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Old 01-16-2019, 11:58 AM
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...But I wonder if some here could possibly find their way to looking at this ridiculously corrupt situation with Big Pharma and start to understand why anti-vaxxers are skeptical of vaccines for this very reason. Instead, they (and I was one of “they” when my older kids were small) are treated as the most incredibly gullible idiots imaginable.
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The principal lesson from this digression is, of course, the precedent that SlackerInc was capable of ignoring overwhelming evidence to reach stupid and harmful conclusions. I wonder if that's relevant to the current debate?
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I’m going to put the vaccine digression into a spoiler box:

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You'd have to be a complete fucking idiot (Hello, you) to look at companies who are clearly interested in making a profit, and conclude that they'd enable such a conspiracy, to the detriment of their own bottom line, when they could easily destroy it by just a single person out of the hundreds of thousands involved leaking any decent bit of evidence about the secret mind control drugs, etc, etc.

Whoaaa...talk about a strawman! I have never even heard of this “secret mind control” stuff. What I saw was a landscape where Big Pharma, like any other giant corporate entity, was under enormous shareholder pressure to constantly grow (the “ideology of the cancer cell”, as the saying goes) and were snaking their tentacles through vaccine standard-setting boards just as they have done elsewhere with all their junkets and pharmaceutical reps. Just coincidentally, these boards were significantly increasing the number of recommended/required vaccines. So I saw them pushing unnecessary drugs, with undesirable side effects, in every direction they could (surely you don’t deny that) and what better place to do something similar than in “vaccine schedules” that essentially make them a mandatory purchase for the entire population? (Saying they are “only two percent” of the pharmaceutical industry is silly, when Viagra is only one-tenth of one percent, and no one can seriously say that’s unimportant to Pfizer’s bottom line.)

I mean, did you know that eating certain “superfoods”, or even just getting a little midday sun, reduces blood pressure as well as medication or better? You won’t hear that from Big Pharma, I assure you.


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SlackerInc was capable of ignoring overwhelming evidence to reach stupid and harmful conclusions.

In point of fact, I did change my mind and began fully vaccinating both my children (then 3 and 5) in 2005 after seeing the “overwhelming evidence”. But most of those studies had not yet been published in 2000 when my eldest child was born.

(As it happens, the two children I subsequently had in the past decade who got the full vaccine schedule starting at birth both have autism, while the older two do not; that does not change my mind about the evidence, which really woud have to be part of some vast conspiracy far beyond the ability of Big Pharma to effect.)




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Sure, in these discussions people are comparing the current US system with other systems on a "if we could wave a magic wand" basis but no one believes that an actual transition to UHC would be simple.

You may not, and good for you. But a lot of people have not researched this much at all, and are willing to accept the “wave a magic wand” rhetoric at face value from someone they admire like AOC. So she ought to stop doing that, and so should the people in this thread and those like them across the country.


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That was the problem Vermont faced: Adding yet another layer and actor to the system doesn't realize any of the savings UHC normally entails. If you had allowed the state to use Medicare, Medicaid etc funds to set up a system the cost calculation would have looked very different and far more affordable.

Are you saying they should have set up a state equivalent of Britain’s NHS?

First of all, that is the exception rather than the rule even among UHC countries.

It does seem to work well for the UK, and certainly in theory is the best way to streamline everything and keep administrative costs down.

BUT it strikes me as essentially impossible to imagine that something like this could be created in the U.S., due to political and economic hurdles. And if it somehow overcame those, I don’t believe most people would culturally adjust well to it, no matter how well it worked statistically speaking.

I mean, have you been to a VA hospital? That’s the American equivalent. When my eldest was born, I had to go through the tunnel from the regular hospital to the VA hospital to get film for my camera (quaint, I know) for some reason. The hospital he was born in had works of art everywhere, flowers, an airy lobby, etc. On the other side of the tunnel, it was like someone was making a movie about a Stalinist gulag. It wasn’t technically dirty (although the paint job was chipped and faded), and everything looked functional enough, but to call it “drab” would be an incredible understatement.

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You may not, and good for you. But a lot of people have not researched this much at all, and are willing to accept the “wave a magic wand” rhetoric at face value from someone they admire like AOC. So she ought to stop doing that, and so should the people in this thread and those like them across the country.
But is she doing that? Because it looks to me like you're building...what's the word? Oh yes...a strawman here.

At this point in the conversation it's all about aspirations and broad policies and goals. I keep seeing people extrapolating from AOC saying "We should have UHC and here are some basic ideas on how it might be funded" to "AOC hasn't given us any detail therefore she doesn't know what she's talking about" while pointedly ignoring that we're not remotely at the fine detail stage. (Actually, mostly what I see from AOC opponents is "OMG SOCIALISM!!!! VENEZUELA!!!!!" but fortunately such arguments are rare and short-lived on this messageboard.)
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Old 01-17-2019, 05:31 AM
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Are you saying they should have set up a state equivalent of Britain’s NHS?
Its one option. Beveridge-type systems seems to be the most effective in terms of healthcare per dollar in developed nations.

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First of all, that is the exception rather than the rule even among UHC countries.
I am curious about the numbers behind that assertion?

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It does seem to work well for the UK, and certainly in theory is the best way to streamline everything and keep administrative costs down.

BUT it strikes me as essentially impossible to imagine that something like this could be created in the U.S., due to political and economic hurdles. And if it somehow overcame those, I don’t believe most people would culturally adjust well to it, no matter how well it worked statistically speaking.
I think your impression of the US capability to accomplish stuff is pretty low. Much lower than most peoples. A health care system that covers everyone is something everyone else in the developed world has managed to set up, and a number of nations not generally considered part of the developed world. I don't really think the US get-stuff-done ability is that much worse than every other peer nation.

I mean for one thing if your starting assumption is that the US are fundamentally incapable of stuff everyone else does as a matter of course, it gets hard to have a response to anything. Its not a paradigm you can base any actions on.

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I mean, have you been to a VA hospital? That’s the American equivalent. When my eldest was born, I had to go through the tunnel from the regular hospital to the VA hospital to get film for my camera (quaint, I know) for some reason. The hospital he was born in had works of art everywhere, flowers, an airy lobby, etc. On the other side of the tunnel, it was like someone was making a movie about a Stalinist gulag. It wasn’t technically dirty (although the paint job was chipped and faded), and everything looked functional enough, but to call it “drab” would be an incredible understatement.
"Drab" does not actually reduce outcomes in any measurable way. I also think it is far preferable having only the emergency room for a health response. Some of them are pretty drab too.

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Old 01-17-2019, 08:57 AM
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You may not, and good for you. But a lot of people have not researched this much at all, and are willing to accept the “wave a magic wand” rhetoric at face value from someone they admire like AOC.
Please provide a quote or two that you choose to interpret that way.

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BUT it strikes me as essentially impossible to imagine that something like this could be created in the U.S., due to political and economic hurdles. And if it somehow overcame those, I don’t believe most people would culturally adjust well to it, no matter how well it worked statistically speaking.
Now there's the Can Do spirit that made America great.

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I mean, have you been to a VA hospital? That’s the American equivalent.
A hospital that accepts Medicare would be a better equivalent. Since, well, we're discussing expanding eligibility for Medicare, nothing more.
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Elvis, pay closer attention. Grim Render sparked a subtopic discussion of nationalizing all parts of the entire medical system as the UK has. The analogue to that in the U.S. is definitely the VA.

Pressed for time ATM. Will respond to some other points/questions later.
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it was like someone was making a movie about a Stalinist gulag. It wasn’t technically dirty (although the paint job was chipped and faded), and everything looked functional enough, but to call it “drab” would be an incredible understatement.
Is this what you think hospitals in London or Berlin look like?
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But a lot of people have not researched this much at all, and are willing to accept the “wave a magic wand” rhetoric at face value from someone they admire like AOC.
It does not seem so much like "waving a wand" rhetoric as gang rape rhetoric (cite). That's more difficult to admire.

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It does not seem so much like "waving a wand" rhetoric as gang rape rhetoric (cite). That's more difficult to admire.
Bravo, you found something inappropriate spoken by a 29 year old freshman representative. Gee whiz, if only a Republican would say something inappropriate, I could take you down with a BSAB, but alas, you guys never say anything racist, or sexist, or anything, you're pure as the driven snow.
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Elvis, pay closer attention. Grim Render sparked a subtopic discussion of nationalizing all parts of the entire medical system as the UK has. The analogue to that in the U.S. is definitely the VA.
And that was a strawman hijack. Can we get back to real proposals, please?
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Since you guys voted for the pussy grabber in chief, you don't really get to criticize anyone else's rhetoric. You've given up that right. Sorry. Your complaints are moot and you should feel bad for trying to clutch your pearls like that as if anyone would for a moment think it was sincere.
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Since I didn't vote for Trump, I can criticize anything I want.

Sorry, not sorry.

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It does not seem so much like "waving a wand" rhetoric as gang rape rhetoric (cite). That's more difficult to admire.
A Trump supporter getting the vapours over salty language? Or, maybe, just a pathetic hypocrite desperately grasping for something they can pretend to be upset about.

If you're going to ignore language when POTUS uses it, don't be surprised when people think you're a hypocritical POS when you complain about AOC saying something less offensive. Sad!
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So you oppose Trump but you defend his side? Sounds schizophrenic.
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I think first Fox News has to tell you what to criticize and that you want to criticize it.
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Sorry, not sorry.

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I'm sure you're voting for him next time. You're clearly enjoying his presidency.
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Elvis, pay closer attention. Grim Render sparked a subtopic discussion of nationalizing all parts of the entire medical system as the UK has. The analogue to that in the U.S. is definitely the VA.

Pressed for time ATM. Will respond to some other points/questions later.
That is not what "nationalization" means. Nationalization is not when the government provides a service that may also be provided by private enterprise. Nationalization is when a government seizes something with no, or below market value, compensation.

The UK medical system was never nationalized, the National Health Act of 1946 did not work like that.

What I said was that if Vermont had been allowed to use the money currently going to government healthcare in Vermont, such as for Medicare, Medicaid, VA etc to set up it UHC system, the financial calculation would have looked far different.

A Beveride style system would have been one option for that, but so would Bismarck and NI.
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NEW YORK—As part of its effort to provide the most comprehensive reporting possible on the freshman congresswoman, Fox News announced Wednesday the debut of a new premium television channel that will offer continuous, around-the-clock updates on Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY).
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So you oppose Trump but you defend his side? Sounds schizophrenic.
More "CYA" than schizophrenic. Buyer's remorse.
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That is not what "nationalization" means. Nationalization is not when the government provides a service that may also be provided by private enterprise. Nationalization is when a government seizes something with no, or below market value, compensation.
Take a little pity on someone who was no doubt raised to think that ACA was "the government taking over health care".
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Take a little pity on someone who was no doubt raised to think that ACA was "the government taking over health care".
What the actual fuck? Are you disingenuously strawmanning me here, or are you so black and white in your thinking that you can’t perceive distinctions between people who don’t agree with you in every detail? (And don’t try to weasel out by saying you were referring to Shodan here: the post you quoted was a direct response to me.)

So let’s just review some facts about me:

—I’m a Democrat. I have voted in the past five presidential elections, for Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, and Clinton. And I will be voting Democratic again in the 2020 election.

—My main complaint about the ACA was that it didn’t cover enough people, leaving me out in the cold due to the “family glitch”.

—As for how I was “raised”, that’s a real LOL given that my dad was a Marxist anthropologist who owned every volume of Das Kapital and specialized in medical anthropology; my mom is a Ralph Nader and Jill Stein voter who went to Cuba when you had to go via Mexico, and will gladly wax rhapsodic about the hours-long Fidel Castro speech she attended there.
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I’m no great fan of AOC, but I will defend her on the “train” thing. I seriously doubt she was using the gang-bang idiom there. I assume it was something more along the lines of keeping the trains running on time (without, of course, meaning to allude to fascism either). Like “this MFA train is leaving the station”, that kind of thing.


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Its one option. Beveridge-type systems seems to be the most effective in terms of healthcare per dollar in developed nations.



I am curious about the numbers behind that assertion?

Checking multiple sources, I was unable to find a comprehensive list, but I was able to determine that the following UHC countries do or do not have Beveridge systems:

http://www.pnhp.org/single_payer_res...sic_models.php

Beveridge: The UK, Cuba, Spain, “most of Scandinavia”, Hong Kong, New Zealand.

Non-Beveridge UHC: Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Japan, Switzerland, Canada, Taiwan, South Korea, and Latin American countries “to a degree”.

So unless there are a bunch more Beveridge countries to add to that side of the tally, non-Beveridge UHC looks like the majority to me.


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"Drab" does not actually reduce outcomes in any measurable way. I also think it is far preferable having only the emergency room for a health response. Some of them are pretty drab too.

I seriously doubt it has no impact on outcomes, given the other research findings showing that positive vs. negative states of mind have a huge impact on outcomes. But I can just grant your point for the sake of argument, and it still doesn’t change the fact that VOTERS do not act strictly on an actuarial, data-oriented basis. If a new health care law resulted in hospitals becoming much more drab, they would be very unhappy about it.


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Is this what you think hospitals in London or Berlin look like?

Germany is not a Beveridge country. But this blogger (who seems to be a British medical student) indicates that a major London hospital is pretty drab: https://nicholasjparr.com/2015/04/29...ndon-hospital/


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And that was a strawman hijack. Can we get back to real proposals, please?

I’ve had several people crankily insist that there has as of yet been no concrete proposal made, just an insistence on UHC, with the details to be fleshed out over the next few years. Even though Bernie calls his bill “Medicare for All”, for instance, that is really just a branding name and not an expansion of Medicare at all (something many people in this thread seem unaware of). His bill would erase all out of pocket costs for patients, whereas Medicare puts a lot of the cost burden on patients. If we actually wanted to do real MFA, I would be okay with that and it ought to be extremely simple, as depicted in the last season of “The West Wing” when the Jimmy Smits character proposed it in his presidential debate against Alan Alda: just repeal the “over age 65” part of the law, and boom: you’re more or less done.

But in any case, it’s exceedingly unlikely that Bernie’s exact bill will be the final law. Vanishingly unlikely. So why can’t Beveridge systems, which are the law in several major countries, be part of the discussion? (I suppose we could, similar to the above, strike the “for veterans” wording out of the laws that govern the VA hospital/clinic system.) I mean, OFA is a proud socialist, but we’re not even willing to discuss true socialized medicine?

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What makes you think Bernie is relevant to anything?
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What makes you think Bernie is relevant to anything?
Seriously? He is the one who recently introduced the so-called “Medicare for All” bill that OFA is presumably supporting.
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Who the fuck is OFA again?
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Sorry, AOC. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Looks like I glommed “AOC” and “MFA” (Medicare for All) together, into Obama’s campaign initials.
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But this blogger (who seems to be a British medical student) indicates that a major London hospital is pretty drab: https://nicholasjparr.com/2015/04/29...ndon-hospital/
Speaking as someone who has been in pretty much every hospital in southeast London (including Guy's), they vary wildly depending on how new the buildings are or when they've last been renovated. The newer ones are modern and shiny, the older ones are a bit more worn and "drab". I've been in ones where renovation was being done by section and parts looked old and worn and other parts looked new and shiny (in one, the radiology section looked like a freaking Greek spa).

But if the worst criticism one can level at them is that they're "drab", that in itself is a compliment. They're hospitals. They look like hospitals. Linoleum floors, strip lighting in the halls, walls painted institutional green or white, boring waiting rooms, etc. They look like most of the hospitals I've been in in the US. None of the ones I've been in were crumbling, rat-infested shitholes (although if one looked one could probably find some examples of poor conditions, particularly if one looked during periods when the Tories were cutting back money spent) and many of them were quite nice.

What matters in the end is the service you get. Nobody says to the ambulance driver, "Take me to the prettiest hospital". And if that's really what you want, as noted there is a second-tier private system that you can access which will indeed give you nicer rooms, better food, prettier nurses, etc...but, for the most part, the exact same medical outcomes.
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I mean, did you know that eating certain “superfoods”, or even just getting a little midday sun, reduces blood pressure as well as medication or better? You won’t hear that from Big Pharma, I assure you.

In point of fact, I did change my mind and began fully vaccinating both my children (then 3 and 5) in 2005 after seeing the “overwhelming evidence”. But most of those studies had not yet been published in 2000 when my eldest child was born.
Fuck me, you really are a constant bollocks merchant, aren't you?

1) There's no such thing as a superfood *
2) Are you really too stupid to realise that while pharmaceutical companies are out to make a profit, the various socialised health systems out there pay for doctors who don't have any interest to hide how such amazing (non existent) superfoods are just as good as meds, so funnily enough would just tell their patients to eat brocolli, get a bit more sun or whatever, if it was true.
3) There was a fucking stack of evidence showing no link before 2005, because Wakefield (may he fucking die screaming, on fire) published his bullshit in 98, provoking responses almost immediately pointing out his findings were bollocks, backed by statistics showing no link**


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IBut this blogger (who seems to be a British medical student) indicates that a major London hospital is pretty drab: https://nicholasjparr.com/2015/04/29...ndon-hospital/
Could you at least read your own fucking cites:

"I am a 25 year old former architect student having graduated from the University of Brighton in the summer of 2014."

So an architecture graduate is unimpressed with the layout of a 1970s hospital building...you think this is some sort of comment on universal healthcare? Grasping doesn't even begin to describe your level of desperation.


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What the actual fuck? Are you disingenuously strawmanning me here, or are you so black and white in your thinking that you can’t perceive distinctions between people who don’t agree with you in every detail? (And don’t try to weasel out by saying you were referring to Shodan here: the post you quoted was a direct response to me.)

So let’s just review some facts about me:

—I’m a Democrat. I have voted in the past five presidential elections, for Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, and Clinton. And I will be voting Democratic again in the 2020 election.

—My main complaint about the ACA was that it didn’t cover enough people, leaving me out in the cold due to the “family glitch”.

—As for how I was “raised”, that’s a real LOL given that my dad was a Marxist anthropologist who owned every volume of Das Kapital and specialized in medical anthropology; my mom is a Ralph Nader and Jill Stein voter who went to Cuba when you had to go via Mexico, and will gladly wax rhapsodic about the hours-long Fidel Castro speech she attended there.
Then you should have little reason to think that MFA or expanded ACA or any other form of UHC is "nationalization", just as you should not have thought that the NHS was "nationalized".

If your understanding of nationalization is incorrect, that is an easier lift than if your basic understanding of the nature of UHC systems vs our own.

If you mean "nationalized" as in "a national system", then it is only a disagreement on terminology, not ideology.
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"I am a 25 year old former architect student having graduated from the University of Brighton in the summer of 2014."

So an architecture graduate is unimpressed with the layout of a 1970s hospital building...you think this is some sort of comment on universal healthcare? Grasping doesn't even begin to describe your level of desperation.
Also worth noting that the 1974 tower isn't the whole of Guys. There are many other newer outbuildings including a new cancer centre opened in 2016 (after that blog post was written in 2015) and a separate children's hospital, opened in 2005, over by its partner facility St Thomas's Hospital, right across the river from the Houses of Parliament.

I know that Britain went in for horrible concrete brutalist architecture in a big way for a while after the war (see also the South Bank Centre and the Barbican) but that's not the NHS' fault. Given that Guys dates back to the 18th century (and St Thomas' to the 12th), I think they're doing pretty well.
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Are you really too stupid to realise that while pharmaceutical companies are out to make a profit, the various socialised health systems out there pay for doctors who don't have any interest to hide how such amazing (non existent) superfoods are just as good as meds, so funnily enough would just tell their patients to eat brocolli, get a bit more sun or whatever, if it was true.
This is actually pretty hilarious, because my information comes from a book called How Not to Die by Michael Greger, M.D.

Now, how did I end up buying this book? It was essentially prescribed by my primary care doctor. He didn’t literally write a script for it, so I wasn’t able to use insurance or anything, but he strongly recommended I buy the book and I did so. It’s chock full of cites: in fact, the endnotes citations add an additional 132 pages to a 400 page book!

BTW, the foods that Dr. Greger cites as lowering blood pressure as well or better than medication, BTW, are not broccoli but arugula, ground flaxseed, and hibiscus tea.* That’s individually: presumably in combination the effect is even stronger.

So I have a good young doctor who understands the importance of nutrition. But another doctor I admire, Andrew Weil, got his M.D. at Harvard but says that at least when he was coming up, there was very little training in medical school about nutrition.

But on a broad public health basis, I’m surprised you’re so sanguine about the notion that we can simply trust that most doctors will not lean unnecessarily toward drugs, even with all those junkets and pharmaceutical reps running around whispering in their ears. Do you really think Big Pharma is just wasting their money, and their efforts don’t result in physicicians prescribing their drugs more than they otherwise might? Maybe your British spelling indicates that you just aren’t familiar with how this plays out in the U.S. It’s a huge problem.

*The thing about the sun and blood pressure is not from the book, but something I happened to read elsewhere. https://www.webmd.com/hypertension-h...pressure-study

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I’m surprised you’re so sanguine about the notion that we can simply trust that most doctors will not lean unnecessarily toward drugs, even with all those junkets and pharmaceutical reps running around whispering in their ears. Do you really think Big Pharma is just wasting their money, and their efforts don’t result in physicicians prescribing their drugs more than they otherwise might? Maybe your British spelling indicates that you just aren’t familiar with how this plays out in the U.S. It’s a huge problem.
Once more, for the hard of thinking:

"while pharmaceutical companies are out to make a profit, the various socialised health systems out there pay for doctors who don't have any interest to hide how such amazing (non existent) superfoods are just as good as meds, so funnily enough would just tell their patients to eat brocolli, get a bit more sun or whatever, if it was true."

There's no hidden "try this tip that doctors hate" bullshit because funnily enough doctors quite happily pass on obvious tips such as improving your diet and exercising more to reduce blood pressure, and that usually is the first thing they suggest unless the patient's already at a dangerous level so they need to reduce it quickly. If you're saying that this is not the case in America, then that is just one other reason you should change your ridiculous, overpriced system...but then by your own anecdote the only reason you found this out is because your doctor told you about it, and advised you to buy a book on nutrition as well.
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Wasn't sure where else to post this, but every time I think "I couldn't love this politician more", it keeps getting better. How is that even possible? The latest thing she did? Well... Okay, a little backstory. A youtuber I'm a big fan of, HBomberGuy, put on a charity marathon livestream trying to 100% Donkey Kong 64 (the only thing you really need to know about this is that it's on the N64 and that it is legendarily awful, particularly in the 100% category) to raise money for Mermaids, a charity that provides support for transgender kids. He expected a few thousand. By the end of the 60 hours he spent beating the game, he was over 300,000 GBP.

Well, guess who retweeted the stream? Yeah. And not only that, but she actually came on the livestream to talk about trans issues and how the N64 is the best console of all time.

Fucking really.

I don't usually have big celebrity crushes, but this... this is incredible.
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She's completely wrong about the N64. That wasn't even the best console of its generation, much less of all time.
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She's completely wrong about the N64. That wasn't even the best console of its generation, much less of all time.
But she's completely right on how to play nerds like a violin.
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Hold them by the neck and rub them back and forth?
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She's completely wrong about the N64. That wasn't even the best console of its generation, much less of all time.
..."best" is of course subjective. But I had more fun playing four-player games like Goldeneye, Duke Nukem 64, Perfect Dark, and single player games like Ocarina of Time than I ever had on any other platform. I even liked the controller, even if you couldn't use it properly and press access all the buttons!
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