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Old 09-28-2019, 09:41 AM
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This Is Us: Season 4


Season 4 started this week and I didn't see a thread yet. Anyone still watching?

The first episode was very reminiscent of the pilot, with stories about several seemingly unrelated people and you're trying to figure out how it all fits together.

Plus, a mini "House" reunion with both Jennifer Morrison and Omar Epps!
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Except for the beginning with Jack and Rebecca meeting her parents for dinner, I thought I was watching a completely different show, given how none of the characters were recognizable. But by the end, we learned how these new people relate to the ones we already know. The question raised by the recap at the AV Club website is whether adding this many new characters is going to cause the show to fall apart. And one of the new characters is at least a couple of decades into the future, so the writers may need to dance around showing or not showing future technology and culture.
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As I understand it, the showrunners have everything laid out for future seasons, including the ending. We won't be skipping around like Lost.

I'm glad we got to know who was connected with whom at the end. I'm wondering about the younger Big 3...surely those actors have aged up, so we may not see 10-year-olds anymore.

The actor who plays Blind Jack is actually blind, so nice bit of casting there.
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I'm definitely watching. I thought it was a great episode. I also noticed the "House" reunion.

I think Omar Epps' speech to his son about responsibility was great.
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I am surprised they are making Deja a major character this season. At least her baby daddy is getting a story arc, she was still hardly seen.
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Wait - that's Deja's baby? What did I miss?
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No, I don't think that was her baby. As I followed the story, she met the baby's father for the first time at that barbeque.
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OK, whew!
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Did I miss something? Where is the indication that Deja has a baby?
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Deja met a boy at a BBQ who already has a baby.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:33 AM
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First, they showed the teenage baby daddy. Then showed him meeting Deja at a barbecue. Since this show is not known for linear story telling, I assumed they were backing up to show where the baby came from.
I am usually not good at calling plot shockers, so I am probably incorrect.
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By "teenage baby daddy" are you referring to the man who was shown as the loving single parent to that infant? In my limited experience, baby daddy (a noxious term) is used for a man who fathers a child, perhaps out of wedlock, but has no further involvement in raising or caring for the child. What we were shown (so far) is the complete opposite of that and it's obnoxious to refer to him as such.
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The grandpa volunteered to babysit so the teen dad could go to the barbecue... which is where he met Deja.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:38 AM
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By "teenage baby daddy" are you referring to the man who was shown as the loving single parent to that infant? In my limited experience, baby daddy (a noxious term) is used for a man who fathers a child, perhaps out of wedlock, but has no further involvement in raising or caring for the child. What we were shown (so far) is the complete opposite of that and it's obnoxious to refer to him as such.
I'm not fond of the term, either. What's wrong with just calling a man a dad? However, your understanding is off a bit. According to Miriam-Webster, a "baby daddy" is:

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There's nothing in the definition that means a man who has no further involvement with his child. In fact, a TV series called Baby Daddy (Full disclosure: I never saw the show.) was about a man who found a baby on his doorstep--his own from a one-night stand--on his doorstep and raises the child.
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When I googled, other dictionaries included the idea that the child's father was absentee or not involved in raising the child (including the Cambridge English Dictionary and who knows American slang better than a group of Cambridge dons?). Either way though, I see no reason to use the term to refer to the child's father in that episode.

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The grandpa volunteered to babysit so the teen dad could go to the barbecue... which is where he met Deja.
This is a key scene I missed that changes my prediction about Deja.

And I used the term baby daddy in the sense of "father of the child who is not in a relationship with the mother". I meant it as a casual nickname and not as a slam on the guy, who so far is shown as a responsible parent.
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Yikes nobody's talking about this show anymore. To me it's actually gotten more interesting. I really enjoyed this season, especially this week's episode focusing on Deja's relationship with Randall and the new boyfriend and how he makes her feel like she's found her place compared with Randall's relationship with his own dad and the teacher that made Randal recognize his place.
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The last couple of episodes have been a bit slow, but I still enjoy the show. I like that they're keeping the 10 year old actors now as pre-teens...nice bit of continuity there.

Jack was being an ass and I'm so glad Becca put him in his place. Pre-teen Kevin was also an ass.

I love how Randall and Beth can get the parenting down without losing their temper. Lots of thick tension there but the point was definitely made with Malik's parents and vice versa. I think that young actor is a beautiful young man...he looks so much younger than 16.

I'm not familiar with Philly...that last scene on the water, with the building lit up? What building was that?
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I was disappointed when in the previous episode (the golf one) Kevin slept with the veteran who was estranged from her husband.
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I was disappointed when in the previous episode (the golf one) Kevin slept with the veteran who was estranged from her husband.
I am so grateful for your reply because I was confused by your comment until I went to Hulu and realized I completely missed that episode. Hulu's personalized system has failed me a few times this year. I even missed The Simpsons' Halloween episode this year until after Halloween. Where's the fun in that?
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In that case, sorry for spoiling the episode for you.
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In that case, sorry for spoiling the episode for you.
Well honestly I kind of saw it coming. This show is like that though, they have a lot of foreshadowing that seems so obvious, but then enough surprises that I keep coming back. It didn't bother me either that he was with a married woman because it seemed that they were broken up already and it looked hopeless. He shouldn't be having sex with her for AA reasons I guess but "the heart wants what the heart wants" and both their hearts seemed to wanna do it. Hopefully their story will have a happy ending because the Zoe thing seemed doomed from the start anyway.

I loved the golf story so much though. Randall's story is more fascinating to me than the rest.
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...that last scene on the water, with the building lit up? What building was that?
That is Boathouse Row, on the Schuylkill River, just a little North of the art museum and across the river from the zoo.
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Thanks for bumping the thread. We've had to DVR a couple of episodes and catch up the following week, so I haven't been staying current.

I too, really enjoyed the Randall golfing episode. First I thought it took real guts to risk looking like a complete idiot on the golf course just to try to mend fences with the other councilmen. But then to discover that he was "playing down" to them the whole time... Just perfect.

I'm curious to see where they go with Kate and her record store boyfriend. I get the feeling he must have been abusive or something.
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I was disappointed when in the previous episode (the golf one) Kevin slept with the veteran who was estranged from her husband.
I, too, was highly disappointed. Most of this show is a family trying to do the right things all the time. There is nothing right about sleeping with a married woman. And he didn't even have alcohol to blame.

Damn you, Kevin!

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I too, really enjoyed the Randall golfing episode. First I thought it took real guts to risk looking like a complete idiot on the golf course just to try to mend fences with the other councilmen. But then to discover that he was "playing down" to them the whole time... Just perfect.
Not perfect.

Randall was deceptive, conniving and manipulative. Of course, the end justifies the means, right? On what basis did he decide that the best approach was to lie about his golf ability?

Also, Kevin is the actor, not Randall. It's unrealistic to have Randall "stay in character" for the 3-4 hours of a golf game and not have any of the three men notice that he's better than what he pretended to be.

And how long does Randall expect to carry on the ruse? Did nobody notice him at the driving range?
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I hated Deja's boyfriend. I don't know why his interference bothered me so much when Randall's flashback interference didn't. I think they were supposed to both work together and show that the boyfriend (Malik?) is a good person just like Randall but I got creepy control freak vibes. I didn't get supportive person trying to help Deja find the courage to speak up. I found him bossy and way out of line. And then talking to Bethany like they were PEERS. I found it too familiar and just plain yuck.

Not that I think he was wrong in principle, but I thought the execution was not endearing. I don't think the show was trying to go for a pre-stalker, emotional abuser thing.
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It sounds like Rebecca is showing the first signs of Alzheimer's or some other memory disorder. I think that explains who Randall and his daughter were on their way to visit a season or two ago.
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I think so too. I think she's taking so many pictures because she can't remember things.

Anyone else catch the shout out to Once Upon a Time?
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It's a good show, but I'm about sick to death of adult Kate and Toby, and the baby doesn't interest me in the least. It's the weakest part of the show.
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I'm interested in seeing how they tie Toby and Kate's story together. IIRC, it's implied at the end of the last season, where Rebecca is dying, that they are no longer together.

Honestly, the thing with the avocado was a bit silly. Maybe because they're first time parents, and I understand Toby missing a couple of "firsts" but Kate was overly upset about it. Couldn't she just take it as First Time Daddy Feeds Baby Jack Avocado?
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Doesn't it seem odd that everyone seems to scatter to the four winds on Thanksgiving? "Oh, I'm going to a movie." "Oh, I need a snack with my niece." "Oh, I have to drive to New Jersey." (I can kind of see that one, to get the Pilgrim Rick hat.)

I didn't think pregnant women could eat shellfish? It seems kind of odd that Big Baby Jack (oh, boy, this back and forth is going to kill me) would bring out five pounds of shrimp to his pregnant wife. Why wouldn't he be celebrating with his family?

The part at the end with Rebecca was heart-wrenching. Was that an accurate portrayal of the early stages of Alzheimer's? Do you get distracted and then forget what you were doing originally?

I missed this, but it was pointed out that Kate signs her name as "Kate Pearson" when Rebecca makes it to the cabin in the future flash forward, but then I've read that was a red herring since she never took Toby's name when they got married.

Any ideas on what the falling-out is between Randall and Kevin? And I bet we're supposed to think Kevin's fiance is Cassidy, but again, this show is great at the misdirection.
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Doesn't it seem odd that everyone seems to scatter to the four winds on Thanksgiving? "Oh, I'm going to a movie." "Oh, I need a snack with my niece." "Oh, I have to drive to New Jersey." (I can kind of see that one, to get the Pilgrim Rick hat.)

I didn't think pregnant women could eat shellfish? It seems kind of odd that Big Baby Jack (oh, boy, this back and forth is going to kill me) would bring out five pounds of shrimp to his pregnant wife. Why wouldn't he be celebrating with his family?

The part at the end with Rebecca was heart-wrenching. Was that an accurate portrayal of the early stages of Alzheimer's? Do you get distracted and then forget what you were doing originally?

I missed this, but it was pointed out that Kate signs her name as "Kate Pearson" when Rebecca makes it to the cabin in the future flash forward, but then I've read that was a red herring since she never took Toby's name when they got married.

Any ideas on what the falling-out is between Randall and Kevin? And I bet we're supposed to think Kevin's fiance is Cassidy, but again, this show is great at the misdirection.
Shrimp is "low mercury" and considered safe for pregnant women. Not sure why blind Jack wouldn't be with his family but maybe by that time they've passed away?

When Kate signs the paper, she is wearing her wedding ring. Not sure what the implications are here, but since it's only 9 months into the future, perhaps they are separated?

My guess is that Randall and Kevin are not speaking for either of two reasons: 1. Kevin's ticked off for not telling the family sooner about Rebecca's illness, or 2. Randall is resentful towards Kevin for helping Tess come out to her friends instead of Randall being the one to do so.
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My guess is that Randall and Kevin are not speaking for either of two reasons: 1. Kevin's ticked off for not telling the family sooner about Rebecca's illness, or 2. Randall is resentful towards Kevin for helping Tess come out to her friends instead of Randall being the one to do so.
Randall doesn't seem the type to stew, so if he were upset about Tess coming out I think he would have pulled Kevin aside then and there. I'm going to guess their blow-up is about something that hasn't been revealed yet.

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The whole misdirection thing with Rebecca was really well done, but now I need to go back and watch again. I didn't notice at the time if she was wearing the same clothes as when she left the house on Thanksgiving, but that would have been a sure tip-off. Was she wearing a coat? Nine months after Thanksgiving would be August...

It seems odd that Russell Randall would notice Bec's memory problem, but not Miguel, who lives with her every day. Or maybe he's noticed but just never bothered to say anything?

I'm guessing the Kevin/Randall feud is related to Tess' coming out. I thought for sure that the person at the drive-thru speaker would turn out to someone Tess goes to school with.
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When she stormed out of present day Thanksgiving, she was wearing pajamas and was going to change. So we didn't see her as she left the house.

I think Miguel has noticed, as he had to buy her a new iPhone (three cameras, nice product placement there. I hope NBC got their money's worth from Apple) but he could be in a state of denial.

I'm also going to bet that the "her" in Toby's text (don't let "her" get you down) may be Toby's boss, and that a female co-worker is commiserating with him. But Beth is right...talk to your SO about what's bugging you, not other people.

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I'm guessing the Kevin/Randall feud is related to Tess' coming out.
I got the impression that Randal was okay with it and a little relieved actually. Didn't feel like it would be an issue that would fester into a feud between brothers. Their relationship has always had its peaks and valleys. My money is on something else (whose hint has probably been missed by everyone) causing this.

And the bookie gave me points.
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And the bookie gave me points.
I'm pretty sure they got the betting part of the story incorrect. It's not shocking to get points for a football when betting on it.

And it seems like he won more than $200 that he said he bet, which doesn't make sense.

I'm betting (ha!) that the brotherly fallout is over their mother and what to do about it.
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Makes perfect sense if he was getting 3 to 1 odds, or maybe even 4 to 1.
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I guess the game was played back when there was no OT? So if it's a tie or Dallas loses Nicky wins?
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NO, there's always been ties allowed in the NFL, they are just very rare. There is a set amount of time for OT and if no one scores during set time, the game ends in a tie.
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Huh. It happened this year, between the Lions and the Cardinals, 27-27. We watch mostly college football in the IvyAbode, where they play until someone wins, I believe.
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Correction, I looked it up and I was wrong, the game that was used on the show was from Nov 27, 1969 and it was the last season before the AFL NFL merger so the rules were different. The game ended in a regulation tie with no OT.

But, regardless, Nicky was given a point spread which Dallas did not cover so that is why he won the bet.
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I'm guessing the Kevin/Randall feud is related to Tess' coming out. I thought for sure that the person at the drive-thru speaker would turn out to someone Tess goes to school with.
I thought the same thing. I thought the fast food worker was going to say something like, "Wait, don't I know you from school?"

And this isn't the first time I've seen in TV or movies a fast food drive-though shown with a clown head to order from. But I've never seen that in real life. Is there a real-world fast food chain that uses a clown head?

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I'm also going to bet that the "her" in Toby's text (don't let "her" get you down) may be Toby's boss, and that a female co-worker is commiserating with him. But Beth is right...talk to your SO about what's bugging you, not other people.
As for that, the phone screen said the message came from someone in his "Crossfit Group", so I don't think it was a co-worker. Perhaps it's all a massive fake-out but the show is definitely suggesting that Kate and Toby end up divorced.
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Makes perfect sense if he was getting 3 to 1 odds, or maybe even 4 to 1.
But that's not how football betting works. You either get odds, or you get points. Not both. Unless the bookie was completely stupid. Of course, thinking about it now, maybe that's why Jack was so surprised he got points.
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If it was a group text, then the "don't let her get you down" text might not have been about KATE. It could have been about someone else's female family member. I mean, if you've been on a group chat, there's always one person who responds to an individual text out of sync with the rest.

And it doesn't mean that the person has the right sense of their dynamic and is projecting. But the big point is that Kate is going to flip out. And you know what? If she gives him a chance to explain, that's ok. It goes back to what Bethany said about if you're not discussing your marriage with your spouse but instead with other people, it makes things worse. As a survivor of a terrible marriage, talking to others about your spouse CAN be really bad for the relationship.

(Like if you're terribly immature and the person you're talking to is toxic and unhelpful, it becomes an unfixable feedback loop that might contribute to your eventual divorce, for example.)
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And this isn't the first time I've seen in TV or movies a fast food drive-though shown with a clown head to order from. But I've never seen that in real life. Is there a real-world fast food chain that uses a clown head?
Jack in the Box used to, back when I was a kid. Not sure if they still do. (We don't have any around here.)
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I assumed the Randall thing might be an upcoming blow-up about him not telling Kevin and Kate anything about mama's issues but with this show who knows? This could be about something they've never mentioned even once. He didn't seem bothered at all about his daughter and Kevin.

The Kate Toby thing just gets more annoying as it goes. Nobody gets that upset over missing first solid food. He knows he's spending a lot of time at the gym so it's his own damned fault anyway. He'll probably end up seeking solace with another crossfitter when Baby Jack has his first bite of cashew cheese and Kate will be upset because it's a potential allergen and she'll run to Stroke Guy. Kate is nothing but "oh but I'm fat" to me. That's all this character is about. I'm nearly her size and I see far more to my own life. She could be so much more than this. The actor is good. It's just a crap character.
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Nobody gets that upset over missing first solid food. He knows he's spending a lot of time at the gym so it's his own damned fault anyway.
I thought the exact same thing. I thought he was going to break down laughing and say something like "Come on Kate, it's fine. Nobody would get that upset over missing first solid food" It just seemed like something his character would do. When he didn't, I was annoyed. I hope the writers are not starting to inject out-of-character behavior just to introduce drama
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Kate is nothing but "oh but I'm fat" to me. That's all this character is about. I'm nearly her size and I see far more to my own life. She could be so much more than this. The actor is good. It's just a crap character.
Unfortunately I know many people IRL who act the same way, male and female. They do nothing to improve themselves, which is their right, but then they mock or shame people who do try to eat healthy and work out.

As for Kate and Toby, I don't like how she does not support his desire to be healthy, she resents it. And that would drive anyone away.

And I also find it odd that Miguel seems so clueless about Rebecca's memory issues. I too think her condition is the cause of the brother's feud.
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