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Old 09-11-2019, 09:35 PM
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As an adult I appreciate married with children on a totally different level


Its a quality show that addresses the bad parts of adulthood. I never got some of the jokes as a kid.
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Old 09-12-2019, 09:11 AM
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It is said that when Ed auditioned for the role, as he approached the door to come inside the "house", he paused and sort of sighed. That display of exasperation, of loathing, is part of what got him the job. Subtle, but very recognizable to people...married with children.
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Here's an interview with Ed O'neil about how he came up with the persona for Al and got the part. The other actors were playing Al as loud and excited like Jackie Gleason, while he went for 'resigned'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butNX7mnsKk
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The show's message is: Marriage is EVIL!
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The show's message is: Marriage is EVIL!
And kids make it worse.
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Old 09-13-2019, 10:16 PM
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Meh. Roseanne was much better.

Until it wasn't, but that's a different topic.
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I couldnt disagree more. Also, Roseann was clearly influenced by MWC.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:02 PM
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I couldnt disagree more. Also, Roseann was clearly influenced by MWC.
Agree with the disagree. MwC is in my top 3 all-time sitcoms. I used to always joke that I wanted to grow up to be Al Bundy. I think I did.
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“Peg, if I wanted you to know what I was thinking I’d be talking to you.”

Great show. This and the Simpsons kept FOX alive. Archie Bunker was an asshole and Edith was a ditz, but Married made fun of the ‘institution’ of marriage and child rearing.
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Old 09-14-2019, 07:49 AM
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Al Bundy, walking in the door after a tough day selling shoes:

"I WISH THE WORLD WAS A FLY AND I WAS A GIANT ROLLED UP NEWSPAPER!!"
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Old 09-14-2019, 08:27 AM
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The show's message is: Marriage is EVIL!
Having once experienced marriage, the message is accurate.
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Here's an interview with Ed O'neil about how he came up with the persona for Al and got the part. The other actors were playing Al as loud and excited like Jackie Gleason, while he went for 'resigned'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butNX7mnsKk
Great story, and I'm almost surprised no one else took the "resigned" interpretation and went Jackie Gleason on him, but I'm glad they did so he could get the part. He was perfect as Al.

The show also seemed to have great cross-cultural appeal. When I was an expat in Hungary, it seemed every one of my non-US friends appreciated the show. There was even a shoe store in Budapest on Erzébet Krt. called "Al Bandy Cipő" ("Al Bundy Shoes"), which I always got a kick out of.
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My favorite episode is when Al takes some scouts camping in the woods, 'gather round the flashlight, kids' and tells them a 'horror story'. A horror-story about an evil, rapacious red-haired creature that pursued a man. It would not stop. Oh, he tried to avoid it. He tried dating others, but it would. not. stop! At night he could hear its evil cry....'Oh honey....oh hoooooneeeyyyyy'........Peg was quite an attractive woman, but Al only had eyes for young sluts. He suffered from the madonna-whore syndrome, as did Elvis . You either had a pure woman or a sullied woman, and they could not be both!........Bud was kind of sad and hilarious at the same time...how many tv sitcoms feature the family's son being busted for pleasuring himself at the public library?? .......also, Christina Applegate was the most beautiful actress on television, wore bangin' outfits, and how pale blond ladies wear red lipstick like that and look great is a mystery to me even today.
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My favorite episode is when Al takes some scouts camping in the woods, 'gather round the flashlight, kids' and tells them a 'horror story'. A horror-story about an evil, rapacious red-haired creature that pursued a man. It would not stop. Oh, he tried to avoid it. He tried dating others, but it would. not. stop! At night he could hear its evil cry....'Oh honey....oh hoooooneeeyyyyy'........Peg was quite an attractive woman, but Al only had eyes for young sluts. He suffered from the madonna-whore syndrome, as did Elvis . You either had a pure woman or a sullied woman, and they could not be both!........Bud was kind of sad and hilarious at the same time...how many tv sitcoms feature the family's son being busted for pleasuring himself at the public library?? .......also, Christina Applegate was the most beautiful actress on television, wore bangin' outfits, and how pale blond ladies wear red lipstick like that and look great is a mystery to me even today.
IMO I think Peg was more than attractive enough to Al physically. He just wanted her to work and contribute to keeping up the house. He loved her and stayed with her but he came to accept that she was set in her ways and would never change.
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Great show. This and the Simpsons kept FOX alive. Archie Bunker was an asshole and Edith was a ditz, but Married made fun of the ‘institution’ of marriage and child rearing.
Dan Castellaneta (voice of Homer Simpson) appeared twice on MWC. The second time was as a funeral director but the first time was one of the best episodes ever. He played a guy named Pete talking to Al

Pete: Your wife is going out dancing with my husband.
Al: Your husband?
Pete: Yes, my husband.
Al: You know you're a guy.
Pete: Yes.
Al: Your husband?
Pete: Yes
Al: You know what this means?
Pete: What?
Al: There's three guys who don't want to sleep with her.

Castellaneta was wonderful in the role, playing it "straight" (which he is)
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The show also seemed to have great cross-cultural appeal. When I was an expat in Hungary, it seemed every one of my non-US friends appreciated the show. There was even a shoe store in Budapest on Erzébet Krt. called "Al Bandy Cipő" ("Al Bundy Shoes"), which I always got a kick out of.
There's a Russian-produced version called Happy Together. I tried watching it, but found it incredibly lame (though the actress who played the "Marcy" character was really cute).

I've never discussed the show with anyone else who saw it, so I'm curious as to what the Russians thought about it.
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IMO I think Peg was more than attractive enough to Al physically. He just wanted her to work and contribute to keeping up the house. He loved her and stayed with her but he came to accept that she was set in her ways and would never change.
Peg was one lousy (non) housekeeper. She was a slacker who was more interested in her hair and nails. But even so, men love 'hot wives' who are lousy self-absorbed bimbos.... For countless seasons, Peg was constantly begging Al for sex, constantly. All he was ever turned on by were young bimbos in skin-tight mini-dresses. (It was kind of disgusting, those young bimbos were not unlike his own daughter, Kelly.) Al didn't like women period. unless they were young sleazy pinup girls. any of them who were ordinary - like his customers at the shoe store! - were a horrid burden in his sad life. He so missed out, and there he was, a football hero from high school!
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Armin Shimerman (Quark, DS9) played a Briard owner who wanted to breed Buck to his bitch. Unfortunately, after sexy time with Buck, the female becomes the late Lady of Astoria and Al gets stuck with a bill for $10,000.
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But even so, men love 'hot wives' who are lousy self-absorbed bimbos....
Yeah, when they are some OTHER man's wife. When it's your own wife you tend to lose attraction over behavior that isn't compatible with a happy marriage. As far as being attracted to hot young women in tight clothes, that's just sort of a natural involuntary response, especially when you've only had pleasant superficial interactions. When you are resigned to your wife sitting around eating bonbons for 20 years and hate your life, sometimes it doesn't matter how "hot" she is.
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Yeah, when they are some OTHER man's wife. When it's your own wife you tend to lose attraction over behavior that isn't compatible with a happy marriage. As far as being attracted to hot young women in tight clothes, that's just sort of a natural involuntary response, especially when you've only had pleasant superficial interactions. When you are resigned to your wife sitting around eating bonbons for 20 years and hate your life, sometimes it doesn't matter how "hot" she is.
Tell me about it.... And that hot young football hero who scored 4 touchdowns at Polk High is now a balding lump, guzzling beer, watching sportsball in a recliner all weekend long. so it goes....but the Bundys really did, under it all, love one another. Proven during the show many times.

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I always thought each of the Bundy's were fantastic in their roles on the show, but Bud is the only one that basically had no career after MWC. IMO, He did the physical comedy very well.

I heard part of his problem that he was a prima donna.

I heard about the Russian version of MWC on while watching an Expedition Unknown documentary on the Discovery Channel.
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Dan Castellaneta (voice of Homer Simpson) appeared twice on MWC. The second time was as a funeral director but the first time was one of the best episodes ever. He played a guy named Pete talking to Al

Castellaneta was wonderful in the role, playing it "straight" (which he is)
Part of the joke being that Pete was way better at being what Al considered a good spouse (i.e. he cooked for Al). Al lectured Pete's husband (played by Sam McMurray also, like Dan C, from the Tracy Ulman Show) on how he was throwing away a good thing.
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They had some really great sight gags; the view of the audience after the lights and curtain come up for The Jeffersons: Movin' on Up live show always makes me laugh.
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I just saw Christina Applegate in her new Netflix Show "Dead to me". I am still impressed how far she has gone as an actress from Kelly, and she is as gorgeous as an adult woman as she was then to my teenage self.
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I didn't watch this show much back when it was on. Then, I saw something funny that helped put a lot of it in context for me.

I guess it was a millenial (they of the lifelong bad economic breaks) reviewing this show. His take was that Al didn't know how good he had it:

- He owns a house!
- He's got a stable job!
- His wife wants to have sex with him all the time!
- He can afford to raise two kids!

Compared to my life (the millenial), he's in heaven. What has he got to complain about!
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I didn't watch this show much back when it was on. Then, I saw something funny that helped put a lot of it in context for me.

I guess it was a millenial (they of the lifelong bad economic breaks) reviewing this show. His take was that Al didn't know how good he had it:

- He owns a house!
- He's got a stable job!
- His wife wants to have sex with him all the time!
- He can afford to raise two kids!

Compared to my life (the millenial), he's in heaven. What has he got to complain about!
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Al's biggest problem is that he peaked in high school. Of course he complains about everything now. All his good times ended at graduation. Christina Applegate pushes my buttons because a)she's almost my age so she was a contemporary and b) she looked JUST LIKE a girl I totally had the hots for in high school. So seeing her in reruns is nostalgic on two levels.
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the sad thing is I knew several real life als and peggys ....the als were, in reality, bitter mean drunks at dead-end jobs with a wife and kids they didn't want (one even said the only reason he had either them was abortions weren't legal back when he was in hs) some were studs in hs some weren't


the Peggys were neglectful pill heads or trampy drunks themselves that kept the kids clothed and fed just enough so the county. state wouldn't intervene ....
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I didn't watch this show much back when it was on. Then, I saw something funny that helped put a lot of it in context for me.

I guess it was a millenial (they of the lifelong bad economic breaks) reviewing this show. His take was that Al didn't know how good he had it:

- He owns a house!
- He's got a stable job!
- His wife wants to have sex with him all the time!
- He can afford to raise two kids!

Compared to my life (the millenial), he's in heaven. What has he got to complain about!
Al: Oh, Peg, it was horrible. Sixteen straight hours of shoe-selling mayhem. Last thing I remember, I was down on one knee, waiting on an overflowing glacier of a woman. First thing they teach you when you’re a rookie shoe salesman is, when you got a fat one in the chair, never look up. I looked up, Peg. I saw underwear. It said "Saturday."

Peg: So what?

Al: TODAY'S WEDNESDAY! Anyway, the next thing I knew, I was insane.

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I loved when Al would make a condecending comment, implying that someone had it worse than him. Kind of the opposite of praise from Caesar.

When Al's in-laws come to visit, the flamboyantly gay brother Otto is lamenting that the family singing group (played by the Del Rubio triplets) is breaking up temporarily:

Otto: The public will forget, interest will wane, oh God, it can happen -- look at Glen Campbell!

Peggy: Oh Al, do something!

Al: Sorry Peg, Glen's career is what it is.
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Al didn't like women period. unless they were young sleazy pinup girls. any of them who were ordinary - like his customers at the shoe store! - were a horrid burden in his sad life.
I don't remember any ordinary women on Married With Children, ever; they were either desirable and unobtainable, or shrewish and unbearable. And the male characters weren't any better. The Bundys weren't a dysfunctional family in a normal world. Everyone was pretty damn horrid.

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Off-topic, but this does remind me of an episode of L.A. Law. The firm was representing someone who got fired from his job wearing a Homer Simpson costume at a theme park. Without the costume, he was rather shy and quiet, but in costume he became the perfect Homer, loud and brash. He was played, of course, by Dan Castellaneta.
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And let's sing the praises of Ted "Jump the Shark" McGinley, who actually improved the show when he joined as Jefferson D'Arcy. The best foil for Al and March.

In googling Jefferson to get the names spelled right, I find out his middle name is "Miolhouse." Another Simpsons connection. Think he is really a grown up Milhouse Van Houten?
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MWC is a good example of characters devolving into caricatures over the run of the show. Kelly, especially, descended into a stereotype blonde bimbo as the show progressed. She started off as simply being one of the cool kids who ditched school and hung out with bad elements. And she was just unschooled enough to fall for Bud's practical jokes ("helping" her with school reports, usually). but pretty quickly the producers went with dumb blonde humor for her and her gaggle of hot popular friends.
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My favorite casting decision of the show was to fire whatever little brat played that Seven kid for one season. The audience couldn't stand the character, so he disappeared the next season with no explanation whatsoever (other than one or two jokes along the lines of his face on a milk carton implying that he was missing).

I can imagine the producers telling the young child actor: "Sorry, we thought that the show's fans would love you. It didn't turn out that way. Nobody could stand you. You're gone!"
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My favorite casting decision of the show was to fire whatever little brat played that Seven kid for one season. The audience couldn't stand the character, so he disappeared the next season with no explanation whatsoever (other than one or two jokes along the lines of his face on a milk carton implying that he was missing).

I can imagine the producers telling the young child actor: "Sorry, we thought that the show's fans would love you. It didn't turn out that way. Nobody could stand you. You're gone!"
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Speaking of Kelly and dancing, who can forget the FEVER dance she did with Bruno. One of the hottest dances on network TV ever.
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And let's sing the praises of Ted "Jump the Shark" McGinley, who actually improved the show when he joined as Jefferson D'Arcy. The best foil for Al and March.

In googling Jefferson to get the names spelled right, I find out his middle name is "Miolhouse." Another Simpsons connection. Think he is really a grown up Milhouse Van Houten?
I thought both were a Richard Nixon reference.
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Great story, and I'm almost surprised no one else took the "resigned" interpretation and went Jackie Gleason on him, but I'm glad they did so he could get the part. He was perfect as Al.

The show also seemed to have great cross-cultural appeal. When I was an expat in Hungary, it seemed every one of my non-US friends appreciated the show. There was even a shoe store in Budapest on Erzébet Krt. called "Al Bandy Cipő" ("Al Bundy Shoes"), which I always got a kick out of.
I think this was because they translated it into various languages quite well across Europe. The Germans were big fans, and this was in a town I lived in for a bit as well:

Al Bundy Shuhe, Hildesheim, Germany
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Oh, that was lovely! Puts 'Dancing With the Stars' to shame, I think only Apollo Ohno and Julianne Hough on that show did a dance number nearly as hot.
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There's a Russian-produced version called Happy Together. I tried watching it, but found it incredibly lame (though the actress who played the "Marcy" character was really cute).

I've never discussed the show with anyone else who saw it, so I'm curious as to what the Russians thought about it.
There was a British version in the 90s starring Russ Abbott. I'm not sure it ever got past pilot.
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I didn't watch this show much back when it was on. Then, I saw something funny that helped put a lot of it in context for me.

I guess it was a millenial (they of the lifelong bad economic breaks) reviewing this show. His take was that Al didn't know how good he had it:

- He owns a house!
- He's got a stable job!
- His wife wants to have sex with him all the time!
- He can afford to raise two kids!

Compared to my life (the millenial), he's in heaven. What has he got to complain about!
Al did now how good he had it. (Or at least his writers did...). Al hooked up with an attractive energetic women who wanted to take him away from all that, and what did he do? He went back to Peg and the kids. Why? "I'm married. With children."
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