight. Don't cover tightly, but drape a cloth over.

You can even do this with a bread machine. Make dough using the dough function (using no yeast or only 1/4 tsp of yeast). Then turn off the machine, open the top, cover loosely, and let it sit for 12-24 hours. Then start up the machine and continue normally.

Google "making bread with natural yeast." This is where sourdough bread comes from.

Also Irish Soda Bread doesn't need yeast.
Thank you, that's really good to know with the yeast.

My wife is planning to make an Irish Soda Bread later this week.
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Luckily as a gardener my work schedule most likely won't be affected in any way.

On the slightly less rosy side of things - my stepmom is going through an assisted death procedure this moring (cancer), and so I was like, fuck it - dad's getting one damned hearty hug.
And her, too.
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A family member died of something else this morning. We could not visit him in the hospital, or go comfort a surviving member of the same generation.

I just learned that a friend's entire tour group had their flight home cancelled and is stuck in Africa.

A family member appears woefully unprepared for more than a few days of isolation. Little food, no thermometer, "everything's fine here except my commute is quicker."
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All right, a Q: I have a big bottle of isopropyl alcohol, and would like to wipe down some household surfaces, but how much of it gets dangerous to inhale? I obviously can't pour out several ounces neat onto a cloth and go wiping away.
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Hours for receptionists, including myself, are being cut a bit starting next week. I'll lose a couple of hours, which isn't a big deal for me. One of the other receptionists is worried about finances, and I've told the boss it's OK to cut me a bit more and give the hours to her. We'll see how it goes; I expect to maybe lose another work day.

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Old 03-18-2020, 08:26 PM
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A friend of mine from college has the symptoms, but hasn't been tested, because tests aren't available. She seems to be doing ok, just a fever and aches. I'm hoping she makes it.

I put my online shop on vacation mode. I only went to the Post Office once a week but that's once a week too often right now for my peace of mind
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Out of work until at least April 2nd and that's probably optimistic. Finally got my wife to realize what "self isolation" means sometime last night.
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We made it back to the good ol’ US of A after three cancelled flights, buying a full fare back on the last flight out of Gatwick, on Norwegian. Good thing our house is stocked with alcohol
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We had a meeting last Friday to discuss how the virus would impact work (long story short, pretty much everyone is 'essential' and thus has to work on site). Found out this week that the room in which the meeting was held had hosted a group of people from Washington, along with a handful of our local people, for a training class...and now some of the Washington people are showing symptoms. The local people who were in the class have been sent home; I'm not sure if they're being tested. One guy in my department is staying home because his wife had to be tested, and she hasn't gotten the results yet. My department has been given instructions on how to log in remotely to work from home, but supposedly the company will implement a staggered work schedule before telling us all to work from home.

None of this has come out via official announcement...it's all being whispered amongst employees, or overheard. The only official announcements have concerned communal food and non-essential visitors (both banned). Oh, and people handling mail or outside packages have to wear gloves now.
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I live on an island that so far has no confirmed cases, and all boats and planes to the island have been stopped. (Cebu. Philippines) Some 50 people are under quarantine watch. But the island is too small to feed its 5-million people, so eventually food will have to be brought in. It's just the two of us, light eaters, and we have 20 pounds of rice.

So all things considered, we feel pretty good about the prospects.
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All right, a Q: I have a big bottle of isopropyl alcohol, and would like to wipe down some household surfaces, but how much of it gets dangerous to inhale? I obviously can't pour out several ounces neat onto a cloth and go wiping away.
What concentration/ %? inhalation will be no problem (don't be huffing it), but 90% alcohol to water will likely dry your skin. And I mean split-at-the-fingerprint-grooves dry skin. Wear rubber gloves.

A bleach solution would be better. Follow the directions on the manufacturer's container.
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It appears my sister has COVID-19. She's symptomatic and is having trouble breathing. She's been told to quarantine herself at home with her family, and call an ambulance if it gets worse. Of course, no medical professional has actually seen her. It's all been phone consults.
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At 10:02 Monday 3/16, I received an email at work that I was being Activated by the County Emergency Operations Center and being sent to poll worker training for Tuesdays primary. RSVP by 10:30, please. So I had training from 12:30 to 5:30 PM and suddenly had to get enough rest to get up at 4:30 AM and get down to a polling station on the beach. The usually 2 hour drive was only 20 minutes at 4:45am with all green lights. I worked as the head of a precinct from 5AM to 8PM. So a 15-hour workday greeting the public en masse with a few hours warning. Needless to say, we were all swimming in sanitizer the whole time. At the beginning of training we were told it would all be at time and a half pay. Afterwards, it was "Only for time exceeding 40 hours." That's how my employer, the County, works now.
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All right, a Q: I have a big bottle of isopropyl alcohol, and would like to wipe down some household surfaces, but how much of it gets dangerous to inhale? I obviously can't pour out several ounces neat onto a cloth and go wiping away.
After trimming cannabis, I've used isopropyl alcohol (70%) in a pump spray bottle to clean tools and work surface without a problem.
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...and as a daily dabber, getting the 99% on my bare fingies to constantly clean off sticky stray specs of the crap - no problemo.
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It appears my sister has COVID-19. She's symptomatic and is having trouble breathing. She's been told to quarantine herself at home with her family, and call an ambulance if it gets worse. Of course, no medical professional has actually seen her. It's all been phone consults.
I'm very sorry to hear that. However, unless she's very elderly or has significant related health issues, I'm sure she'll be one of the vast majority that experience complete recovery. As said elsewhere, COVID-19 is so problematic because it's so contagious, not because it's particularly dangerous to normal patients. Hoping she gets well soon.
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I'm jealous of all you guys bragging about your isopropyl alcohol supplies. I have maybe two ounces left of the 99% stuff and it's as impossible to find as hand sanitizer. I do have vodka but 40% alcohol is barely of any use for surface cleaning and useless for making hand sanitizer.

When I picked my prescriptions the other day there was a bottle of hand sanitizer on the counter. I more or less jokingly asked the clerk if they had any in stock, and she said no, but they were hoping for a delivery this week. I felt like responding that I myself was hoping that pigs would learn to fly this week, too. The closest I've come is a Walmart about 12 km away claiming to have a couple of different kinds including Purell, but "almost out of stock". I don't trust their online inventory system and am not going to drive all that way early in the morning just to find the usual empty shelves. I'm more likely to catch this damn virus from all these outings than any good that hand sanitizer will do me. I have a reasonable (though not excessive) supply of liquid hand soap.
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Ever since the early days of COVID-19 Tom Hanks Disease, one of my employees has approached me daily, panicked over the latest baseless rumor she'd heard and accepted as gospel. I then would explain why the rumor she was spreading was obviously false.

Yesterday I lost my patience. She approached me all happy about how there was going to be an announcement soon that all businesses were going to be forced to shut down, but all employees would still receive their full pay (that is, I'd still be paying everyone).

I shrugged my shoulders, sighed, and told her maybe so, but I'm 62 and if it came to that I'd close permanently, cash in my chips, and enjoy myself. Her jaw dropped and she started crying. I went home.
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I live on 12 acres in rural Missouri and am ready for the zombie apocalypse!

No impacts other than to my investment and retirement savings

I work from home anyway (IT Data Architect)

Many locals overracting and hording everything from batteries and water to toilet paper and milk...

I have one kid in the home (9) who is out of school

I have 3 adult children, no impacts yet thankfully

I worry about unemployment across the country

We are self isolated, not leaving the "farm" for the forseeable future

Thankfully I have xbox game pass, streaming and the internet in general to keep me occupied outside of work
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Workplace shut down until further notice; will get paid for this pay-period, after that who knows. Possibility of remote computer work, they're still investigating that.

Intermittent shortages at the supermarket. I already had plenty of toilet paper, so that's no biggie.

Most restaurants closed, take-out only.

ETA: forgot, all non-emergency hospitalizations cancelled, so my spine surgery is off until further notice.

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Old 03-19-2020, 10:29 AM
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Stopped at the local bank to make a deposit for my business. I've never used their drive-thru, but assumed they'd be closed other than the drive-thru.

Nope. Open for business as usual. I stood well back from the teller and handed over the money. Curious, I asked whey the weren't using the drive-thru only and she laughed. Turns out all the tellers are pissed off and asking their boss the same thing.
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:48 AM
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We had a meeting last Friday to discuss how the virus would impact work (long story short, pretty much everyone is 'essential' and thus has to work on site). Found out this week that the room in which the meeting was held had hosted a group of people from Washington, along with a handful of our local people, for a training class...and now some of the Washington people are showing symptoms. The local people who were in the class have been sent home; I'm not sure if they're being tested. One guy in my department is staying home because his wife had to be tested, and she hasn't gotten the results yet. My department has been given instructions on how to log in remotely to work from home, but supposedly the company will implement a staggered work schedule before telling us all to work from home.

None of this has come out via official announcement...it's all being whispered amongst employees, or overheard. The only official announcements have concerned communal food and non-essential visitors (both banned). Oh, and people handling mail or outside packages have to wear gloves now.
This is both a general and a specific question:

In the scenario you describe (broadly: people are being told "stay away" because they were exposed to a known carrier **in the workplace**): how are companies handling it re requiring employees to burn limited sick leave / vacation time, versus workmen's comp?
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Minneapolis/Saint Paul metro area:

Workplace shut down until further notice; will get paid for this pay-period, after that who knows. Possibility of remote computer work, they're still investigating that.

Intermittent shortages at the supermarket. I already had plenty of toilet paper, so that's no biggie.

Most restaurants closed, take-out only.

ETA: forgot, all non-emergency hospitalizations cancelled, so my spine surgery is off until further notice.
What about more urgent, but non-emergent, procedures? (not that you'd necessarily know, but as a general question)? There are some that really shouldn't delay too long. A friend was scheduled for cancer surgery today and it got put off - though not for virus concerns (the doctor actually injured himself that morning and was not able to do the surgery). The friend is hoping it can be accomplished before hospitals in that area get swamped with COVID cases.
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:25 AM
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Welp, because my symptoms are persistent enough and overlapping enough of COVID-19 disease, I am officially staying home from work next week (am off this week already by coincidence). I was glad my boss did not put up a fight about it ("I don't want you here either until you get better."). Unfortunately, unless I can produce a positive COVID test, I will have to burn my personal time to stay home. Just got off the phone with the clinic, and their message was, "We don't have anymore tests, and it is that way across the state. You don't meet the criteria to get tested. We're only testing the more serious cases." If I could get tested and it came up negative, I could just go back to work. Instead I am stuck in the middle.

In the big scheme of things, people are getting hit a lot harder than having to burn their vacation time. I guess I should be grateful- hopefully when I return I will be immune (?) and can take advantage of what will probably be unlimited overtime opportunities at a time when stocks have crashed. BuuuUUuuut... the whole world is freaking out about this virus. I have had symptoms since Sat, and the answer is NO, no test for you? Just doesn't seem right.
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