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Old 09-06-2019, 03:16 AM
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"New" Cities in science fiction


Prompted by the city/colony of New Portland on tbe (pretty lousy) series Pandora. Lots of examples out there, let's make list.

(To clarify, it can be a whole planet/moon and not just a city, but if the name you give is not in the form of the word "New" (or other language equivalent, such as "Nova") followed by the name of an existing real Earth city, then it is off-topic for this thread.)

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So, like, New New York is in, but New London and New Crobuzon are out?
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Old 09-06-2019, 03:23 AM
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New New York, from Futurama.
The completely different New New York, from Doctor Who.
Neo Tokyo, from AKIRA.

(The first and third are, granted, the original cities rebuilt, but...they fit the spirit, I would say.)
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Old 09-06-2019, 03:25 AM
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So, like, New New York is in, but New London and New Crobuzon are out?
Why would New London be out?
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Why would New London be out?
Real city. Though there may be a fictional New London as well?

OK, in an old Tex Murphy video game he lives in New San Francisco.
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Old 09-06-2019, 03:50 AM
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"Steelheart" by Brandon Sanderson has Newcago, which is short for New Chicago.
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:39 AM
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Real city.
Ahah...never heard of it, before, obviously.

(Checking, there strangely doesn't seem to be any significant fictional New London.)
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Seems to me that there could be more than one New London, each named after the original London in England. And a New New London.

Doctor Who got carried away with this and at one point the Doctor and companion visited New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New York.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:22 AM
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Pretty sure they only visited New New York (twice), though the Doctor mentioned New (x♾) York during the visit.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:54 AM
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"New New York" was the short version of the name of the city on New Earth - the full name had the fifteen "new's" but it was awkward to say so everyone abbreviated it. So it's all the same city.
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Old 09-06-2019, 07:00 AM
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Cyberpunk 2020 (role playing game) had Night City in the Free State of Northern California voted worse place to live in America in 2077.
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The early setting is in orbit around the planet of New Chicago. It has one more, Evanston. The origin of the moon's name is obscure.
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Not a specific sci-fi story but a collective modern popular fantasy, the secret Nazi base in Antarctica that none of us know about is sometimes called New Berlin [or at least that's the name that it's not shown on the secret maps we have never seen].

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New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New York.
The town so nice, they named it ... fifteen times?
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New Moscow.
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Star Trek has a New Berlin on the moon.

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Cyberpunk 2020 (role playing game) had Night City in the Free State of Northern California voted worse place to live in America in 2077.
Aaaand, the first person to provide an answer utterly unrelated to the OP even though I was very explicit about the topic.
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Nothing will ever beat Cartman and a pack of sea otters riding into New New Hampshire on a flock of ostriches.

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There is a New Vanuatu (settlement) in the Mars Trilogy but Vanuatu is a country not a city.
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I'm especially interested in uses of small or obscure cites. For instance, if somebody used something like New Dubuque.

(Real world example, this weekend I discovered by passing by the failed colony of New Bordeaux, SC.)
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Star Trek has a New Berlin on the moon.
Wisconsin has a New Berlin on the interstate.
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Wisconsin has a New Berlin on the interstate.
And Minnesota has New Prague and New Ulm, neither of which is pronounced correctly by the locals.

In ST: TNG, the disappearance of New Providence colony marked the first Borg incursion into Federation territory.
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In ST: TNG, the disappearance of New Providence colony marked the first Borg incursion into Federation territory.
But it's presumably named after New Providence which is not named after any place called Providence.

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But it's presumably named after New Providence which is not named after any place called Providence.
Last time I looked, Providence was the capital of Rhode Island:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence,_Rhode_Island

If New Providence had been named after New Providence, it would have been New New Providence.
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In Sm Stirling's Conquistador one of the Family seats, founded by a guy named Sol Perlmutter, in named New Brooklyn. He' wanted to name it The New Lower East Side, but was talked out of it by the other Families. It's near what was the location of San Franciscoon in what The Settlerss called First Side.
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If New Providence had been named after New Providence, it would have been New New Providence.
Or Newer Providence.
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New Dresden is a city on the moon in John Varley's Eight Worlds stories.
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And Minnesota has New Prague and New Ulm, neither of which is pronounced correctly by the locals.

In ST: TNG, the disappearance of New Providence colony marked the first Borg incursion into Federation territory.
That's fine; New Berlin isn't pronounced New Berlin. It's New Burr-lin. The lin is very short and the first syllable is accented.
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The city of New Glasgow is namechecked in Julian May's Pliocine Exiles books (it's where Aiken Drum hopes to offload his loot when he goes burgling at age 15)
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New New York, from Futurama.
The completely different New New York, from Doctor Who.
Neo Tokyo, from AKIRA.

(The first and third are, granted, the original cities rebuilt, but...they fit the spirit, I would say.)
Nueva Nueva York from Delany's Babel 17.
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Last time I looked, Providence was the capital of Rhode Island:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence,_Rhode_Island

If New Providence had been named after New Providence, it would have been New New Providence.
Perhaps. But it's also very common to name a new city after an existing city without adding "New" to it. There are more places in the US named Paris than New Paris.
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Perhaps. But it's also very common to name a new city after an existing city without adding "New" to it. There are more places in the US named Paris than New Paris.
I wouldn't know. It's never occurred to me to investigate how many of each there are.
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Believe it or not...there's a wiki pagespecifically listing examples of New New Yorks.

One of them is from Bradbury's "The Martian Chronicles," which is the first example that came to my mind—a Google Books search indicates there was also a "New Chicago" in the same book, though I could've sworn there were a couple of more similar (and chintzy) examples from the same. But, it's been a couple of decades since I've read it.
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And Minnesota has New Prague and New Ulm, neither of which is pronounced correctly by the locals.
How do the locals pronounce them? Reminds me of Cairo and Cuba, Illinois, pronounced "care-oh" and "koobah".
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How do the locals pronounce them? Reminds me of Cairo and Cuba, Illinois, pronounced "care-oh" and "koobah".
The Prague in the Czech Republic is "Prag." At least, this is what Czechs (and other Europeans) say when they're speaking English. (The Czech word for Prague is "PRA-ha.") In Minnesota, it's "Prayge."

In German, Ulm is (more or less) "Ooolm." In Minnesota, it's just "Ulm."
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How do the locals pronounce them? Reminds me of Cairo and Cuba, Illinois, pronounced "care-oh" and "koobah".
There's also New Madrid, Missouri, which in the town itself is said "Noo MAH-drid" with the accent on a different syllable than the original Madrid in Spain.

I suspect some of these odd-sounding re-namings in the US resulted from people picking names out of a history book or newspaper or something who had never actually heard them pronounced before, so they made their best guess and it stuck.
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Dan Simmons' Hyperion/Endymion books feature planets by the name of New Mecca and Nuevo Madrid.
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Aaaand, the first person to provide an answer utterly unrelated to the OP even though I was very explicit about the topic.
So instead of just ignoring it you felt the need to be an asshole about it. God bless you, Darren. You're not the hero we deserve but you're the hero we need.
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So instead of just ignoring it you felt the need to be an asshole about it. God bless you, Darren. You're not the hero we deserve but you're the hero we need.
Is it too much to ask for someone to actually read the subject of the thread before responding?
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New Chicago in Buck Rogers
Also, New Manhattan and New Phoenix.
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I was just re-watching an episode of Babylon 5 and there was a passing reference to a New Vegas.
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In Joe Haldeman's Worlds trilogy, New New York is the largest human offworld colony, built inside a mined, hollowed-out asteroid and moved into Earth orbit.

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Star Trek has a New Berlin on the moon.
Some other ST examples:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Brooklyn_IX
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_France_colony
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Gaul
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Lagos
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Manhattan
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Mecca
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Paris
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Sausalito
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Seattle
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Sydney
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Vegas_colony

They did that a lot. terentii mentioned the ill-fated New Providence colony already.

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How do the locals pronounce them? Reminds me of Cairo and Cuba, Illinois, pronounced "care-oh" and "koobah".
The first sounded more like "KAY-ro" to me when I was there.
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