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Old 03-20-2020, 07:27 PM
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Having a new baby in the midst of a pandemic


... is much more stressful than we could ever imagine. We welcomed a baby girl today. The hospitals policies are changing almost hourly. My wife has had a nagging cough last 10 days, nobody thinks it’s the virus, due to no other symptoms, but who can be sure. Of course they certainly wouldn’t test her without a fever, even though she was considered a moderately high risk pregnancy. Hospital dealt with multiple higher ups deciding to become involved in her case, due to the reported cough, each giving different orders and directions. Our baby was delivered by c-section this morning, no isolation determined necessary, and mama and baby were allowed to be together for the first few hours. Then came again the threat of possibly forced isolation due to determined risk to baby (ahem.. if baby was determined to be at risk why on earth would that decision be made hours after allowing skin to skin contact?!) While waiting for the decision, a doctor comes and explains the reasoning , for if that decision is ultimately made. Explains to us the risk of vertical transmission is high , and while children seem to have low risk, newborn babies have a mortality rate of 10% (!!) I ask how has that number been determined? Have any babies died from this virus yet? Surely that would have been news?! Doctor explains that is the risk level that has been determined for newborns based on the cumulative data.

Are there ANY age breakdown on worldwide deaths other than an initial set of data from China, from February?
The one constant we’ve used to reassure ourselves throughout this mess is at least babies and children have minimal risk, but now we’re told that’s not correct, at least for not for infants. Why are there detailed age demographics only for deaths in China up to end of February, but nothing else? Is there nowhere to officially confirm if any, or how many, newborn deaths have been attributed to the virus?

Ultimately it was decided my wife was not high enough risk to have the virus to warrant isolation. I guess that’s great since they don’t have to be separated, but if newborns have a 10% fatality risk, now at this stage in the pandemic I wonder if it’s worth the risk for ANYONE, considering the high reported number of those potentially infected without the major symptoms.

And if the medical experts have truly determined newborns to have a 10% fatality risk, I’d say it’s beyond absurd that testing has not been determined mandatory for late term pregnant women in the days before their delivery, especially if they present ANY symptoms, without necessitating specifically FEVER being required

Baby is so far doing well
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:35 PM
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We welcomed a baby girl today.
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:41 PM
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Welcome to the world Baby Bootis.

I hope you can all remain healthy throughout this ordeal.

Congratulations.
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Old 03-20-2020, 08:52 PM
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Official CDC guidance. Such as it is.

In terms of vertical transmission. No not high risk. Cannot yet say zero. Too little of an n.
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Can COVID-19 be passed from a pregnant woman to the fetus or newborn?
We still do not know if a pregnant woman with COVID-19 can pass the virus that causes COVID-19 to her fetus or baby during pregnancy or delivery. No infants born to mothers with COVID-19 have tested positive for the COVID-19 virus. In these cases, which are a small number, the virus was not found in samples of amniotic fluid or breastmilk.
Isolation from would not be advised even with COVID-19 documented or being a suspected case. Breastfeeding allowed. Mask and handwashing.

Made up garbage from that doc. I do not believe there have been any infant deaths. It is true that there were, in the early days in China, more sicker kids in the infant group than in kids older, but unclear if they all had COVID-19 or actually had something like RSV. None died.

And 10 plus days in both low risk for mom to be very contagious with whatever she had and high odds of having had enough time to transfer over some protective antibodies transplacentally.

Congratulations!!!
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IMHO, you’re better off with your newborn at this early stage. My upstairs tenants are expecting a baby girl in June, and my daughter is expecting a baby boy in July — when things should be really awful — and they’re scared shitless.

And congratulations + best wishes! Have you decided yet upon Yale or Harvard law school?
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Old 03-20-2020, 11:43 PM
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Hi there - congrats!! We welcomed a little girl on Feb 1, and have gone through stages of anxiety re: COVID-19 and babies. I can tell you what OUR doctor and pediatrician have said. The pediatrician confirms that her info suggests children AND infants seem to suffer very mild or no symptoms, and (this was a couple of weeks ago) that we should be more concerned about Flu or RSV for our babes right now, since those are baddies they're most likely to get. My OB confirms that infants have mild or no symptoms and was also not-very-concerned.

I saw this report today of a 10-month old in China who has died, but they had been suffering from a bowel blockage unrelated to the virus. Other children in the article who'd been hospitalized also had "serious health conditions" unrelated to the virus.

My own experience: I work at a Children's Hospital in a region that's been hard-hit by coronavirus, and we've had 5 confirmed cases, all of whom are recovering at home.

So, I'm less worried these days, but then again our baby is healthy also a little bit more robust at 7 weeks old. Nobody wants their newborn baby to get sick or have a fever. I know at my hospital, a <3 month old with a fever in the ED typically gets a lumbar puncture to rule out meningitis... nooooo thank you! So, my take is that we take our social distancing thing seriously, and not get too crazy worried about it.

Of course my husband is an RN who goes back to work in 2 weeks, at a hospital where he'll be taking care of COVID patients... so I'm sure my anxiety will be revisited then. :-(
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Old 03-21-2020, 12:00 AM
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Baby girls are great!

@Bootis - congrats on the baby Bootis. Does she have a name or should be forever known on these boards as BB (baby Bootis)?

@partlycloudy - congratulations to you as well. BTW, if by coincidence you work at Seattle Childrens, just want to say that place rocks and my family has used tons of their resources (pediatric dentistry, autism clinic, neurology, sleep clinic, urgent care, gender clinic, and I'm prolly forgetting a few in there).
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Congrats on the baby! Is she your first? Second? Ninth?
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Congrats on your new little one!
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Official CDC guidance. Such as it is.

In terms of vertical transmission. No not high risk. Cannot yet say zero. Too little of an n.

Isolation from would not be advised even with COVID-19 documented or being a suspected case. Breastfeeding allowed. Mask and handwashing.

Made up garbage from that doc. I do not believe there have been any infant deaths. It is true that there were, in the early days in China, more sicker kids in the infant group than in kids older, but unclear if they all had COVID-19 or actually had something like RSV. None died.

And 10 plus days in both low risk for mom to be very contagious with whatever she had and high odds of having had enough time to transfer over some protective antibodies transplacentally.

Congratulations!!!

Thanks- I can understand the urgent need to make sure nobody underestimates this, but I feel like knowingly presenting false information as fact to achieve this is reckless, especially from doctors. I wish she had just said “we simply don’t have enough data to know the risk, so we need to treat it as high risk until we have more data”
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Congrats on the baby! Is she your first? Second? Ninth?

Thanks- it’s our third, we were figuring this one would be least stressful
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