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on the other hand, everyone loves comedy until the comedian jokes about them.
Thatís a perfect summation.
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Thatís a perfect summation.
Except that, by my count, all of the people in this thread complaining about Chapelle's routines concerning trans people and the #MeToo movement are cis men.
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Except that, by my count, all of the people in this thread complaining about Chapelle's routines concerning trans people and the #MeToo movement are cis men.
Ok, technically you are right!
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As opposed to some other people unnamed as of yet, who actually are "mind-slaves to political correctness" and "don't think for themselves"?
That's exactly right. I'm glad you understand.
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That's exactly right. I'm glad you understand.
Yes, I understand that it is a figure crammed full of straw.
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Ok, technically you are right!
And also I said that I'm totally fine with comedy that mocks me as a timid white dude, especially when it's another timid white dude doing it. So he's also right on substance.

But other than being technically right and right on substance, he's wrong.
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Yes, I understand that it is a figure crammed full of straw.
That ain't straw.

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That would genuinely change my mind. What I've heard from other folks is that he shows genuine contempt toward trans folk.

If I thought the dude was pretty funny, I might watch it myself to form my own opinion. As it is, I don't enjoy his comedy, and so I'll just make my opinion a little less firm .
You haven't watched it, don't intend to watch it, but still feel comfortable enough to disparage it based on second-hand information.

That's not a great look.
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And also I said that I'm totally fine with comedy that mocks me as a timid white dude, especially when it's another timid white dude doing it. So he's also right on substance.

But other than being technically right and right on substance, he's wrong.

That ain't straw.
I donít think we need protected classes in comedy or as subjects of comedy. That said, it is a tricky space to navigate.
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That ain't straw.
Well, thereís probably something sticky keeping that straw together. Something thatís also easily available on a farm.
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You haven't watched it, don't intend to watch it, but still feel comfortable enough to disparage it based on second-hand information.

That's not a great look.
Glad you think so!
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I don’t think we need protected classes in comedy or as subjects of comedy. That said, it is a tricky space to navigate.
Nobody is asking for protected classes. People are asking for comedians not to be shitty, as in, don't mine laughs from reinforcing stereotypes of folks who have faced violent oppression. If you're trans, or if you're well-steeped in the experiences of being trans through some other means, and you can make great insightful surprising jokes that reflect the experience of being trans, that's very different from making jokes from the outside of the experience.

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Saw it and loved it. I thought a couple of his bits like the Michael Jackson stuff were a little too far over the line and I didn't agree with what he said, but I can stand to hear things I don't agree with. I didn't agree with everything Carlin said either but he was one of the greatest.

And yeah, stick around for the clips and Q&A after the credits. That part worked on PC and Roku Express, but didn't work on my old Roku 2.

I'm really looking forward to Bill Burr's new special too, I think he's lost some of his anger but he still regularly points out bullshit when he sees it.
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Glad you think so!

Nobody is asking for protected classes. People are asking for comedians not to be shitty, as in, don't mine laughs from reinforcing stereotypes of folks who have faced violent oppression. If you're trans, or if you're well-steeped in the experiences of being trans through some other means, and you can make great insightful surprising jokes that reflect the experience of being trans, that's very different from making jokes from the outside of the experience.
You start off saying "Nobody is asking for protected classes" but then go on to do exactly that.
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If that's your weird definition of "protected classes," spiffy.
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You start off saying "Nobody is asking for protected classes" but then go on to do exactly that.
That's not what a protected class is. You're not allowed to fire someone for being black, even if you're black, because race is a protected class in that circumstance. Saying "Maybe you shouldn't make jokes about black people unless you're part of that experience" isn't remotely the same thing.

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