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Old 08-24-2019, 03:51 PM
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Jon McNaughton's latest Trump atrocity


https://twitter.com/McNaughtonArt/st...31145542193153

Yech.

That's not a thumb sticking out of that pallet...

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This is the most understated, least retarded McNaughton painting ever. Sure, he is super wrong about how history will see The King of the Jews and The Chosen One, but at least the pants-on-head symbolism and revisionist nuttery is greatly tamped down. That he's sitting in a cathedral is somewhat underplayed and there is not one single solitary glistened-teared bald eagle to be found.
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Lots of paintings I've seen also have a bafflingly mesomorphic cheeto.


Our standards of yech are lamentably much lower than this.

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All I'm seeing in this OP is a Twitter link, a cryptic comment, and something about a Trump atrocity. None of those things seems to relate to art, so I'll be moving this. Given that it's about some sort of "atrocity", I assume that the BBQ Pit is the correct place.
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All I'm seeing in this OP is a Twitter link, a cryptic comment, and something about a Trump atrocity. None of those things seems to relate to art, so I'll be moving this. Given that it's about some sort of "atrocity", I assume that the BBQ Pit is the correct place.
You could have salved your bewilderment by clicking the link.
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McNaughton also did this one - Obama Foreign Policy. It depicts the President playing golf and ignoring the threat of a third world country which is developing nuclear weapons.

And the President is Barack Obama.

McNaughton is apparently serious. There's no hint that he's aware of the irony in his choice of subjects.
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Old 08-25-2019, 02:33 PM
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This is the most understated, least retarded McNaughton painting ever. Sure, he is super wrong about how history will see The King of the Jews and The Chosen One, but at least the pants-on-head symbolism and revisionist nuttery is greatly tamped down. That he's sitting in a cathedral is somewhat underplayed and there is not one single solitary glistened-teared bald eagle to be found.
I don't know. Based on what we can see in the corner of the painting, I imagine it's a vision of what the air in America will look like after we switch over to burning clean coal for all of our energy needs. Or, possibly, the steam over the oceans as they boil away when the Earth starts approaching a Venus-like atmosphere. Either way, I think it's safe to say the painting is a fair representation of how Trump will be remembered by history. Well, I say history, that's kind of an iffy term after every living thing on Earth is dead, but, you know what I mean.
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I'm pretty sure the picture behind the curtain is a new color scheme for Air Force One.
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You could have salved your bewilderment by clicking the link.
I still think the Pit is the best place for this, so folks can say what they really think about it.
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Dear god, that's fucking hilarious. Like, total MST3K level fodder.

It's just BEGGING for parody.
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McNaughton is apparently serious. There's no hint that he's aware of the irony in his choice of subjects.
I do hope he receives all the photo-shopped mockery he so richly deserves.
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A bunch of people already are, it seems

And it isn't the first time: "One Nation Under Cthulhu"
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I still think the Pit is the best place for this, so folks can say what they really think about it.
I agree, as there was already a thread a few days ago.
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That painting is the beautiful-est, patriotic-est, accurate-est, most wonderful painting I've ever seen in my life.


Now, do I keep my Medicare and survivor benefits, Don?
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Holy God, I see these are for sale, who would actually buy one of these besides Jeffrey Epstein or something?
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Holy God, I see these are for sale, who would actually buy one of these besides Jeffrey Epstein or something?
Pence.

ETA: And Lindsey Graham.

ETAA: And come to think of it, Roger Stone and Devin Nunes.

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I could see Hannity with one.
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Ok I bet Rush Limbaugh would buy one too!



And then sell it to his listeners for 200% profit.
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The day after Donald Trump stunned the predictors and won the presidency, Sean Hannity showed his Fox News viewers what he thought “this election is all about." He filled the screen with a painting depicting Barack Obama defiantly standing on the Constitution while a dejected man in a hooded jacket sits slumped on a park bench, ignored by the president.

The 2011 painting was called the "The Forgotten Man," a phrase Trump himself had used in his victory speech the night before when he pledged that “the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.” Hannity was so taken with the painting by Utah artist Jon McNaughton that he called him that day and bought the 40” x 60” original.
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I find the guy quite talented as an artist. I especially like the small details buried in the background of his crowds.

Too bad he’s batshit insane.
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I don't know. Based on what we can see in the corner of the painting, I imagine it's a vision of what the air in America will look like after we switch over to burning clean coal for all of our energy needs. Or, possibly, the steam over the oceans as they boil away when the Earth starts approaching a Venus-like atmosphere. Either way, I think it's safe to say the painting is a fair representation of how Trump will be remembered by history. Well, I say history, that's kind of an iffy term after every living thing on Earth is dead, but, you know what I mean.


I thought it looked like New York underwater, after we burn enough coal.
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I find the guy quite talented as an artist. I especially like the small details buried in the background of his crowds.

Too bad he’s batshit insane.
That's the sad thing -- dude does actually have talent. But he wastes it on shit like this.
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That's the sad thing -- dude does actually have talent. But he wastes it on shit like this.
I disagree. I'm not saying McNaughton has no talent. But he's basically got technical skills. There are probably ten thousand people in this country who can paint as well as he can.

Here are some examples of his landscapes, so we can judge him without the politics:

Autumn Heights
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Grandma's Rocking Chair
Old Watermill
Path to the Ocean
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These are not artistic masterpieces. These are the kinds of paintings a skilled hobbyist makes.
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You know we already had a thread about this masterpiece:

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=880758
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Pence.

ETA: And Lindsey Graham.

ETAA: And come to think of it, Roger Stone and Devin Nunes.
IFF Jesus is under the cloth, Ben Carson might buy one...
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These are the kinds of paintings a skilled hobbyist makes.
There's something... amateurish about them. Like his understanding of light and shadow is that basically the whole painting is properly exposed (if it was a photograph), and the parts that are lit are floodlit. It's weird looking.

Maybe it's a stylistic choice, or a style of painting- I don't know a whole lot about artistic trends really. But I do know that I've seen other works by other painters that don't have such a weird sort of contrast. Plus, it's like he's dialed up the saturation on some parts and down on others as far as the colors go.

There's just something... off about the landscapes. At least with the indoor paintings, the light/shadow stuff is more normal- that weirdness isn't what stands out in that godawful Trump painting.
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Weird. That one of Obama golfing while the bombs go off...doesn't even look like Obama. Could be any one of a number of African-Americans with a golf club in their hand. Even the explosion looks cheesy and slap-dash.

But, boiled down, its not some much that I hate his painting, it's that his painting hates me!
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Weird. That one of Obama golfing while the bombs go off...doesn't even look like Obama. Could be any one of a number of African-Americans with a golf club in their hand. Even the explosion looks cheesy and slap-dash.

But, boiled down, its not some much that I hate his painting, it's that his painting hates me!
It almost looked to me as though the body looked like Bill Clinton's or something, oddly enough. Maybe he started doing a Clinton painting, and then changed it to Obama.
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It almost looked to me as though the body looked like Bill Clinton's or something, oddly enough. Maybe he started doing a Clinton painting, and then changed it to Obama.
Maybe it started out as Clinton in blackface.

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I disagree. I'm not saying McNaughton has no talent. But he's basically got technical skills. There are probably ten thousand people in this country who can paint as well as he can.

Here are some examples of his landscapes, so we can judge him without the politics:

Autumn Heights
Blossom Lane
Grandma's Rocking Chair
Old Watermill
Path to the Ocean
Thunder Canyon

These are not artistic masterpieces. These are the kinds of paintings a skilled hobbyist makes.
All those paintings have slightly skewed perspective. They're wonky, and they all seem to be sliding a bit to the left. Especially the Watermill one. If I saw one in person I'd probably keep trying to straighten it, but it's not the way it was hung that's the problem.
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(snip ...) but it's not the way it was hung that's the problem.
That’s what Trump said.

I’ll see myself out.
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McNaughton also did this one - Obama Foreign Policy. It depicts the President playing golf and ignoring the threat of a third world country which is developing nuclear weapons.

And the President is Barack Obama.

McNaughton is apparently serious. There's no hint that he's aware of the irony in his choice of subjects.


Oh lord. I'm not even very good at golf, and I can see that this pose is just completely wrong.

And if an atomic bomb has just gone off behind him, why is his shadow off to the left?!?
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Oh lord. I'm not even very good at golf, and I can see that this pose is just completely wrong.

And if an atomic bomb has just gone off behind him, why is his shadow off to the left?!?
It looks like he’s skipping rope, not swinging a club.

And see, it’s a mushroom CLOUD, and clouds block light, so he’s illuminated from the bright sky in the upper-left...
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You could have salved your bewilderment by clicking the link.
The OP could have saved the confusion with a better description of what this thread is about in the first place. It's the OP's job to set the stage for a discussion rather than to make viewers click links.
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When I saw this addition to the canon of American art, I wondered if it was by the same artist who gave us the masterpiece "Trippin' Balls with the Lord" but apparently, we're graced with not one but two brilliant painters. Go America!
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I disagree. I'm not saying McNaughton has no talent. But he's basically got technical skills. There are probably ten thousand people in this country who can paint as well as he can.

Here are some examples of his landscapes, so we can judge him without the politics:

Autumn Heights
Blossom Lane
Grandma's Rocking Chair
Old Watermill
Path to the Ocean
Thunder Canyon

These are not artistic masterpieces. These are the kinds of paintings a skilled hobbyist makes.
Not all that skilled. In almost all of them, things like houses are trying to slide off the left side of the canvas.

ETA: I see that carrps beat me to it.

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I disagree. I'm not saying McNaughton has no talent. But he's basically got technical skills. There are probably ten thousand people in this country who can paint as well as he can.

Here are some examples of his landscapes, so we can judge him without the politics:

Autumn Heights
Blossom Lane
Grandma's Rocking Chair
Old Watermill
Path to the Ocean
Thunder Canyon

These are not artistic masterpieces. These are the kinds of paintings a skilled hobbyist makes.
Reminds me of Thomas "Painter of Light" Kinkade, who trademarked his style, pumped out a bunch of 'base' paintings and had an army of technically good painters 'embellish' them. Only not as good. Which is saying something.

I think he puts more effort into his political paintings as they are vastly better than these things, giving credence to trope that insanity enhances art.
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Reminds me of Thomas "Painter of Light" Kinkade, who trademarked his style
He used the phrase “Painter of Light” as a trademark, if that’s what you mean.
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The OP could have saved the confusion with a better description of what this thread is about in the first place. It's the OP's job to set the stage for a discussion rather than to make viewers click links.
No shit, but speculating on what it might possibly be and then moving it to another forum without clicking the fucking link is just plain silly.
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I disagree. I'm not saying McNaughton has no talent. But he's basically got technical skills. There are probably ten thousand people in this country who can paint as well as he can.

Here are some examples of his landscapes, so we can judge him without the politics:

Autumn Heights
Blossom Lane
Grandma's Rocking Chair
Old Watermill
Path to the Ocean
Thunder Canyon

These are not artistic masterpieces. These are the kinds of paintings a skilled hobbyist makes.
I didn't say he was a master, just that he's wasting his skills on crap. He's better than Thomas Kinkade, who made everything look like it was on fire.

This guy could probably be good if he went beyond the cliched bullshit, and actually practiced. That's the sad thing about a lot of these artists -- they have the basic skills, but they waste them. Take some classes, practice, study. You might do something really cool.

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He used the phrase “Painter of Light” as a trademark, if that’s what you mean.
A phrase which he appropriated from English artist JMW Turner and still his crappy pastorals were better than McNaughton's. I speak with the authority of a person whose taste is located directly in her mouth.
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All those paintings have slightly skewed perspective. They're wonky, and they all seem to be sliding a bit to the left. Especially the Watermill one. If I saw one in person I'd probably keep trying to straighten it, but it's not the way it was hung that's the problem.
Yup. A couple of them look like they would have water dripping off the left side. That watermill one would drive me nuts. I'd be forever trying to straighten it.

But, he does capture something. Nothing I would ever hang in my house. My Mom, Dad and a cousin are artists, and I have their work hanging in my house.
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A phrase which he appropriated from English artist JMW Turner and still his crappy pastorals were better than McNaughton's. I speak with the authority of a person whose taste is located directly in her mouth.
Theres nothing illegitimate about that. There’s no requirement that someone be the first to use a phrase to make it one’s trademark. One must just be the first to use it as a trademark.
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A phrase which he appropriated from English artist JMW Turner and still his crappy pastorals were better than McNaughton's. I speak with the authority of a person whose taste is located directly in her mouth.
Turner's pastorals just need the addition of a railroad or mill, the more satanic the better, to be brilliant.
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I disagree. I'm not saying McNaughton has no talent. But he's basically got technical skills. There are probably ten thousand people in this country who can paint as well as he can.

Here are some examples of his landscapes, so we can judge him without the politics:

Autumn Heights
Blossom Lane
Grandma's Rocking Chair
Old Watermill
Path to the Ocean
Thunder Canyon

These are not artistic masterpieces. These are the kinds of paintings a skilled hobbyist makes.
Yeah, those suck.

I was actually thinking of a painting that included Trump sitting around a table with other Republicans, but google tells me that was by Andy Thomas.

I didn’t realize that there so many of these painters out there (Thomas has done some Democratic friendly ones, too)
https://andythomas.com/product-categ...itical-prints/
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A phrase which he appropriated from English artist JMW Turner and still his crappy pastorals were better than McNaughton's. I speak with the authority of a person whose taste is located directly in her mouth.
Whose, Kinkade's or Turner's? Because if you mean Kinkade's, I totally disagree. Far too sugary. But again, great for parody.
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Whose, Kinkade's or Turner's? Because if you mean Kinkade's, I totally disagree. Far too sugary. But again, great for parody.
I don't mind the high brix, although I am liking it less and less as time goes by, but my real beef with Kincade is that he isn't good at what he does. For a lot of artists, even if you don't like the thing, you can at least say "well, if that's the sort of thing you like, you'll like this sort of thing." But any number of other artists can do the twee twilight cottage motif better than Kinkade, who suffers from a lack of perspective and, ironically, proper lighting.
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