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Old 09-30-2016, 03:55 PM
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The episode ended as Tahani was running out of the restaurant, and the sinkhole was still growing. Michael assumed that the sinkhole would eventually fix itself, like the other disasters Eleanor caused, but it looks like that might not be happening. Maybe because 2 people are causing the problems now.
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:25 PM
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I went back and looked at the meals. Some of it is tough to make out because Hulu puts a progress bar on the screen when I pause, but I saw:

A cheese plate.
What looked like frenched lamb chops.
A hunk of either chicken or pork.
The candy doesn't appear to be m&ms, they're big and round. Peanut m&ms are ovoid. This might just be licensing stuff though.
A hunk of probably beef.
Some sort of soup wth veggies in it.
Fried chicken.
Meatballs.

An awful lot of plates were artfully concealed behind wine glasses. Probably a lot easier than preparing thirty high quality appearing meals.
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:20 PM
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The episode ended as Tahani was running out of the restaurant, and the sinkhole was still growing. Michael assumed that the sinkhole would eventually fix itself, like the other disasters Eleanor caused, but it looks like that might not be happening. Maybe because 2 people are causing the problems now.
The sinkhole didn't start growing until she stepped into the restaurant.

Maybe it's just my imagination, but did you see the look on her face? It was sort of "Busted!" I think Tahani felt she had something to do with that sinkhole. But again, I'm just reading this into her expression and could be way off here.
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The candy doesn't appear to be m&ms, they're big and round. Peanut m&ms are ovoid. This might just be licensing stuff though...
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Old 09-30-2016, 08:38 PM
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I'm still wondering if Tahani is a fraud. At one point she seemed to be trying to remember the expression "keep a stiff upper lip" but then said something like "struggle to conceal one's unhappiness". She doesn't otherwise seem to be an awkward speaker, and Eleanor has already voiced her suspicion that Tahani is deliberately over-emphasizing her English accent. These seem like hints that Tahani isn't really who she claims to be.
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Old 10-02-2016, 02:55 AM
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I love the show.

Eleanor has great comedy timing and can do amazing things with her eyebrows, Chidi is the perfect straight man, Tahani is so beautiful, it nearly hurts, Michael and Janet are appearing in just the right doses and my only problem is with Jianyu, because I can hardly understand a word he's saying.

I'm going with this being purgatory or a place where you learn tolerance and acceptance of others, as somebody's heaven can be somebody else's hell.
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She also said something like "You've got a whisper in your snicker chest", which sounds 100% a made up phrase.
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Old 10-02-2016, 11:24 AM
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She also said something like "You've got a whisper in your snicker chest", which sounds 100% a made up phrase.
Yeah, "snickerbox", but you're right. When first hearing it, I thought it sounded exquisitely British, but seems to be made up.
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My theory is Ted Danson is just really bad at his job and (almost?) no one is who they seem to be.
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Old 10-02-2016, 12:07 PM
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Tahani did find a reason not to be Michael's assistant.
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Old 10-02-2016, 04:23 PM
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My theory is Ted Danson is just really bad at his job and (almost?) no one is who they seem to be.
Or the show will actually turn out to be about Ted Danson actually being in the Bad Place and the stories are really about all the bad things happening to him and his plans.
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:06 PM
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...And I'm guessing at some point we find out what happened to the real Eleanor, if she's actually not dead yet, or if she did go to the Bad Place.
I think it's telling that Chidi hasn't questioned where "Saint Eleanor" is now. You'd think he'd be utterly horrified if she's in The Bad Place by mistake, but it doesn't even seem to have occurred to him. On the other hand if this is all some kind of purgatory or test for Eleanor it would make sense that she needs to come up that realization on her own.

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So, does sexual intercourse exist in the Good Place and if so, what about talking dirty? Is a woman limited to telling her lover "Put your big fooling clock in me, hard, I want you to make me calm."
Well Janet did causally offer to show Eleanor whatever kind of pornography she wanted.
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I think it's telling that Chidi hasn't questioned where "Saint Eleanor" is now. You'd think he'd be utterly horrified if she's in The Bad Place by mistake, but it doesn't even seem to have occurred to him. ...
It did occur to him, was discussed when she was first selling him on helping her and Eleanor answered that she is pretty sure that there is no other Eleanor just a mistake on the memories because other things, like where she died, were right. Why that piss poor of a story was sufficient explanation for him? Show needs him to help her.
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:34 PM
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My theory is Ted Danson is just really bad at his job and (almost?) no one is who they seem to be.
Well, this is his first time building a city. Maybe they didn't want to give him real Good Place candidates to work with until he's had a bit more experience and ironed out the bugs?
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Old 10-03-2016, 02:33 AM
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Oh, it's here, good. Saw all three episodes so far but didn't really care enough about it to start the thread myself.

I generally don't care about afterlife fiction, especially on television, because its seems that the only stories anyone seems to want to make are 1. Someone gets sent to the wrong afterlife (usually due to a "clerical error" ), and it's impossible (or takes an enormous effort) to fix*, 2. Almost nobody gets into The Good Place, while the overwhelming majority of humanity gets into The Bad Place, 3. our hero gets to The Good Place, and it's as good as advertise, but for some reason he just can't stay, and 4. The Good Place is this incredibly bland, monotonous, boring wasteland, so awful that after a few days you'll be begging to be sent to The Bad Place, which may or may not be any better. Oh, and there are always only two possible outcomes, and the criteria for where you go always at best makes no goddam sense whatsoever and at worse is based on ancient petty sanctimonious horseplop. So if I'm going to watch a show based on the afterlife, I have pretty much only one criterion: Different! Surreal, evocative, thought-provoking, disturbing, shocking, epic, philosophical, screwball, I don't care, just something I haven't seen dozens and dozens of times before!

Based on that, this one...definitely got off on the wrong foot, but at least planted the seeds for potential goodness. If nothing else, it's definitely visually impressive. And the fact that this is, y'know, Heaven means that I don't have to worry about anything horrifying or incredibly disgusting showing up (even that "garbage rain" was pretty benign). So I'll give it a shot and hope that the early intriguing plotlines plan out. Right now it looks like it could go either way.

* As someone who's worked in data entry, recordkeeping, and accounting for most of my adult life, I'd like to remind everyone that not only can clerical errors and the consequences of them be fixed, this happens constantly, mainly because THIS IS THE EASIEST FREAKING TYPE OF MISTAKE TO FIX. I had one temp job where, for at least the last four months, that was the only thing I did. Hell, one time the unemployment office got my Social Security number wrong, and they never even fixed it at all, and I still got my benefits.
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Old 10-03-2016, 08:05 PM
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Everybody can't be in the wrong place. Chidi is who he appears to be and the chef served him his grandmother's fish dish which was really his favorite meal. The guy whose chicken soup wound up saving 10,000 lives must be real, too. And so's the chef, because the chicken soup she made was really good. Tahani's decorations were as perfect as everything else she's done, so she has to have some amazing set of skills.

Not that logic is a strong point. Couldn't each of them be served their favorite food every day by whoever makes the meals? They can't be cooking for themselves. Who cleans up the place afterward, BTW, and why didn't the cleaners get the garbage rain taken care of?

I know it's a sitcom and nothing has to make sense. But the mystery they set up requires some sense to be made.

But that's why I quit Lost.
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Old 10-07-2016, 08:10 PM
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Loved this latest episode.

Poor Tahani! If it makes you feel any better,
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Well, my suspicions of Tahani have proven to be misguided. She is the "real Tahani", and her account of her life on Earth was basically accurate. Her tendency to brag about her accomplishments isn't because they weren't real, but because she's insecure and worried about not being good enough. "The Good Place" probably isn't much more comfortable for her than it is for Eleanor -- after spending her whole life in the shadow of her amazing sister, Tahani's now in a community where everyone (in theory at least) was one of the best people ever.

I thought it was interesting that this episode explicitly discussed utilitarianism and its weaknesses as a philosophy. The point system used to determine who gets into "The Good Place" and who is sent to "The Bad Place" sure seems to be based on rewarding acts that maximize utility. So I'm thinking this episode may have been laying the groundwork for the characters to begin questioning that system.
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He sounded like EVERYBODY around here, yo. Cut me some slack; I had like 3 lines to go on.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:04 AM
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The bit with Tahani introducing her sister at the auction was hilarious.

I think my favorite part of the show is seeing the "behind the scenes" stuff like the technical manual.

Does the little intro tune remind anybody else of The Sims?
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Old 10-10-2016, 04:15 AM
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Four episodes in, and I gotta say that this is...highly promising. I was very worried at the beginning that this would head into one of many extremely bad places, but it seems to be on the right track. Develop the characters, throw in an occasional guest star to keep things interesting, show real emotions, address the obvious questions (like, say, does it get frustrating having your entire life revolve around someone else?), and, most importantly, try to have some damn FUN out there.

The thing that's impressed me so far is the handling of Eleanor, mainly because she's the star of the show and a real jerk. The key for this character is to throw in enough remorse, second thoughts, and wisdom so she doesn't get absolutely unbearable, but not so much that it comes across as heavy-handed and makes viewers ask why you made her a jerk in the first place. This is an extremely tricky balance to pull off, but somehow Eleanor seems like the real deal. She's looks like she's fighting hard to change her ways and not always succeeding, and that helps a lot in making her both believable and relatable. (And trust me, "relatable" was a word I never thought I'd associate with her!)

And yeah, what was the deal with the sinkhole? Again, visually impressive set pieces are what's going to make this stand out, and if you can throw in a few mysteries as well, so much the better. As long as this plays out slowly and organically, I'm all for it.

Solid characters, competent writing, an intriguing premise, and never unwatchable. Works for me.
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:01 PM
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This is my favorite show of the new TV season. I've liked Kristen Bell ever since Veronica Mars, and she just gets better (and cuter) as time goes by. Placing the show right after Superstore was a good idea, since I suspect that these shows have many viewers in common. It is heartening that smart, funny shows with good ensemble casts can still find an audience these days.
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Is anybody else a little disappointed that we haven't had any wacky side effects of Eleanor (or anyone else)'s behavior like did in the pilot? The sinkhole was kind of underwhelming in comparison.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:02 PM
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Am I wrong, or does The Good Place seem kind of not-so-good? In this episode, Michael said that he was planning on living in the neighborhood for the first thousand years or so before leaving them to themselves, like with all the other neighborhoods. Even with your soulmate, wouldn't that become a "hell is other people" scenario fairly quickly? Eternity with a couple hundred people in a a gilded cage?

I'm trying to figure out if this is a situation where they're going to play out these kinds of answers slowly over time, or if I need to stop overthinking it because it's a comedy.
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Old 10-15-2016, 12:10 AM
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So are Tahani and Michael supposed to be soulmates?

Anyway, it will be well short of a thousand years before this place turns into Westworld. That's always been the philosophical problem I've had with the eternal afterlife concept - it would be boring, and if it's not boring, that could only be because my mind has been altered to such a degree that it no longer resembles the current "me" much at all.
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Old 10-15-2016, 12:49 AM
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My mistake: I meant Tahani and Chidi.
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Is anybody else a little disappointed that we haven't had any wacky side effects of Eleanor (or anyone else)'s behavior like did in the pilot? The sinkhole was kind of underwhelming in comparison.
No, because I understand that shows have to work within their budgets. Series premiers usually get a significantly bigger budget to work with, but the season has to parcel out SFX. Especially comedies, which usually do not have much to work with after actors and writers salaries.
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I thought the suggestion that Tahani and Chidi might be soulmates -- or at least a better match for each other than their designated soulmates -- was an interesting twist. I'm not particularly interested in a romance between the two, but I am interested in what this might mean for the whole soulmate system.
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Well that system is obviously predicated on the other person actually being the saintly soul they were on earth. It may not be the soulmate system that's broken in this case.
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Well that system is obviously predicated on the other person actually being the saintly soul they were on earth. It may not be the soulmate system that's broken in this case.
So far I've been assuming that either Chidi's soulmate is the "good Eleanor" (the clown-loving lawyer) and Tahani's soulmate is the real Jianyu (the Buddhist monk) and that the real soulmates will show up at some point, or Chidi/Eleanor and Tahani/Jason (the DJ) will turn out to be unlikely soulmates who realize they actually were meant to be together all along. One of those may still turn out to be the case, but either would be complicated by a Tahani/Chidi romance.

A successful Tahani/Chidi romance could also raise some bigger questions about how accurate the soulmate matching system is, or even whether there is truly such a thing as a "one and only" soulmate.

ETA: Oh, since Michael mentioned that the "architects" don't usually hang around in the neighborhood after everyone's been oriented, I'm also wondering whether it will turn out that other "Good Place" neighborhoods aren't as perfect as they were supposed to be but no one in charge noticed.

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It hasn't aired on the West Coast yet, so no unboxed spoilers.

But damn, that was a hell of an ending.

Also, Janet is the best.
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Wow, never thought Eleanor would do that. Are we finally going to get a glimpse of the "bad" place?
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Wow, never thought Eleanor would do that. Are we finally going to get a glimpse of the "bad" place?
Could be nobody can get there until Janet reboots. So there's a day or two to work something out.

But this is quite the selfless act. She's sacrificing her eternal happiness for Michael (and Chidi, and everyone else's) gain, at the cost of going to the bad place.

I somewhat wonder if, since Michael is the first architect to stick around with his neighborhood, if they will end up in other neighborhoods trying to fix those also, as Lamia suggested. I wonder if a rebooted Janet can look at those other neighborhoods and let people know what's up.

Also, if Architect retirement sucks so bad, why would an architect ever retire?
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I thought for sure she was going to throw Chidi under the bus at the end there.
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What a great episode. So many hilarious moments involving killing Janet, Michael'd description of torture, and of course the big surprise ending. And the wonderful thing about this show is that I have literally zero idea what will happen next. Can't wait!


My favorite little touch was how every time rebooting-Janet said "Hello", Jianyu got all excited and responded. Poor guy is just not very bright.
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Also, if Architect retirement sucks so bad, why would an architect ever retire?
Maybe what he said about Architect retirement wasn't true. Maybe it was a ruse to get people to admit to being not the people they are supposed to be. This is going along with the idea that this Good Place is really a kind of purgatory.

The ranking of people in the neighborhood goes along with that. They may be ranked in order of their jerkiness. They are jerks, after all, not evil people, and thus not candidates for the Bad Place. Jiyanu is number two, and he is definitely a much worse person than Eleanor, who is number six. Tahani, who really is a pretty good person, is near the bottom of the list. She only needs to purge her insecurity, neediness, and vanity before she goes on to the real Good Place. Chidi is also a good person, but he needs to develop a sense of humor and ability to have fun, and then he will be done.

I love having a half hour comedy that delves into ethics. This is so needed.
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Ugh - let's just forgo spoilers altogether in this thread. People on the west coast are well aware of when the show starts (and ends), and spoilers shouldn't be used for speculation, anyway.

Like you, I expected any number of other people to stand up and admit they weren't supposed to be there - I was really surprised that Eleanor was the first to do so.
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If it was just Eleanor I'd be suprised but since "Jianyu" is also a mistake I think it is likely there are others. Chidi and Tahani don't seem to be obvious mistakes so I wonder if one person in each pairing is a mistake...

I doubt Eleanor will be sent to the bad place unless it isn't so bad (I don't think they will make Kristen Bell scream the whole episode)

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What a great episode. So many hilarious moments involving killing Janet, Michael'd description of torture, and of course the big surprise ending. And the wonderful thing about this show is that I have literally zero idea what will happen next. Can't wait!
Yeah, it's somehow managed to keep me guessing while moving along quite briskly. I certainly was not expecting this latest revelation to come so early in the series. (There are at least six episodes left this season, and it could be picked up for more.) I'm assuming Eleanor will not be believed for some reason, but I really don't know what the writers are planning to do.

I don't know how long they'll be able to keep up this pace while still coming up with new surprises, but it occurs to me that even a dud of a twist probably wouldn't seem terribly disappointing if there wasn't an extended build-up to it.
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...My favorite little touch was how every time rebooting-Janet said "Hello", Jianyu got all excited and responded. Poor guy is just not very bright.
His cuteness makes up for it.

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I thought for sure she was going to throw Chidi under the bus at the end there.
I thought she was just going to confess to murdering Janet, but then say she only did to save Michael from "retirement".
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Wasn't expecting the reveal so soon. I think the result will be Michael putting off his retirement until he figures out just how Eleanor ended up there and what went wrong.
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It might be that once you get in the Good Place you can't be reassigned

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As long as Janet can get the train running, I think everybody can be "reassigned".

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Didn't Chidi, while bemoaning that he is stuck with Eleanor instead of being with a real soulmate, mention that he had never had a girlfriend? But in this episode flashes back to in bed with a woman waking her up to talk about his moral dilemma about his lie.

A small thing but there are not that any details for the writers to keep straight. When not right one has to wonder if there is significance to it or it is just sitcom sloppiness.

When he initially gave us his back story he explained that he was actually speaking in French and was from Senegal ... did he mention his time teaching in Australia speaking fluent English then?
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Do we know Eleanor's real name?
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Old 10-22-2016, 05:33 PM
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It's Eleanor; she has the same name as the woman Michael mixed her up with.

Regarding Chidi's flashback I did think it was a little odd he didn't have an accent. I guess he spoke really good English when he was alive.

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I loved the way they killed the main driver of the plot at the end of the episode. I think Dewey Finn is on to one possible way things can go next week. But another is that Michael just plain refuses to believe her, thinking she's saying it to make him feel better (or some such).
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Old 10-22-2016, 06:53 PM
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It's Eleanor; she has the same name as the woman Michael mixed her up with.

Regarding Chidi's flashback I did think it was a little odd he didn't have an accent. I guess he spoke really good English when he was alive.
Did the episode say where the flashback was set? I assumed it was in a French-speaking country and that we were hearing a translated version of Chidi speaking really good French while his boot-wearing colleague spoke French with an obvious accent.
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