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Old 09-05-2019, 02:45 AM
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Co-Workers/Applicants to jobs you had who had completely unrealistic ideas of how the job worked


Yes this is basically another thread to complain or make fun of people you use to know at work.

At any job you worked, did you either have a coworker or somebody who applied to your job that had a completely unreasonable idea of what happened at your job or had unreasonable expectations? Anything that a normal human being wouldn't expect but they somehow did? Entitlement, Naivety, Foolishness, or straight up Idiocy.


One of my coworkers is a man in his late 20's. One day he asked me if we were going to get Halloween as a paid day off. First of all, does ANY job recognize Halloween as a paid day off? Second, how did he go through life not knowing Halloween isn't a federally recognized "day off" holiday?

We also had a person who was only employed at my job for a month, mainly because after a month of normal job hours (40 hours a week) and being an overall great employee they suddenly requested to only work 32 hours a week. Now she was a single mother so if they had requested it so they could care for their child that would have been accepted, however they simply stated they wanted to only work 32 hours a week "to force my ex to pay me more in child support". After that was denied she quit the job presumably to find somebody to accommodate that request.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:26 AM
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We also had a person who was only employed at my job for a month, mainly because after a month of normal job hours (40 hours a week) and being an overall great employee they suddenly requested to only work 32 hours a week. Now she was a single mother so if they had requested it so they could care for their child that would have been accepted, however they simply stated they wanted to only work 32 hours a week "to force my ex to pay me more in child support". After that was denied she quit the job presumably to find somebody to accommodate that request.
Where I work, a person can request a 32-hour work week for whatever reason (I don't even think the reason has to be provided). So I don't think she was wrong for making the request; she just was wrong for telling her employer TMI. In fact, I would be pissed if my employer granted this request only for childcare purposes. The only thing that should matter is whether or not the job duties can be properly fulfilled over 32 hours/week. If they can, then it shouldn't matter if someone wants to spend the other 8 hours of the week literally wanking off.
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:13 AM
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One job I was at we used to rotate being on call for the client. Everybody took one week out of every seven to cover emergencies. One person, during her first on-call week, turned the on-call pager off because she was tired and needed a good night's rest. Without telling anyone.

We found out anyway when the problem got escalated to the next person on the food chain.

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Old 09-05-2019, 07:25 AM
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I have a minion who started with us a year ago. She took on a job I used to do before I moved into management...at which point her post was still vacant. I was doing my job, her job and half of another person's job due to staffing problems.

She was recruited, I trained her to do the job, I explained how it had busy points and very busy points, helped her out at the very busy points, got her oceans of support for the busiest times and generally did everything possible to help her.

She's been off sick with work-related stress for 14 weeks now. Her occupational health report states that her solution to the problem is to reduce her workload and recruit more staff. *le sigh*
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:39 AM
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Not a job I had, but still: individual applied for a retail job in early November, informing the interviewer that he'd be out of town over Thanksgiving. Yeah, including Black Friday. No, he wasn't hired.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:08 AM
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A tourist attraction I worked in had a cafe manager who, after a while, refused to work weekends or most school holidays, because they were 'too busy' so she basically never worked with the staff she was supposedly managing- they were mostly really nice but clueless barely trained teenagers, so she was constantly bitching about them, while refusing to work with them or train them. Then she decided that the days she was working were 'too quiet' so hired her daughter to come in and keep her company when there were no customers.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:25 AM
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In Spanish, someone who lives in a word of fluffy pink clouds where pee smells like good cologne is said to live en un guindo, in a cake-cherry tree. To suddenly discover that the floor is Down There is caerse del guindo, to fall off the cake-cherry tree. A former coworker of mine is known to many locals as la guinda because the lass had a whole cherry-tree plantation, multi-tiered cakes and all…

We were only one step above the lowest peones (actual job title) in the factory. Weekend shift. Both of us were given the same advice by a coworker who figured he didn't want to work with anybody stupid enough to follow it: "limit yourself to the stuff in your job description, don't ever go beyond when a boss orders you to do so, much less on your own." I told him that didn't seem like a good path to a promotion, as it didn't show that my degree truly was good for more than decoration; she followed the advice but actually went beyond: not having truly bothered to read the job description, she would Just Not Do anything she didn't think was part of it, including things that were.

She was wrapping up a Masters in ISO12K Implementation and somehow thought this would not only qualify her to lead our local Waterworks Authority but get them to hear of her fabulous achievement through the grapevine and come seek her out. In reality, the WA is part of either the Ministry of Public Works or the Ministry of the Environment (or whatever they're called in each legislature); the manager of each WA area is a very-senior civil servant with more years of service under their belt than either of us had of life at that point, always an internal promotion; to eventually get there, you need to be willing to move wherever promotions open up. Many of those people have multiple degrees, doctorates aren't required but also not terribly surprising.

When she did not get renewed and I did, she accused me of blowing our immediate manager. Her nine older siblings took the chance to grab her, drag her (literally from what I hear) into the cafeteria across from their parents' home, take over the back room and spend several hours explaining all those parts of Sesame Street which apparently she'd missed, such as "people won't come give you jobs only cos you happen to be the apple of Mom's eyes" and "when you get a job you're actually supposed to work at it".

I understand the bump against the floor did a lot to improve her attitude.

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Old 09-05-2019, 08:31 AM
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I once had a colleague who thought it was perfectly fine to take international business trips without telling anyone in advance. One day he casually remarked to me that the next day he was travelling to a week-long educational seminar in another country. I asked him if he'd filed the requisite travel request with our boss, and he said he didn't think it was necessary because he wasn't asking for his expenses to be covered. Fine, I said, so you've at least filed a vacation request? Oh no, he said, it's a business trip so it doesn't count as a vacation.

I was nominally responsible for supervising this guy, so I had to report the matter to the boss. By the time the report got read, he had already left for the trip. In the end we deducted the days he was absent from his vacation days. He would have been fired too, except that his contract was coming up for renewal at the end of the month, so we took the easy way out and simply didn't renew it. We made it well known to him, however, that we were not happy with his conduct and that this was why he was being let go.

He didn't seem to have got the message, though. For months afterwards he continued to list us as a reference on his job applications. We had a lot of fun taking calls and e-mails from his prospective employers.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:36 AM
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One of my coworkers is a man in his late 20's. One day he asked me if we were going to get Halloween as a paid day off.
Not Halloween, but another "you gotta be kidding me" holiday, maybe St Patricks Day. Employee approached me complaining she wasn't paid for the holiday. She said this when others were around, so she quickly became know as the not-real-bright one.

I also had an employee who complained to my manager whenever I (the owner) did not "follow the rules". I eventually had to explain to her that I was the one who made the rules, and that I was hereby changing the rules to read, in every circumstance, "everyone (except kayaker) blah, blah, blah".
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:59 AM
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My pain in the ass godson once got a job at some fast food restaurant. He managed not to get fired the first day, which was a miracle. He didn’t arbitrarily decide that some random coworker “disrespected” him and start acting like a psychopath. He didn’t tell his boss “You’re not the boss of me.” He didn’t overreact to minor corrections by accusing his managers and coworkers of egregious disrespect. He was big on demanding respect.

And at the end of the first week he was still employed, which was a record setting event. And he made it through week #2. Obviously, this started to lead to a lifestyle where he went to work everyday, did a job, got paid and went home. There was nothing disruptive at all which was a state of affairs tha could not be allowed to stand.

So he started bitching to his manager about how he was a vegan and didn’t think he should be required to handle meat. Or take orders for meat. Or hand people paper bags containing meat. And it was very very disrespectful of his employer to force him to work around all this meat. At a freaking burger joint.

He lost the job.

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Old 09-05-2019, 10:07 AM
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I admit to being one of those "why isn't it a holiday" people once. The job in question included 24x7 on call support work and mine once fell on Easter. I got paged out that day (actually, twice I think, it was common to get paged out 2 or 3 times a day in that job). Monday when I came to work I pinged the HR team as to whether I would get holiday pay for working on Easter. (I didn't, only the standard weekend call-out pay.) Anyway...

The manager at my last job was a real mind-blower. I learned a lot of this directly from her, but I'll keep the story short by just stating facts. She had zero management or team lead experience and was "promoted" to manager on her second day on the job, about a week before I was hired. (Her background was in software testing.) I was a business analyst, she was the manager of business analysts, and we were both client-facing. I quickly realized that she also had zero administrative skills. She struggled to use Outlook, Visio, Excel and our issue tracker. She would create testing tickets and assign them to me, or would create analysis tickets and assign them to a tester. She'd assign a ticket to me and notify my coworker to start work on it, or assign it to him and tell me to start work on it.

They were still building out the team, so she had to hire a few more analysts. She invited me and my coworker to interview candidates with her, which was nice. I noticed that when she described who we were and our contract that she seemed to be just parroting bare-bones descriptions that she'd been told. You ever see someone who seems to be parroting some technical info they don't understand? It was like that, but about our company and contract. I thought it was odd but didn't worry about it.

She also was visibly very uncomfortable with her newfound authority. Her boss interrupted a meeting we were having once to ask her to choose between two candidates they'd interviewed. She made faces at him and resisted, and actually told him that she didn't feel comfortable making the decision of who to hire. After about 15 minutes of back and forth he managed to gently berate her into picking one.

Unfortunately they lost the contract and had to let the whole team go. The day after, she called me at home to touch bases. During the call she asked me if I knew what our contract was all about. She said she'd asked our client to send her a description that she could put on her resume. All that time (about 8 months) and she'd never understood what it was we were doing!
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:12 AM
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We are a magnet school, famous in a very limited sense. We have to screen pretty aggressively for applicants who think a job here means working "with good kids". As in, I am tired of dealing with discipline problems, I want to work in a school where all the kids will do their homework, learn easily, and never act out. Kids are still kids. You still have to have to manage a classroom. They are still sometimes little jerks.

We had a young teacher who for several years kept lobbying, intensively, for more "leadership roles" and complaining that she didn't have any opportunities for leadership. The first year she complained, we put her on the master schedule with a shared planning period with another teacher who needed help, and asked her to mentor. She literally cried about how impossible that would be and how she couldn't work with the other teacher, because she is so "needy". So we changed her schedule. We gave her a committee chair. The committee met two times. The second time, they dedicated themselves to trying to come up with a way to kick students out who were under-performing academically, which is something We Do Not Do, but apparently she thought we should. They never met again.

They next year, she started in again. I put together a list of projects that someone could take on, with a committee or alone: all sorts of things that we have needed someone to do for some time. She rejected them, saying she didn't want "responsibilities", she wanted "leadership". She begrudgingly took on one project, formed a committee to tackle it, they never met. There were a couple other instances like that.

Next year, there was an opening for department chair. She aggressively pursued it. When she discovered that department chair involved duties outside your immediate department (supporting the school as a whole), she said she didn't want to do that part, only the department part. We told her that was impossible. We suggested two people take the role, if it was too much. She said she wouldn't do that because she was "childfree" and the other lady had kids and she was sure that meant that she would get "stuck" with all the work (other lady has NEVER failed to live up to a responsibility). She cherry-picked exactly what she wanted to do and presented that as a job description. We told her to stuff it. She finally quit in a huff. She was a good teacher, just totally unrealistic view of what it meant to be "in the room where it happens".
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:19 AM
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I'm sure we've all had the co-worker who thinks that answering a text is more important than, you know, doing your job. One such idiot refused to open an other register when I told her to. Hey, I'm first register and when I say open another register, you do it. She got let go on the spot.

And one woman was working in the aisles because the register was slow. I called her to the register twice when things picked up, and told her to go back on the aisle when it showed down. The third time I called her, she walked our. Later her mother called and complained to the manager about my mistreatment of her daughter.
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:53 AM
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At one Computer Science (note) department I taught at there was a guy who complained about the time and effort we were putting into networking as much stuff as possible. This was 20+ years after ARPANet was invented and just as the Internet was becoming famous to the outside world.

He actually said we should get rid of all the network stuff. A Computer Science prof!

It turned out he just had no clue about that stuff. Nor a lot of other stuff. And had no idea how to learn about any of it.

E.g., he complained about how he got stuck with the Assembly Language class and needed more course materials and all that. Furthermore, he didn't know the language used so how could he be expected to teach it?

I firmly pointed out that when I started there the machine they used to use to teach the course was shutting down. So I started from scratch. Decide what system to use, get a text, get the software, create assignments, tests, etc. And I taught myself all I needed to do this. (Something I did many, many times over the decades.)

Look, partner. See that "PhD" after your name? That means you should be qualified and then some to teach yourself a new programming language, a new topic, etc. in your field. And you should bleeping learn how great it is to have things networked.

I'm a Sun Java certified programmer (for some weird reason). They didn't teach Java when I was in college because it didn't exist. I picked up a book, sat down at a computer and learned it.

Doing this is a must for the field. He couldn't do it so he didn't last.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:21 AM
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Not Halloween, but another "you gotta be kidding me" holiday, maybe St Patricks Day. Employee approached me complaining she wasn't paid for the holiday. She said this when others were around, so she quickly became know as the not-real-bright one.
Was she from Boston? Just coincidence that a fairly minor event in history falls on the biggest drinking day of the year.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:24 AM
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When I was a retail manager I was hiring my seasonal staff for a mall location. Basic minimum wage first job kind of stuff. A lot of teens.
I hired one gal I'll never forget who was very nice and did the job just fine, however she had absolutely no concept of how a schedule/shifts/hours were supposed to work even after explaining it to her multiple times.
Apparently she thought once you landed a job somewhere you just show up to work any time you want to work and leave or don't come in any time you don't want to work.
After a week of calls from my assistant managers saying "she didn't show up again" or "she's here to work but she's not on the schedule" I had to get rid of her.
She was still really confused about the whole situation.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:32 AM
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When I train new cashiers at work, I always ask them "What are the three things you have to do to keep a job?" The answer is be on time, do the work, and get along with people. And more people are fired for violating the thid thing than the first two combined.

I was once showing a new, first day employee the upstairs of the store, and I asked her to go downstairs and get a shopping cart, and I'll show her how to crush the empty boxes. She just went totally off on me, saying I didn't have the right to tell her what to do and she wasn't going to listen to me, etc. etc. Very loudly. Two of the male aisle workers came running, followed by the manager, who escorted her out.

Unforgetable night. I also had to deal with a customer who, after I rang up over $300 work of stuff, tried to take his cart out of the store without paying, and a guy who came to my register with a knife. "Where do I find these?" "Oh, let me look at that." I grab the knife. "That's kitchenware. Aisle 2." When he came back with a package of knives, I told him that pulling a knife on a person who is standing in front of a register full of cash is not a good idea. He laughed and said "I never thought of that." And one of the store owner's daughters came in the store a couple of days later and, having seen the video said "What was with you and the guy with the knife?"
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:40 AM
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I remember another one. We had a Latin teacher who used to complain, endlessly, about how he had to "develop his curriculum" for AP. He seemed to sincerely believe that all the rest of us had a Big Book that we assigned chapters out of and the students just answered questions at the end. ALL of us design our curriculum. And I went looking, and found him a bunch of canned AP Latin curricula he could work from--AP Latin has a super-supportive community--and he rejected every one for various reasons. But he continued to hold that he, and only he, had the terrible burden of having to figure out how to teach these children.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:48 AM
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Another story about somebody who had trouble with the subject of days off.

I worked in a prison. Anyone who gave a moment's thought to it would figure out that a prison is a twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five days a year business. There is never a time when we close.

But there was at least one guy who hadn't really grasped this concept. He was genuinely surprised when he was making his Christmas plans and realized he was scheduled to work on Christmas Day. So he went to the sergeant and then to me to try to get this mistake fixed.

He explained to me that he didn't want to work on Christmas. I explained to him that regardless of how he felt about it, he was going to work on Christmas. And he just couldn't accept it - he acted as if there was a law saying that everybody who wanted Christmas off was entitled to it.

I explained to him that we shut down as much as possible and gave as many people as possible the day off. But there was an unavoidable minimum number of people who would have to work. And that as one of the least senior people in the prison, he was going to be one of those people working. And he kept saying "But I can't work on Christmas."

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Old 09-05-2019, 11:49 AM
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She's been off sick with work-related stress for 14 weeks now. Her occupational health report states that her solution to the problem is to reduce her workload and recruit more staff. *le sigh*
We had a guy in a similar position. First, he was out for months due to back pain (in essentially an office job with some light lifting) and then due to "tinnitus", which conveniently isn't something anyone can prove or disprove. This was a guy who was regularly going to rock concerts, even traveling cross-country for big concerts. Part of our annoyance was that we were told that as long as he was out on disability, we could not hire a replacement. So we were shorthanded for months.
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:40 PM
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Actually two people at once.

I work in a warehouse where we basically take trailer-truck loads of boxes and break them down for the various post offices in our region. Think of it as a Siberian box mine. We had one young man take the basic job there and after a couple weeks he brought a note from his psychologist saying that handling boxes was causing him stress and could he please be assigned to a job that didn't require it.

Even the boss of the whole operation has to jump in. Everyone no matter what their titles handles some level of boxes every day. So you want to remain a floor worker (all you are qualified for) and not touch a box? Kiss off!

And the sad part is our HR actually tried to force the issue dictating he be assigned to the gaylord dumper where he only had to push boxes and not actually touch them. Didn't work -- his real issue was a rotten upbringing and a bum counselor but -------- it was interesting to watch.
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:06 PM
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I was an idiot.

I had a job in college working for the Engineering department. I was good with typing and proofreading, but one day somebody asked me to make 15 copies of something and collate it.

Do what?

I had to look it up. "Collate."

The crazy thing of course is that, absent that instruction, I would have collated it, as a matter of course, just because I know no one wants 15 pages of page one, stacked on top of 15 copies of page two, etc. But I had never encountered the word.

(I looked it up because I didn't want to look stupid, because I was a smart college student.)

Welp that's what I learned in college. A couple of weeks later I learned that you could actually make the copier do the collating. There was a button that said, "COLLATE." I had probably seen that button and wondered: "What does THIS do? Hm..."
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My brother in law was interviewing someone to work for his lake management company. This person was in his early 20s, living at home. Some of his better answers....
Where do you see yourself in 10 years? "I'm going to be retired when I'm 30."
During our peak season, the hours are longer; (during the 'off' season, a day's work is shortened). "I need to be able to work out at 9:00 AM every morning."
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:09 PM
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:15 PM
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I admit to being one of those "why isn't it a holiday" people once. The job in question included 24x7 on call support work and mine once fell on Easter. I got paged out that day (actually, twice I think, it was common to get paged out 2 or 3 times a day in that job). Monday when I came to work I pinged the HR team as to whether I would get holiday pay for working on Easter. (I didn't, only the standard weekend call-out pay.) Anyway...
My father had an employee who asked if they got the Monday after Easter off, because "Easter falls on a Sunday this year".

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During our peak season, the hours are longer; (during the 'off' season, a day's work is shortened). "I need to be able to work out at 9:00 AM every morning."
I worked summer jobs as a landscaper when I was a kid. One year I worked with a bodybuilder who didn't want to carry anything heavy because "I gotta lift tonight."
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Another story about somebody who had trouble with the subject of days off.
And yet another. This wasn't me and it wasn't exactly a job: it was several of the privates doing their military service with my brother. At the time, Spain was slowly closing the service down.

"Remember how we've often said that the military service is a drag, but that for many people such as Great-grandpa it was a great opportunity, got them out of the village and all that stuff?"
Yeah...
"Well, turns out there's still a lot of people who benefit from being dragged out of their home town! As you know, St John's Eve [midsummer] is a big thing in many places, but St John's is a holiday only at the town level. A lot of my platoon-mates are from Barcelona..."
So they... they thought it was a holiday and that you'd get it off? You don't even necessarily all of you get the day off for holidays!
"Not only that, but when we explained that it wasn't, a dozen of them wanted to 'go see the captain right now and get him to give us the day off'! We managed to get them to cut that out but it took a while. Some of them couldn't even do the math of 'going to see the captain to demand a holiday with your rifles and all counts as mutiny and that carries a minimal sentence of 12 months and we only have 6 left of service, you'd be in for twice as long as you'll be if you stop this and you'd be spending it in the cooler!' What? The? Fuck?"
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Hijack: what's a lake management company?
Oh, they schedule the meetings with the fish, make sure the algae has submitted the proper TPS reports, check to make sure maintenance has provided clean sheets for the lake bed. You know, the usual.
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I remember another one. We had a Latin teacher who used to complain, endlessly, about how he had to "develop his curriculum" for AP. He seemed to sincerely believe that all the rest of us had a Big Book that we assigned chapters out of and the students just answered questions at the end. ALL of us design our curriculum. And I went looking, and found him a bunch of canned AP Latin curricula he could work from--AP Latin has a super-supportive community--and he rejected every one for various reasons. But he continued to hold that he, and only he, had the terrible burden of having to figure out how to teach these children.
One of the things that makes me sure that it's a Good Thing my mother never got a job as a teacher in a real school* is that she thinks any teacher who develops any material beyond what's in The Book is just working too hard. She was surprised when I mentioned that The Book isn't chosen by God and the decree brought down from Heaven on the wings of seraphim: teachers choose them, and they must be able to justify why that particular book and not a similar one.


* She did a year in a one-room school after graduating from Normal School, but the job came with the graduation. Her two other teaching jobs were in "academies" helping people prepare the local equivalent of the GED.
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We were looking for a new director for a major field research/education station. This place had over 40 employees, researchers coming in from all over the world, a wide variety of wet and dry lab facilities, flume chambers, molecular biology lab, major and minor research vessels, a massive seawater system, etc. It also ran university level undergrad and grad courses for 8 months of the year, and had accommodation for 80 students (in addition to accommodation for visiting researchers).

The appointment is a tenured faculty position at the level of Dean of Science. Responsibilities include running the entire place, supervising the management team, running your own research lab with graduate students and post-docs and obtaining tens of millions of dollars in annual grants from various levels of government to keep the place operational.

We had a guy apply who had run a fishing lodge. Grade 10 education. He was convinced that the job was basically like running a hotel (he had seen the dorms and cafeteria), and he was more than qualified.
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We also had a person who was only employed at my job for a month, mainly because after a month of normal job hours (40 hours a week) and being an overall great employee they suddenly requested to only work 32 hours a week. Now she was a single mother so if they had requested it so they could care for their child that would have been accepted, however they simply stated they wanted to only work 32 hours a week "to force my ex to pay me more in child support". After that was denied she quit the job presumably to find somebody to accommodate that request.
I've known a few people that requested fewer hours to stay under the poverty level and get insurance through the state/welfare. My back of the envelope math says she could work 20 hours a week and get really good insurance through the state or work an extra 20 hours per week, take home the same amount and get a high deductible plan through us.
For the moment, lets assume she gets everything done that we need her to get done. There's not a whole lot of incentive for her to work those extra hours and it saves us a ton of money as well. Between not paying part of her insurance and not paying her an extra 20 hours per week, it reduces our costs by nearly 30k per year.
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Can I expand this to students with unrealistic expectations? I run the Emergency Medicine rotation for medical students. Had one guy ask if he could work only days. Um, no. Not only should common sense tell you the the ED is a 24/7 experience, the course description says that nights and weekends are required. Besides which, if you’re looking for a days only specialty choice for your career why is EM on your list at all?
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Being an office of the Federal Government, redundant employees are typically shuffled to another part of the agency that needs them rather than terminated. One of these reassignments I helped train needed every little thing explained to him multiple times. In writing because he's deaf.

It got to the point where some of us started to suspect that he was using his disability and religion (Hindu) to get away with shit.
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Being an office of the Federal Government, redundant employees are typically shuffled to another part of the agency that needs them rather than terminated. One of these reassignments I helped train needed every little thing explained to him multiple times. In writing because he's deaf.
Doesn't the in writing requirement make it easy, though? Every time he asks that something be explained again, just copy and paste the earlier explanation.
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I've known a few people that requested fewer hours to stay under the poverty level and get insurance through the state/welfare. My back of the envelope math says she could work 20 hours a week and get really good insurance through the state or work an extra 20 hours per week, take home the same amount and get a high deductible plan through us.
For the moment, lets assume she gets everything done that we need her to get done. There's not a whole lot of incentive for her to work those extra hours and it saves us a ton of money as well. Between not paying part of her insurance and not paying her an extra 20 hours per week, it reduces our costs by nearly 30k per year.
I had one guy who literally did not want to come to work. He had his own business and he said he could make more working a day there than he made working a day at his job. So he figured it was a better use of his time to spend every day at his business and never show up for his job. He agreed that under those circumstances it was reasonable that we wouldn't pay him his wages. But he wanted to officially stay on the payroll so he could keep his insurance benefits.
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Not Halloween, but another "you gotta be kidding me" holiday, maybe St Patricks Day.
Until quite recently, state workers in Massachusetts had St. Paddy's Day off. Only it was called Evacuation Day. Unfortunately they have now done away with this charming practice.
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Doesn't the in writing requirement make it easy, though? Every time he asks that something be explained again, just copy and paste the earlier explanation.
We didn't have that technology 20 years ago.

ETA: we didn't even have software which could rotate faxes that our computers received upside-down.

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I was managing a Video Game store when The Season rolled around, and we hired a double-handful of seasonal employees. Mostly high-school students, some better than--no, they all sucked. Didn't realize that in order to have a job, you needed to show up, didn't know that when you showed up, you had to work, etc.

One stood out.

Not being able to find anything else for him to do, I asked him to return cases to the wall, in alphabetical order. He asked -- keep in mind, he was a senior in high school, 18 years old -- if "R" came before or after "V." After answering, I jokingly reminded him there was a song about it. His response?

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Oh, after the letter "M," I just hummed it.


After that, he was our greeter until he ghosted us.
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In a prior life, I worked for a manufacturing company doing sales support for their Russian offices (four reps and a country manager in Moscow, one in St. Petersburg, and one in Novosibirsk). It was the mid-1990s, and doing business as a Western company in Russia was interesting in the best of circumstances, but we didnít have the best of circumstances.

Finally the country manager talked the head office (my boss) into letting him hire an admin assistant. He found someone who looked great on paper. Too good, in fact, for the salary they were offering, especially for someone with fluent English (my boss had insisted on fluent English, although he would basically never need to talk to her directly and everyone else on the Russian team was at least semi-bilingual, as well as several of us in the head office).

Well, we quickly found out why this new assistant had been job hunting in spite of the shortage of fluent English speakers then. She spent half of her U.S. product training week trying to figure out how to register for the Visa Lottery. And when she got back to Moscow, she started doing things like not coming to work because of the snow. In Moscow. In the winter.
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A small defense for the people who don't know which holidays you get off: the set of "standard" federal holidays is about half days that are commonly celebrated by lots of people (Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving, July 4th), and half randomish Mondays to honor an important individual or group that are not widely celebrated as events (Columbus Day, Labor Day, MLK's birthday, etc.)

If you've never had a job that has paid holidays, it's not at all obvious that you'd get Columbus Day off but not Halloween.
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A small defense for the people who don't know which holidays you get off: the set of "standard" federal holidays is about half days that are commonly celebrated by lots of people (Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving, July 4th), and half randomish Mondays to honor an important individual or group that are not widely celebrated as events (Columbus Day, Labor Day, MLK's birthday, etc.)

If you've never had a job that has paid holidays, it's not at all obvious that you'd get Columbus Day off but not Halloween.
Has anyone in history ever gotten Halloween off though? Schools don't get it off (which is where most people get their idea of "off" holidays from) and most people would be already off work by the time Halloween festivities started.
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Has anyone in history ever gotten Halloween off though? Schools don't get it off (which is where most people get their idea of "off" holidays from) and most people would be already off work by the time Halloween festivities started.
In parochial schools, you got the next day off. (So you could eat all the candy, and get sick at home, not in school, I guess.) And it was pretty common either to get out early on Halloween, or to spend the last half of the school day in a class party.

So I can see why a lot of people think of Halloween as a holiday. Almost as big as Christmas.

(Plus, to a computer guy, Oct 31 = Dec 25.)
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It got to the point where some of us started to suspect that he was using his disability and religion (Hindu) to get away with shit.
I worked with an engineer (no clue how he graduated) who used race and his friendship with the engineer union rep to keep from getting fired for years. They just shuffled him from one office to another, till one boss finally started keeping records. He told me about the last straw, and that waste of oxygen was finally terminated. Last I heard, he was working at Home Depot.
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Hijack: what's a lake management company?
It's a company that treats lakes and ponds to keep them from clogging up with algae and weeds. The guy that treats our lake does it for a lot of housing developments and businesses that have lakes. I'd think doing golf course lakes would be the same. There's a lot to know and it's easy to over treat or under treat. It's kind of like a lawn service company.
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OK, thanks. I thought of lakes as natural bodies of water that are essentially unmanaged.
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In parochial schools, you got the next day off. (So you could eat all the candy, and get sick at home, not in school, I guess.) And it was pretty common either to get out early on Halloween, or to spend the last half of the school day in a class party.

So I can see why a lot of people think of Halloween as a holiday. Almost as big as Christmas.

(Plus, to a computer guy, Oct 31 = Dec 25.)
October 31 is Nevada Day, commemorating the anniversary of the state joining the union. State employees get Nevada Day off (observed the last Friday in October) instead of Columbus Day.
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actually, several "Wiccans" tried that in high school saying Halloween was a "religious" holiday it didn't work ...

And school districts in la used to only do half days for Dia de Los Muertos aka day of the dead


And the k-8th district does give the monday after easter off as an "instructional" day
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I've known a few people that requested fewer hours to stay under the poverty level and get insurance through the state/welfare. My back of the envelope math says she could work 20 hours a week and get really good insurance through the state or work an extra 20 hours per week, take home the same amount and get a high deductible plan through us.
For the moment, lets assume she gets everything done that we need her to get done. There's not a whole lot of incentive for her to work those extra hours and it saves us a ton of money as well. Between not paying part of her insurance and not paying her an extra 20 hours per week, it reduces our costs by nearly 30k per year.
Also a Social Security issue for early retirees. My mom took hers at 62 while she was working 3 part-time seasonal jobs. So at the time, whatever she got combined with unemployment and what she was allowed to make without reducing her Social Security was just enough to get by. She was offered a full-time year-round job with the agreement that she wouldn't be working anything close to 40 hours.
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I had one guy who literally did not want to come to work. He had his own business and he said he could make more working a day there than he made working a day at his job. So he figured it was a better use of his time to spend every day at his business and never show up for his job. He agreed that under those circumstances it was reasonable that we wouldn't pay him his wages. But he wanted to officially stay on the payroll so he could keep his insurance benefits.
I work at a job that a lot of people only have for the insurance. There are a lot of small business owners, restaurateurs, real estate investors, ebay flippers, etc. Then some people who do the whole Uber/gig economy thing. The problem for most is when we have mandatory 60 hour weeks, which used to be rare during peak season but are now common and only require 24 hours notice for working on your day off. When I started it was the opposite - so many voluntary days/weeks off and unpaid personal leaves in use that you could be fulltime and barely work, also a lot of SNAP/Medicaid qualifiers.
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A small defense for the people who don't know which holidays you get off: the set of "standard" federal holidays is about half days that are commonly celebrated by lots of people (Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving, July 4th), and half randomish Mondays to honor an important individual or group that are not widely celebrated as events (Columbus Day, Labor Day, MLK's birthday, etc.)

If you've never had a job that has paid holidays, it's not at all obvious that you'd get Columbus Day off but not Halloween.
I don't get any holidays off that fall on a regular work day but I get holiday pay plus time and a half (obviously I am an hourly worker) for 6 holidays. Columbus day is not one of them. Labor Day (which, along with Memorial Day, certainly IS celebrated by many people) is.
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