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Old 07-28-2018, 07:58 AM
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60 seconds between searches? For reals?

This strikes me as a recent development. Or have I just been out of it for quite some time?
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:22 AM
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Just noticed this very thing myself!

An actually advance! Yay!
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:24 AM
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How long has it been? 10 years? Since the 2-minute limit was imposed, on the (apparently flawed) supposition that server problems were caused by too-frequent searches?
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:22 AM
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We're trying out a lower search time to see what happens. It was changed three days ago.

Let us know if you see any issues.
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Old 07-28-2018, 01:51 PM
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We're trying out a lower search time to see what happens. It was changed three days ago.

Let us know if you see any issues.
I just saw dogs and cats living together.
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Old 07-28-2018, 02:13 PM
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Nice! I thought I noticed the difference. I was trying to find Facebook threads today.

In the past, I would have to do something else between searches. After a minute or so, I'd get involved with the new thing I was doing and forget the search, then have the browser time-out.

Today, I was able to get the search done without losing my train of thought.

Thanks for the improvement.
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:30 PM
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I, for one, am very happy about this and will gleefully click on one (1) advertising link.

Edit: The advertising link didn't work. It was some Amazon Hunger Games Store. And clicking it did nothing. Oh well, I tried.

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Old 07-31-2018, 12:09 PM
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Down to 45 seconds! Not seeing any problems, only benefits.
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Old 07-31-2018, 01:23 PM
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I like it.

No big reason, just cool.

Thanx

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Old 07-31-2018, 01:38 PM
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Alta Vista it ain’t.
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Old 07-31-2018, 02:51 PM
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But at least it isn't Yahoo.
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Old 07-31-2018, 04:56 PM
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It's so exciting, seeing the time drop! I'm so excited by this that I've set up bots to ping the servers with searches several thousand times a second so that I can monitor the time between allowed searches dropping steadily.

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Old 07-31-2018, 08:15 PM
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Uhhh, maybe if you try NOT doing that...
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Old 08-02-2018, 05:15 PM
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Looks like it's down to 45 seconds now.
ETA, err, I guess it was down to 45 seconds a few days ago.

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Old 08-02-2018, 05:28 PM
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I wonder if this is related to the ending of Cecil's column? A "let's start to improve the SDMB" sort of decision. Either way, it's welcome.
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Old 08-02-2018, 05:34 PM
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I think it was actually ecg who suggested the experiment, not TubaDiva, so it's not directly connected to Ed stepping down.
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Old 08-02-2018, 05:55 PM
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If there are no issues I hope the experiment continues all the way down to zero. It would be nice to join the rest of the internet.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:04 PM
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Speak for yourself, I come here to avoid the rest of the internet.
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:06 PM
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Wow! Thanks much!

Let me repeat my old suggestion: Do a little white lie (pretend the limit is 50 secs instead of 45) when you perform the arithmetic for the error message. It is really annoying to see:
This forum requires that you wait 45 seconds between searches. Please try again in 1 seconds.
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Old 08-16-2018, 03:55 PM
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30 seconds seems to be working well. Hardly ever see that “try again in ... seconds” message any more. The other feature that seems new is that if I do see that message (e.g., I accidentally clicked “new posts” twice), the browser’s back button takes me to my previous search, instead of a “no posts” error message. Much appreciated!
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:35 PM
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... 15 seconds, and we are still here ...
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:35 AM
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Well, now searches just come up with blank pages, whether I'm on mobile or a PC.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:51 AM
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Thanks again for the reduction in search delay. Now:
Please remove the prohibition against "too short" words.
Skies are not always blue; short words are not always common. (And even if they were, you already have the 500-hit throttle.)
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Old 12-09-2018, 07:29 PM
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I'm not seeing any problems with the vB search engine; it brought stuff up fine for me today.

You will always get better results searching with Google; here's how to use it on the SDMB:

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=638051

As for changing the search criteria so that it works on searches of less than three letters ... no can do. The smaller the search criteria, the more oomph it takes from the system and we're just not that robust to do these small letter searches. Sorry.

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Am I allowed to ask what kind of hardware/system is being used?
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:54 PM
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Thanks again for the reduction in search delay. Now:
Please remove the prohibition against "too short" words.
Skies are not always blue; short words are not always common. (And even if they were, you already have the 500-hit throttle.)
It's not a prohibition, it's an old vB database issue. It doesn't set those words for cross reference because some of them are so common they would blow up the database. Don't know if that's fixed in later versions.
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Old 12-09-2018, 10:58 PM
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I must say... me, and other DBA's (Database Administers) are rolling our eyes. Sorry to seem condescending but queries against a database that has proper indexes are the cheapest actions that can be taken. Inserts and deletes can be more expensive because relational integrity has to be checked. But queries are absolutely straight forward and are not a big deal. If they are a big deal... just add the proper indexes and everything is just fine.
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Old 12-10-2018, 12:47 AM
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Why does anyone use the lame native search function here? Just use the Google site search.
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Since the Search ends after 500 hits anyway, if there are 500+ hits then searching for a 3-letter word should be FASTER than searching for a 10-letter word. But I see now that 4-letter searches (but not 3-letter) are now allowed. Is that new?

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Why does anyone use the lame native search function here? Just use the Google site search.
How do I search for Tim R. Mortiss mentioning 'witchcraft' WITHOUT getting results where you posted in a thread with 'witchcraft' but didn't mention it yourself? The how-to guide for searching seems to concede the impossibility: "Note that its not possible to find all posts by QED that mention gas." Most of the searches I do have this form.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:22 AM
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It's not a prohibition, it's an old vB database issue. It doesn't set those words for cross reference because some of them are so common they would blow up the database. Don't know if that's fixed in later versions.
It's not fixed in this version. And we're not scheduled for an upgrade anytime soon that I'm aware of.

Does it work in Google at all?

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Old 12-10-2018, 09:33 AM
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I must say... me, and other DBA's (Database Administers) are rolling our eyes. Sorry to seem condescending but queries against a database that has proper indexes are the cheapest actions that can be taken. Inserts and deletes can be more expensive because relational integrity has to be checked. But queries are absolutely straight forward and are not a big deal. If they are a big deal... just add the proper indexes and everything is just fine.
Well, I don't know shit about database administration but this particular problem is something I've heard about vB search a long time ago. In fact, looking now, it seems that blocking the short words was a patch because it was messing things up.
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This product removes keywords that are too short and allows a forum search to continue with the remaining valid keywords.

Normally, if the user searches for a word or words that are shorter than the minimum word length, the search crashes and burns with a not-so-user-friendly warning that they need to enter longer keywords. How is the user supposed to know that instead of searching for "racetrack in phoenix" they must leave out the "in" for it to work? This mod allows the user to search for "racetrack in phoenix" and the word "in" is automatically removed and a note is displayed telling the user what was done.
https://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=157133

But if you are just rolling your eyes at my explanation of the mechanics of it, that is fair enough because like I said, I'm pretty clueless about it.

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Old 12-10-2018, 11:01 AM
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Am I allowed to ask what kind of hardware/system is being used?
You're allowed to ask. You may not be allowed to know the answer.
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Old 12-10-2018, 01:12 PM
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We use a hosting service, so I don't know if anyone here actually knows what hardware we're running on. It's probably a safe bet that we're on some sort of server farm, maybe as a virtual machine of some sort.
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Since the Search ends after 500 hits anyway, if there are 500+ hits then searching for a 3-letter word should be FASTER than searching for a 10-letter word. But I see now that 4-letter searches (but not 3-letter) are now allowed. Is that new?



How do I search for Tim R. Mortiss mentioning 'witchcraft' WITHOUT getting results where you posted in a thread with 'witchcraft' but didn't mention it yourself? The how-to guide for searching seems to concede the impossibility: "Note that its not possible to find all posts by QED that mention gas." Most of the searches I do have this form.
I'll concede that point. Not that I've ever done that type of a search, but I could see the value of it.
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Why does anyone use the lame native search function here? Just use the Google site search.
1. Did you see that link Tuba Diva posted? For those of us not programmers, it's a nightmare of complexity.

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CS: site:boards.straightdope.com +"Cafe Society"
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2. I use it mostly for "new posts."

3. I love the 15 second rule. I never have a problem now.

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Old 12-12-2018, 11:19 AM
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Am I allowed to ask what kind of hardware/system is being used?
You're allowed to ask. You may not be allowed to know the answer.
Well, technically, he can know then answer, but then... ::cocks pistol::
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Hamsters. Isn't that in the FAQ?
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3. I love the 15 second rule. I never have a problem now.
I concur wholeheartedly. Kudos!
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