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Liking the Jurassic Parks popping up all across Canada. There was one in TO suburb (or independent city or whatever the hell you call it) Mississauga with a turnout of 20,000.
Mississauga is its own city, not part of Toronto. It is, however, immediately adjacent to Toronto (to the west) and so in a human geographical sense it's part of the Toronto sprawl.

It's a very big city, with well over three quarters of a million people; I am pretty sure it's the largest city in either Canada or the US that effectively serves as a suburb of a larger city. The center of the city is a huge mall, which should give you a flavor of what the city's like.

I am sure there is a geopolitical reason for this, but Toronto's suburban satellites are few in number and huge in population, as compared to U.S. cities, which tend to have a much, much larger number of small cities. In additional to Mississauga, Toronto is also orbited by Brampton, with over half a million people, Markham with over 350,000, Vaughan over 300,000, and a few around 200,000 like Oakville, Burlington, and Oshawa. By comparison it feels like Chicago or Boston are surrounded by a hundred little cities between 50 and 100 thousand people, if not smaller.
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Getting bad vibes of the 2001 NBA Finals. The underdog Sixers getting an upset win over the heavily favored and hated Lakers in Game 1, people suddenly fancying Philadelphia's chances, and then the Lakers easily reeling off four consecutive wins anyway to take the series 4-1.

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The 2001 Sixers were a really weird team that kind of fluked their way into the Finals, and I'm not sure they are a great comparison to the 2019 Raptors. That said the Warriors certainly could win three more straight games.
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I don't think the 76ers "fluked" their way into the Finals; they were scrappy on offense and played pretty tenaciously on defense. Allen Iverson went off, as I recall. The problem is that at a time when half-court ball was the game, the Lakers dominated the half-court game.

I don't see any comparisons between this series in 2001. A better comparison might be the 2016 Warriors vs Cavs, which the Cavs ultimately won but could have gone either way, really. Now if Durant comes back and can play effectively, then I think the Warriors have a clear edge. But it's far from certain that this will happen. Without Durant, I think the series will likely go 7 games and either team could win.
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More that the East was much weaker in 2001, and the Lakers just outclassed everyone, including a Spurs team with Duncan in his prime.
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Sounds like Looney is out for the series now, with an injury I don’t think I’ve ever heard of before (“right upper body fracture of the first costal cartilage”). Maybe the Warriors can withstand all these injuries, but there has to come a point where it’s too much. This is now significant injuries to KD, Looney, Boogie, Klay, and Iggy.
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More that the East was much weaker in 2001, and the Lakers just outclassed everyone, including a Spurs team with Duncan in his prime.
That 2001 Lakers team was a beast. If we had a "Sweet 16" of the greatest NBA champs going at it March Madness style, I would not be shocked if they were the betting favorite to win it all.
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I mean, now I want to know what that bracket would look like.
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I mean, now I want to know what that bracket would look like.
So I couldn't resist. Proposed Sweet Sixteen, seedings by regular season record:

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1995-96 Chicago Bulls (1) vs. 1988-89 Detroit Pistons (8)
1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers (2) vs. 1964-65 Boston Celtics (7)
1985-86 Boston Celtics (3) vs. 1982-83 Philadelphia 76ers (6)
1970-71 Milwaukee Bucks (4) vs. 2012-13 Miami Heat (5)

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1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers (2) vs. 2010-2011 Dallas Mavericks (7)
1999-2000 Los Angeles Lakers (3) vs. 1993-94 Houston Rockets (6)
2013-2014 San Antonio Spurs (4) vs. 1986-87 Los Angeles Lakers (5)

In the East, I'm picking the '96 Bulls and '86 Celtics to take their respective matchups easily; the '13 Heat obviously obliterate the much slower Bucks and the '65 Celtics beat the '67 Sixers. East final is Jordan vs. LeBron, but more importantly Pippen vs. Wade and Rodman vs. Bosh. Bulls win.

In the west, all four initial favorites advance, but holy cow would I pay a lot of money to see the Spurs play the Showtime Lakers in a seven games series. The Shaqkobe Lakers edge their older selves, while the Warriors probably (though not certainly!) take down the Spurs. Good as the modern Warriors are, they have absolutely no answer for prime Shaq.

Sets up a final of 1999-2000 Lakers vs. 1995-96 Bulls. Jordan and Rodman harass Kobe into extinction, and the Bulls rotating gang of anonymous talentless giants foul Shaq about a hundred times in seven games. The entire series comes down to O'Neal's foul shooting. Bulls win.
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Sounds like Looney is out for the series now, with an injury I don’t think I’ve ever heard of before (“right upper body fracture of the first costal cartilage”).
I heard he broke his collarbone but Wikipedia says that's a very different thing.
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Klay’s not playing tonight. Toronto better take their chance.
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Earlier today on https://www.oddsshark.com the Warriors were favored by 4.5. That’s down a half point from yesterday.

Right now, the spread is down to 3.
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So Toronto wins a must win game against severely depleted Dubs. Raptors got to the rim at will, and Warriors weren't able to have a solid 2nd option.
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3-1! 3-1! 3-1!

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So hard to get a handle on this series. Tonight it felt at first like Toronto should’ve been running away with it, but they weren’t. Then it felt like GS were going to have one of their runs, but Toronto didn’t wilt.

Here’s what I’d like to see now. Klay and maybe Durant come back for game 4, but they’re still somewhat hampered, and the Raptors win. So Toronto goes up 3-1, but the Warriors return to something close to full strength for game 5.
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I think it is pretty clear the Warriors are gonna lose this series unless they get at least one of KD or Klay back. They simply aren't strong enough to beat Toronto with both of them out. If they get ONE back, they have a chance, albeit not a really great one. If they get both back (close to healthy) starting in Game 4, I'd say it's 50-50 they can win three out of four.

The fact the Warriors were actually the favourite going into last night's game with both Klay and KD out is just insane. In no rational way did that make sense. These aren't the Raptors of 2017.
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This series is beginning to remind me eerily of the 1989 Finals between Detroit and Los Angeles. It seemed like a great match-up at first until injuries started taking their toll, with Detroit's "Bad Boys" eventually completing the 4-0 sweep. There's no sweep obviously, but if KD and Klay are out, it could be a 4-1 series.
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So Toronto wins a must win game against severely depleted Dubs. Raptors got to the rim at will, and Warriors weren't able to have a solid 2nd option.
Since 2017, I've felt that the Warriors could win even without one of the big three, though KD was without question the most important of those three and the worst one to lose. But losing 2 of the big 3 (KD, Klay, Curry) is a tall order. Curry can have a monster game and it won't matter unless the Raptors start piling up injuries of their own.
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I think it is pretty clear the Warriors are gonna lose this series unless they get at least one of KD or Klay back. They simply aren't strong enough to beat Toronto with both of them out. If they get ONE back, they have a chance, albeit not a really great one. If they get both back (close to healthy) starting in Game 4, I'd say it's 50-50 they can win three out of four.

The fact the Warriors were actually the favourite going into last night's game with both Klay and KD out is just insane. In no rational way did that make sense. These aren't the Raptors of 2017.
I’d agree, generally. I’d be a little bit surprised if Durant was even 100% effective. My hunch is that there would be an emotional boost for the game he comes back that would dissipate as time goes on as he won’t be at full strength.

For Klay, history suggests that if he were physically able to play, he absolutely would. That says he is actually in real discomfort. Even if he comes back next game, I can’t imagine him being at full strength either.

So the question they need to ask themselves (Warriors) is what percentage of Klay and Durant would be an added value situation. Based on last game, the number is rapidly decreasing. If I were Vegas, the series needs to be somewhat in the vicinity of even money, no?

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So I couldn't resist. Proposed Sweet Sixteen, seedings by regular season record:

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1995-96 Chicago Bulls (1) vs. 1988-89 Detroit Pistons (8)
1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers (2) vs. 1964-65 Boston Celtics (7)
1985-86 Boston Celtics (3) vs. 1982-83 Philadelphia 76ers (6)
1970-71 Milwaukee Bucks (4) vs. 2012-13 Miami Heat (5)

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2015-16 Golden State Warriors (1) vs. 1976-77 Portland Trail Blazers (8)
1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers (2) vs. 2010-2011 Dallas Mavericks (7)
1999-2000 Los Angeles Lakers (3) vs. 1993-94 Houston Rockets (6)
2013-2014 San Antonio Spurs (4) vs. 1986-87 Los Angeles Lakers (5)

In the East, I'm picking the '96 Bulls and '86 Celtics to take their respective matchups easily; the '13 Heat obviously obliterate the much slower Bucks and the '65 Celtics beat the '67 Sixers. East final is Jordan vs. LeBron, but more importantly Pippen vs. Wade and Rodman vs. Bosh. Bulls win.

In the west, all four initial favorites advance, but holy cow would I pay a lot of money to see the Spurs play the Showtime Lakers in a seven games series. The Shaqkobe Lakers edge their older selves, while the Warriors probably (though not certainly!) take down the Spurs. Good as the modern Warriors are, they have absolutely no answer for prime Shaq.

Sets up a final of 1999-2000 Lakers vs. 1995-96 Bulls. Jordan and Rodman harass Kobe into extinction, and the Bulls rotating gang of anonymous talentless giants foul Shaq about a hundred times in seven games. The entire series comes down to O'Neal's foul shooting. Bulls win.
I think the 2016-17 Warriors (with Kevin Durant) were better than the 2015-16 squad. They were also better than the 2018 team that barely survived Houston.

And the 2000-2001 Lakers were better than the team the year before, possibly the best Lakers team in their organization's history, although I have fond memories of the 1985 Lakers destroying the Celtics.

The Spurs of 2013-14 were good, but so were the Spurs of 2006-2007. Wouldn't know which Spurs team to take: a younger trio of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker, or a very, very deep and well-rounded team in 2014 that crushed the 2-time defending champs.

The Bulls team of 1995-1996 is probably the best I've ever seen. I think they're particularly good because I think they probably could have adjusted to the high-scoring game that exists today. The Bulls played a half-court game but I feel that their game was designed to be flexible. A team like the Warriors would probably wear the Shaquille/Kobe Lakers out, but not the Bulls.
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I’d agree, generally. I’d be a little bit surprised if Durant was even 100% effective. My hunch is that there would be an emotional boost for the game he comes back that would dissipate as time goes on as he won’t be at full strength.

For Klay, history suggests that if he were physically able to play, he absolutely would. That says he is actually in real discomfort. Even if he comes back next game, I can’t imagine him being at full strength either.

So the question they need to ask themselves (Warriors) is what percentage of Klay and Durant would be an added value situation. Based on last game, the number is rapidly decreasing. If I were Vegas, the series needs to be somewhat in the vicinity of even money, no?
Hamstring injuries are bad in any sport, but they're crippling in basketball. I just remember Magic Johnson coming up lame in game one of the 1989 Finals and thinking "Congrats, Bad Boys."
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Toronto, while definitely playing good basketball, has really benefitted from injuries... A healthy Embiid would have likely given the Sixers a 4-1 or 4-2 series win, and a healthy Durant and Thompson would likely give the Warriors a 4-1 or 4-2 series win
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Yeah and imagine if the Raptors were fully healthy as well.
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No team's fully healthy in June, but the Raptors are as reasonably close as one can realistically hope for. Leonard's limping but still better than almost anyone. OG Anuoby is available, though they're not using him it seems. Chris Boucher had a bad back and I'm sure not what his status is but it should say a lot about his importance to the Raptors that no one is reporting on how he feels. Golden State's injuries are more, well, injurious.

Injuries are just a part of sports. It happens. Staying healthy is a part of athletics, not a separate happenstance. If you can't answer the bell, that's how it is.
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Durant is ruled out for game 4. Really running out of time for him to get back at all, never mind playing at 100%. This game 4 is really setting up as a great game now; it almost feels like a must win for both teams. GS doesn't want to go down 3-1, and Toronto needs to try to end things without giving the Warriors more time to recover.
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I'd say it's more important for Golden State; Toronto could lose and still win the series without winning another road game. Golden State will be in a dreadful spot if they fall behind 3-1. But in a seven game series they're all important.

Losing Durant for another game is not good, obviously. Toronto has simply been the better team so far and the easiest way for the Warriors to fix that would be adding Kevin Durant to the rotation.
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Yes, probably it's more important for Golden State. I'm still going with the assumption that GS would be back to something like full strength for game 6 or 7, so Toronto's best chance is to win now. They probably have a better chance to win game 4 than game 6, and a better chance to win game 5 than game 7.

I'm also getting an impression that their injuries are making Golden State not take the Raptors quite so seriously as they should. There's a bit of "game 3 was a write-off without Klay, so we'll be fine when he's back" in some of their interviews. I remember in 2016 I didn't believe they'd really lose to Cleveland until the very end of game 7, and I can picture something similar here. It could be an even game tomorrow night, with everyone expecting the Warriors to go on one of their runs, but it doesn't happen and suddenly everyone realizing they might just be done for.
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Liking this stat: in 99 play-off games over the last five years, The Warriors have allowed their opponents better than 50% shooting just ten times (and going 2 - 8 in that spell). The Raps have already shot over 50% in two out of these last three play-off games, which has no bearing whatsoever on the absence of Durant and Thompson.
Far-out, man.

Saw an ice-wrap on Durant, but it was way down closer to his foot, as opposed to up on his calf. I only play a doctor on TV, but I'm going with Achilles, here.
Which tells me, no - not a snowflake's chance in Hades he's coming back in this series, even if it goes to seven.

I'm in no way convinced the Warriors can muster enough D to win this. Curry, himself, acknowledged that offense alone won't win a championship.

Buddy in front row who shoved Lowry and then twice told him to go fuck himself is a GS investor and member of the team's executive board and has been banned from the NBA for a year, fined $300,000, and will most likely have to sell his shares before next season's start. My only takeaway from that is Thank Og they make courtside seats with "give", orelse, let's face it, the woman in yellow could very well have ended up in hospital. Give it a couple of looks.
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I'm also getting an impression that their injuries are making Golden State not take the Raptors quite so seriously as they should.
I believe many fans and media personalities have failed to really understand how good the Raptors are. I do not for an instant think the Warriors themselves have been under any misapprehension at all. I think they take the Raptors very seriously indeed.

Prior to the series starting one media outlet quoted an unnamed Warriors player as saying "why the fuck are we such big favourites?" They're consummate pros and defending champs and you don't get that if you're in the habit of taking opponents lightly. Steve Kerr would ball-punch anyone who did that.

"Well, Game 3 was a writeoff but Klay will be back" is just staying optimistic.
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There's a certain sports "political correctness" whereby the favored team pretends to give lip service to the underdog "yeah they are good and we don't take them for granted" while deep down feeling totally assured of victory. But in this case the Warriors did take the Raptors seriously, I think - at any rate, certainly after Game 1.
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Buddy in front row who shoved Lowry and then twice told him to go fuck himself is a GS investor and member of the team's executive board and has been banned from the NBA for a year, fined $300,000, and will most likely have to sell his shares before next season's start.
This fan/investor/owner/whatever guy is definitely an asshole and deserved to be removed from the game and banned for a year. I'd even be cool with a lifetime ban and definitely agree he should sell his shares. But a $300k fine? That's pretty damn steep. I mean I gotta say, for that kind of money I would expect a full blown punch in the face or something. Probably this dude can afford it, but still, that's a lot of money.
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But a $300k fine? That's pretty damn steep. I mean I gotta say, for that kind of money I would expect a full blown punch in the face or something. Probably this dude can afford it, but still, that's a lot of money.
Then you're really not going to like that the fine was actually $500K.

But without knowing how big an investor he is and how rich he is, I can't say if that's overly steep or just enough to make it hurt.
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He's a billionaire. His stake in the Warriors alone is worth more than $200 million. He can probably pay it off by rooting around in his couch for spare change.
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He's a billionaire. His stake in the Warriors alone is worth more than $200 million. He can probably pay it off by rooting around in his couch for spare change.
$2.3 billion dollars net worth. And you could bet that if Lowry had shoved a fan he'd be getting a proportionately higher fine relative to Lowry's own net worth.
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Earlier in the year Utah banned a fan for life for saying racist things directed at Russell Westbrook.

A lifetime ban for admittedly horrific racism, but only a year for actual physical contact, by someone who should know better? My guess is that if the guy hadn't been a part owner of the team, he'd be banned from NBA games for life.

It's a bullshit double standard, but ones many Americans seem to be okay with.
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Earlier in the year Utah banned a fan for life for saying racist things directed at Russell Westbrook.

A lifetime ban for admittedly horrific racism, but only a year for actual physical contact, by someone who should know better? My guess is that if the guy hadn't been a part owner of the team, he'd be banned from NBA games for life.

It's a bullshit double standard, but ones many Americans seem to be okay with.
It's not just Americans, but it works that way in many countries. The Haves vs the Have Nots. It's human nature, really.
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When I saw the video of the shove, I was pretty surprised as what a light thing it was. The way people reacted - I didn't see it in real time - I thought he'd stood up and really SHOVED Lowry.

The punishment they've meted out is quite enough.
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When I saw the video of the shove, I was pretty surprised as what a light thing it was. The way people reacted - I didn't see it in real time - I thought he'd stood up and really SHOVED Lowry.

The punishment they've meted out is quite enough.
Good to know, thanks. I didn't see it, but with what you said I'll look for a video.

I was responding more to the bullshit double standard comment and not to if the punishment was too light for the offense.
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Then you're really not going to like that the fine was actually $500K.

But without knowing how big an investor he is and how rich he is, I can't say if that's overly steep or just enough to make it hurt.
Pfft, hey not my money. But like RickJay, I had heard and read about the incident before I saw footage and frankly, although I agree it was bad and he should be punished severely, the shove was much weaker than I was expecting.
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Saw the vid just now. Like others, I'd heard about it beforehand, on news radio.

The shove was light, certainly, but Mark Stevens the shover instigated it. He went out of his way to reach over and shove Kyle Lowry, and he reportedly included a few epithets -- F bombs is what I heard on the news.

This has no place in basketball by any team owner. The guy is a punk and a jerk. I know little about him (I did read his Wikipedia page) but will speculate that he's a rich punk who thinks he can do what he wants because he feels like an important person.

Stevens is a jerk. And a chicken shit stupid ass -- notice how he flinched away from Lowry right after shoving him? If that happened on a street court, Lowry might well have kicked the shit out of Stevens, and deservedly so.
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The Raps have already shot over 50% in two out of these last three play-off games, which has no bearing whatsoever on the absence of Durant and Thompson.
Heh, I couldn't be wronger than wrong as wrong (like, really fucking wrong): in games one and two, Thompson guarded Leonard 44 times, who put up four shots, and if Durant can be effective covering LeBron, then he'd probably would've come in handy on D as well.
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Earlier in the year Utah banned a fan for life for saying racist things directed at Russell Westbrook.

A lifetime ban for admittedly horrific racism, but only a year for actual physical contact, by someone who should know better? My guess is that if the guy hadn't been a part owner of the team, he'd be banned from NBA games for life.

It's a bullshit double standard, but ones many Americans seem to be okay with.
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It's not just Americans, but it works that way in many countries. The Haves vs the Have Nots. It's human nature, really.
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When I saw the video of the shove, I was pretty surprised as what a light thing it was. The way people reacted - I didn't see it in real time - I thought he'd stood up and really SHOVED Lowry.

The punishment they've meted out is quite enough.
In light of the fact that a) this guy is an owner and 2) the precedent has been set for years, I disagree and think the punishment meted out is not enough. People are seeing this now through the lens of equality and fairness: Equal treatment means more than just a suspension.
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“A guy like that, showing his true class, he shouldn’t be a part of our league,” Lowry said. “There’s just no place for that.”

A lot of other people agree, including the very players who most nights ply their craft on a 94-by-50 foot piece of hardwood surrounded by thousands of fans crammed in as closely as can be.

They’re on display like in no other sport, close enough for fans to chat with them and close enough to touch. But that doesn’t mean cursing at them, and it doesn’t mean shoving them when they happen to come your way.

The average fan understands that, for the most part. That’s a big reason why there haven’t been more incidents over the years.

The fact a billionaire investor in the team couldn’t figure it out is baffling at best, sheer arrogance at worst. Fortunately, though, there is a solution.

Make the suspension indefinite. Force Stevens to sell his stake in the Warriors.

Make a statement with a punishment everyone will understand.
So the NBA really does have a chance to show the country that wrong is wrong and will not be tolerated... or they can show the country that enough money can buy you out of anything.

It's up to the NBA.
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When I saw the video of the shove, I was pretty surprised as what a light thing it was. The way people reacted - I didn't see it in real time - I thought he'd stood up and really SHOVED Lowry.

The punishment they've meted out is quite enough.
Doesn't matter. You can heckle players, but you can't lay hands on them. And the same goes the other direction. Putting hands on someone is assault, regardless of whether it's a shove, a push, or whatever. Lowry would be within his rights to have the man arrested, if he wished.

You're right about the punishment.

So now the Raptors took two from GS at home and it's 3-1. I think this one is all but over.

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Oops, spoke too soon. I thought the game was over, but it's in the 4th quarter with 9 minutes left.
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Nice job Raps, time to wrap it up at home court next week.
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Woot!
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I remember in 2016 I didn't believe they'd really lose to Cleveland until the very end of game 7, and I can picture something similar here. It could be an even game tomorrow night, with everyone expecting the Warriors to go on one of their runs, but it doesn't happen and suddenly everyone realizing they might just be done for.
I'm going to count this as a correct prediction. It went like I was picturing, and just like I said, I didn't really believe the Raps would win until about 2 minutes were left .

What I said before about the Warriors not taking the Raptors seriously wasn't phrased well. Psychologically I think it was in the back of their minds during game 3 that Klay was being saved for the rest of the series. I think it's hard not to let that sap your determination a little bit. Tonight, however, it sure looked like they just got beat. I wonder if resting Klay gave Steph such a big workload that it affected him tonight. Easy to say that in hindsight.
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I was on the edge of my seat for the first three quarters as I had placed a small wager on the Raptors, and was watching the game with my dad who is a huge Warriors fan which added an additional element of friendly competition. The Raptors were consistently on the spot with their passing game; even while the Warriors' defense consistently stonewalled them in the first half, I could not help but admire the execution of their plays as they shuffled the ball around. Then in the second half they started to push harder down the court, and that combined with the consistent stream of three-pointers was able to close the gap. The Warriors were unable to use all the fouls to their advantage, as well, and Curry seriously ran out of steam. The crowd, initially animated to the max, gradually became deflated as the doom of defeat wafted through the arena. I came away with a great admiration for VanVleet.
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When I saw the video of the shove, I was pretty surprised as what a light thing it was. The way people reacted - I didn't see it in real time - I thought he'd stood up and really SHOVED Lowry.

The punishment they've meted out is quite enough.
I have to agree.

There's no question he shoved Lowry, which was highly inappropriate, but like RickJay, the initial reports made it seem far worse than it actually was. It was almost more like an instantaneous reaction than a premeditated act.
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Mississauga is its own city, not part of Toronto. It is, however, immediately adjacent to Toronto (to the west) and so in a human geographical sense it's part of the Toronto sprawl.

It's a very big city, with well over three quarters of a million people; I am pretty sure it's the largest city in either Canada or the US that effectively serves as a suburb of a larger city. The center of the city is a huge mall, which should give you a flavor of what the city's like.

I am sure there is a geopolitical reason for this, but Toronto's suburban satellites are few in number and huge in population, as compared to U.S. cities, which tend to have a much, much larger number of small cities. In additional to Mississauga, Toronto is also orbited by Brampton, with over half a million people, Markham with over 350,000, Vaughan over 300,000, and a few around 200,000 like Oakville, Burlington, and Oshawa. By comparison it feels like Chicago or Boston are surrounded by a hundred little cities between 50 and 100 thousand people, if not smaller.
That makes it much more like Los Angeles. Apart fro LA proper there are 13 other cities in LA County with populations in excess of 100,000. The largest is Long Beach which is just under 500,000. That doesn't count the adjacent Orange County whose population is over 3,000,000. This is where Anaheim is located,
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