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Old 03-26-2020, 09:19 AM
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Stupid Kids on Spring Break!


We've all seen the pictures of the young crowd in Florida dancing on the beach, celebrating Spring Break. Reporters who talked with them were told to get lost. "It's my life, and I get to decide what I want to do with it."

The parent in me wants to cancel phones and credit cards, and to drag that collective bunch off the beach by the ear.

News says there is a college student in Kentucky who returned from Spring Break, and has tested positive.


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Old 03-26-2020, 09:48 AM
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We've all seen the pictures of the young crowd in Florida dancing on the beach, celebrating Spring Break. Reporters who talked with them were told to get lost. "It's my life, and I get to decide what I want to do with it."

The parent in me wants to cancel phones and credit cards, and to drag that collective bunch off the beach by the ear.

News says there is a college student in Kentucky who returned from Spring Break, and has tested positive.


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I dont know, we shall see. And testing positive doesnt mean ICU and death.
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Old 03-26-2020, 10:02 AM
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And testing positive doesnt mean ICU and death.
Likely not for that kid. For someone who that kid had contact with, or someone who had contact with someone who had contact with that kid, it certainly can. That's kinda the problem.
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And testing positive doesnt mean ICU and death.
For some percentage of the population, it does. It's really all a numbers game.

But for the most part the Spring Breakers are already gone and the beaches are closed, right?
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What?! Young adults with still developing prefrontal cortexes and bad risk assessment make poor choices? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Major failing on the part of the elected leaders to close beaches earlier.
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What?! Young adults with still developing prefrontal cortexes and bad risk assessment make poor choices? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Major failing on the part of the elected leaders to close beaches earlier.
Seriously wonder how many towns had Sheriff Brody's and were stopped and confounded by Mayor Vaughn's.
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IIRC Tramp recently suggested that all people exiting New York be quarantined. Can Spring Break returnees be identified and isolated per state orders?
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IIRC Tramp recently suggested that all people exiting New York be quarantined. Can Spring Break returnees be identified and isolated per state orders?
Notice so far its just been democrats restricting peoples rights?
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Notice so far its just been democrats restricting peoples rights?
Gov. Abbott Orders Mandatory Quarantine for People Traveling From NY Area, New Orleans
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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order Thursday mandating quarantine for anyone traveling to Texas from either New Orleans or the New York Tri-State area.

Abbott said anyone arriving at an airport in Texas from either New York, Connecticut, New Jersey or New Orleans, Louisiana, must register with the Texas Department of Public Safety and immediately quarantine themselves at home or in a hotel for 14 days or until they leave the state, which ever occurs first.

"During this period, a quarantined person shall not allow visitors into or out of the designated quarantine location, other than a physician or healthcare provider, and cannot visit any public spaces," Abbott said. "The New York Tri-State Area and the City of New Orleans have become major centers of this pandemic, and it is vital that we take necessary precautions to prevent additional exposure that could originate from people traveling from these areas to Texas."
When did Abbott switch parties?

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C'mon people! It's not like this is something serious where millions will die . . . like a pot luck dinner.

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Back to the OP, I think its ok to let the kids blow off some steam.
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Back to the OP, I think its ok to let the kids blow off some steam.
They can do that in isolation like the rest of us. It's called adulting.
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I'd be much more willing to blame the stupid kids if the municipal governments had shut things down and they were defying a stay at home order.

Spring Breakers are not known for their shrewd cost-benefit analysis, and expecting them to somehow figure this one out is not reasonable.

We should be angry at the city managers that didn't shut them down and clear the beaches and bars.
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Back to the OP, I think its ok to let the kids blow off some steam.
Depends what you mean by blowing off steam. Even twenty-somethings shouldn't be playing viral Russian Roulette.

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I'd be much more willing to blame the stupid kids if the municipal governments had shut things down and they were defying a stay at home order.

Spring Breakers are not known for their shrewd cost-benefit analysis, and expecting them to somehow figure this one out is not reasonable.

We should be angry at the city managers that didn't shut them down and clear the beaches and bars.
I have friends in several places with SAH orders - whose kids are being wilfully clueless. Refusing to understand that "no public or private gatherings" means "don't hang out with friends even if you ARE 6 feet away", "We can rent a beach house and quarantine there just as well as at home, right?" etc.
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Back to the OP, I think its ok to let the kids blow off some steam.
For the sake of the many, many people who'd be adversely affected, I hope to heaven this isn't your personal approach to this crisis (and yes, it's a crisis) for yourself and your family. And it's not, right? You're not letting your kids get together with other kids to "blow off steam," correct? Because while your kids and their friends may not show symptoms of COVID-19, they'd be passing it along to others who'd get sick.

We all have to make sacrifices these days for the good of our fellow Americans.
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"We can rent a beach house and quarantine there just as well as at home, right?"
You can. You literally can. The virus doesn't care if you surroundings are nice or ugly. I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
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I have friends in several places with SAH orders - whose kids are being wilfully clueless. Refusing to understand that "no public or private gatherings" means "don't hang out with friends even if you ARE 6 feet away", "We can rent a beach house and quarantine there just as well as at home, right?" etc.

Bottom line: whose money is paying for this beach house? Are these kids using Mommy's or Daddy's VISA to make the reservation?

Every kid has a phone these days. And who pays for it? "Oh, it's cheaper to stay on Dad's family plan."

Guess what? If Dad's name is on the bill, and especially if it is Dad's checking account set up to autopay, then DAD can call Verizon or Sprint and say, "Block this number on my account."

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Bottom line: whose money is paying for this beach house? Are these kids using Mommy's or Daddy's VISA to make the reservation?

Every kid has a phone these days. And who pays for it? "Oh, it's cheaper to stay on Dad's family plan."

Guess what? If Dad's name is on the bill, and especially if it is Dad's checking account set up to autopay, then DAD can call Verizon or Sprint and say, "Block this number on my account."

Easy-peasy
That only works if all of them are using Daddy's and/or Mumsie's money, and all of the Daddies and/or Mumsies cut them off. In reality, what would happen is that those who aren't cut off will offer crash space to those few who are cut off.

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I'd be much more willing to blame the stupid kids if the municipal governments had shut things down and they were defying a stay at home order.

Spring Breakers are not known for their shrewd cost-benefit analysis, and expecting them to somehow figure this one out is not reasonable.

We should be angry at the city managers that didn't shut them down and clear the beaches and bars.
Good point ó although Iím often impressed by the sense of responsibility and judgment among my students (state college system, not the big research-1 campus). They arenít all academically curious, but they are more mature than I was at that age when it comes to this sort of thing.
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You can. You literally can. The virus doesn't care if you surroundings are nice or ugly. I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
In this particular case, ignoring rather a lot of pertinent facts:
- All beaches were shut down in the place she wanted to go - so even if she *wanted* to go to the beach, she couldn't have
- It was a 5 hour drive (which mandates at the least one fuel stop plus bathroom breaks, increasing exposure opportunities both for themselves and anyone they encountered
- They had sufficient food etc at their house to shelter in place for a while, and availability of food at the destination would be in question
- Medical care may have been harder to obtain at the beach
- They'd have been stuck, solo, in a place with no known support network (neighbors, friends) should anything happen
- Should their state implement a more strict shelter-in-place order, they'd have conceivably been stuck at the destination for quite some time - incurring a lot of extra expense, if they'd even been allowed to stay (in Vermont, hotels are allowed to let out of staters remain, but they cannot extend their stays).

All in all, it would have been hideously irresponsible of them to travel, even if they'd been able to get accommodations.

There's quite a lot of pushback by locals in "vacation destinations" because of people trying to flee the cities to their second homes - and carrying the virus with them. Not just relevant to "stupid kids on spring break", but travelling in general: my daughter lives in Vermont. The entire state's population is just over half that of my home county and has roughly the same number of cases as my county. It has 1/4 the number of cases in my state (with a population about 13 times that of Vermont).

Her town is near several ski resorts - and a lot of people from New York etc. have second homes up there. They are travelling to their second homes and often bringing the virus with them.
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In Vermont, where ski towns have been “bustling at levels normally seen at peak times during winter holidays,” according to alt-weekly Seven Days, one of the first confirmed coronavirus cases was a man from Westchester County, N.Y., who fled to his vacation home in hopes of avoiding the virus. Within 24 hours of arriving, he had started to show symptoms.

Meanwhile, vacation destinations tend to lack the infrastructure to respond to a global pandemic. As The Washington Post’s Caroline Kitchener reported, Nantucket’s hospital was only built for basic care and typically brings in doctors from the mainland in the summer. It also only has three ventilators, and some residents have been alarmed by the sudden influx of private jets and BMWs from New York.
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Bottom line: whose money is paying for this beach house? Are these kids using Mommy's or Daddy's VISA to make the reservation?

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Oh, she was trying to convince her parents to do this with her. She might or might not have had the money to pay for it - my point is not the parents supporting (or not - and in fact they refused) but that she was pushing for it, without considering the risks. The parents, being reasonably sensible, said "hell no".

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Her town is near several ski resorts - and a lot of people from New York etc. have second homes up there. They are travelling to their second homes and often bringing the virus with them.
It's not just Vermont: Ski Vacation Hot Spot Becomes Virus Ground Zero in Idaho
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A scenic Idaho county known as a ski-vacation haven for celebrities and the wealthy has a new, more dubious distinction: It has one of the highest per-capita rates of confirmed coronavirus infections in America.

Numbers from Johns Hopkins University on Friday show that with more than 80 confirmed cases of COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, Blaine County has the highest rate of cases outside New York City and its surrounding counties.
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There's quite a lot of pushback by locals in "vacation destinations" because of people trying to flee the cities to their second homes - and carrying the virus with them. Not just relevant to "stupid kids on spring break", but travelling in general: my daughter lives in Vermont. The entire state's population is just over half that of my home county and has roughly the same number of cases as my county. It has 1/4 the number of cases in my state (with a population about 13 times that of Vermont).

Her town is near several ski resorts - and a lot of people from New York etc. have second homes up there. They are travelling to their second homes and often bringing the virus with them.
This. Initially, when there were only about a dozen or so cases in Vermont, they were posting daily updates on the state website that included background info for the newly reported cases for that particular day, and most seemed to be residents of the NY or Boston metro areas who were listed as self isolating at their second homes in Vermont. Many locals, myself included, were somewhat relieved when ski areas started shutting down about a week ahead of the state mandated shutdowns because it would keep at least some outsiders away despite the fact that they are the backbone of the stateís economy this time of year.
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Also Mama Zappa, FYI, new 14 day quarantines were imposed today on most out of state visitors to VT:
https://governor.vermont.gov/sites/s...ER%2001-20.pdf
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I'd heard something to that effect. They're even going around to hotels to ensure they are complying with out of state visitors etc.

I told my daughter today that it's really lucky I didn't go up there as I'd have been stuck with her for a long time. What I did not say at the time was "and they probably wouldn't count the death(s) as COVID-related" (since I'm sure one of us would have killed the other).

The out-of-towners will be shopping at (and coughing in) the same grocery store she shops in. And if she gets sick, we have no way to help her.

Washington Post has an article about kids who are refusing to isolate. . The mother of the featured family is **immunocompromised** and the kid still goes out and hangs. ARGH.

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Washington Post has an article about kids who are refusing to isolate. . The mother of the featured family is **immunocompromised** and the kid still goes out and hangs. ARGH.

There is a simple solution. Tell him what will happen next time he does that: his ass will be locked out. And do it.

The other parents mentioned in that article are morons, also. They, along with their children, are why these stay at home orders will not work as well as they could.
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Back to the OP, I think its ok to let the kids blow off some steam.
If somebody wants to stop at a bar and have ten drinks and then drive home afterwards, do you think that's also an acceptable way to blow off some steam?

Personally, I feel your right to be stupid ends when your stupidity is endangering the lives of other people.
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I do have to wonder if the attitudes of the kids at Spring Break are any different than those at Mardi Gras, a week or so earlier. Mardi Gras is attended by people 10-40 years older than those of spring break, but otherwise rather similar. What we knew about CoVid-19 didn't really change much during that time, particularly if you weren't glued to the news at that time (that is, were partying). But, we don't hear about the horrible people attending Mardi Gras.

I suspect the explosion of cases in Louisiana is a direct result of Mardi Gras.
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There is a simple solution. Tell him what will happen next time he does that: his ass will be locked out. And do it.

The other parents mentioned in that article are morons, also. They, along with their children, are why these stay at home orders will not work as well as they could.
This parent did just that. The stupid kid went to Spring Break against his fatherís advice. He had some trouble getting a flight home, and when he got there he was locked out. His dad put a bag of groceries in his car.

Kid went back to his college town, where he still has an off campus apartment, His dada doesnít know what heíll do when his lease is up - and it doesnít sound like he cares.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/dad-b...virus-pandemic
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I'm sorry, I don't understand the parents who have their kids' footprints all over their backs.

I'm not some naive "know-it-all," either. I've raised two kids through those impossible years.

I made sure they understood who had the final say-so in all circumstances. Many times, I told the kids that I paid to put the roof over their heads, I paid for the utilities that provided them with hot showers, and my money filled the refrigerator. If they didn't like the way I ran the show, they knew where the front door was located.

Monty, upthread, said "lock the kid out." Damn straight! After scrambling around for a few days trying to find a place to sleep and mooching food, the kid will probably come crawling back home.

At which time, the kid should be given a loaf of bread, a jar of peanut butter, a blanket, and be told to sleep in the garage for two weeks.

I'd say something like, "I accept your right to make your own decisions. I also accept my right not to die. This virus KILLS people, and you have probably been exposed. We'll find out in two weeks. Send me a text if you need more peanut butter."

The idiot kid who built the "fort?" I'd say, "I hope it doesn't leak. Here's your bread and peanut butter."


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