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Imagine 35 83.33%
Heal the World 7 16.67%
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Old 03-23-2020, 12:31 PM
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Better song? Imagine or Heal the World


Simply put, which cheesy song that is overused is actually better?

I think it is clearly "Heal the World" by Michael Jackson. In fact, it is no contest. Imagine is a stupid song that only seems to have meaning the first few listens. When you repeatedly listen to Imagine, you learn that it is empty and also a kind of annoying song.

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Note: I am not giving a third option. I just want to know which song you think is better.
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Old 03-23-2020, 12:37 PM
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I googled Heal the World, because I was unfamiliar with it. It didn't move me. I've never been much of a Michael Jackson fan, so that may explain it. Imagine isn't perfect, but it's a good song.
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Remember, you forced this on me:

Imagine is superior because it doesn't proselytize Christmas to the world.
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Old 03-23-2020, 05:15 PM
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Is Heal the World not super famous? I'm blown away. I thought it was a massively famous song...
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All the imagery of kids in the official video is a bit creepy, knowing MJ's reputed interests.

And I never considered it a particularly popular song. Seemed pretty schmaltzy to me at the time, and to me, time has not improved it.
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Old 03-23-2020, 05:40 PM
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Yeah, I don't recall this song, either. Looks like it only hit #27 here in the US on the Hot 100, which is a fairly middling hit here.
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Old 03-23-2020, 05:44 PM
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No contest--Imagine.

Hearing the song instantly takes me back December 14, 1980 when radio stations observed 10 minutes of silence in memoriam. During those minutes I went through my Lennon and Beatles albums, thinking about how the songs had been a big part of my life. Imagine was the song played to end the silence.

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Old 03-23-2020, 06:02 PM
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I didn't vote because I've never heard of Heal The World.
Pop music is a big part of my life, and I thought I knew all of MJ's work. Guess I missed one.

But I do think Imagine, is over-rated and over-played. I'm betting if John Himself showed up he'd say "You, yeah, you, wanker. Why you playing this mushy shite over and over? It sounds like one of Paul's songs..."
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Old 03-23-2020, 06:12 PM
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I too have never heard of Heal the World.

Imagine is an easy song to listen to. Slow and rhythmic piano, pretty boring lyrics aimed to be philosophical. Not a song I'd go out of my way to play but if a station aired it I enjoy it.
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Old 03-23-2020, 06:15 PM
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Neither is great. Both were written by huge gaping hypocrites. Elton John sent Lennon a card with the Imagine Lyrics rewritten:

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“I gave it to John Lennon when I went to visit him. I thought it was a good present for a man who had everything. John and Yoko were as bad as me when it came to shopping. The various apartments they owned in the Dakota [in New York City] were so full of priceless artworks, antiques and clothes that I once sent them a card, rewriting the lyrics to ‘Imagine’: 'Imagine six apartments, it isn't hard to do, one is full of fur coats, another's full of shoes.’”
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/elto...ennon-imagine/
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"Rio" by Duran Duran
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Of course I remember "Heal the World" - it's the song that made me lose whatever little respect I still had for Michael Jackson. How could I forget it?
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Never heard of "Heal the World", and "Imagine" is a fascist song, so can't vote.
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Old 03-24-2020, 06:19 AM
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I consider myself a Michael Jackson fan in the sense I know all of the singles / smash hits and iconic videos. I'm not as familiar with his deep cuts but certainly recognize some.

I've never heard Heal the World and when I checked it out, I hated the video, lasted up the chorus and then came back here to post this.

I saw no need to vote in the poll.
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Old 03-24-2020, 06:30 AM
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I don't recall having ever heard "Heal the World" and from comments here, it sounds like I shouldn't bother.

I never liked "Imagine" even when it was first getting airplay. Its continued popularity is something I've never understood.

So it's a draw.
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Old 03-24-2020, 08:35 AM
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There should be an option for 'neither'.

But if I'm forced to choose, it has to be Imagine. Michael Jackson's song leaves me cold.


For a cheesy song that's actually moving, and a video with children that's not creepy, how about...

Pete Seeger's version of Forever Young
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Old 03-24-2020, 09:01 AM
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Never heard of "Heal the World", and "Imagine" is a fascist song, so can't vote.
It's more of a communist song, for me. No country, "nothing to live or die for", no possessions….
Hate it just the same.
This Imagine/Jump mashhup is something we can all agree on, though.
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Old 03-24-2020, 09:09 AM
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I love both of the songs, so it’s a real choice for me.

Heal the World is nice to listen to, and has good lyrics. Great for lyrical dance. We’ve used it for dance performances at our church. It’s an unobjectionable song.

Imagine, however, is simply beautiful. Easy lyrics, easy melody, everyone can sing along. The lyrics express the kingdom of God on earth. It’s a great way to tweak the noses of churches who’ve forgotten the message of Christ.

I could’ve voted either way. But like many others, Imagine is bound up with memories and emotions from Lennon’s murder. I choose it.
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Old 03-24-2020, 10:56 AM
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I confused HTW with the other glurgefest that is Do They Know it's Christmas?, which, as bad as it is, is still better than HTW. Nice intention but musically sucky in every way.

Not a fan of JL apart from the Beatles, and Imagine has lost it's impact due to overplay, but aside from the lyrics it really is a pretty song.
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Old 03-24-2020, 11:28 AM
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Imagine is better if sung to the tune of Folsom Prison Blues (a la Puddles and Pinball Wizard).
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Old 03-24-2020, 01:38 PM
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Never heard of "Heal the World", and "Imagine" is a fascist song, so can't vote.
I know fascism is a poorly defined term, but this is one of the more absurd statements I've read in a while. If you stretch you could call it communist but even that requires you to project an awful lot onto the minimalist lyrics.
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Old 03-24-2020, 03:53 PM
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Never heard of Heal the World.

Googling indicates it might be a Michael Jackson song. I know a lot of his songs, not this one.

Gave that one a little bit of a listen. Nope. Not one of his best by a long shot. Not worth a second listen, IMHO. No wonder it's comparatively obscure.

When it isn't as "good" as Ebony and Ivory, that's saying something.
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Old 03-24-2020, 05:25 PM
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I agree that Imagine is a bit overplayed and melodically simple, and that its enduring appeal is mainly in its association with John Lennon in his late 1960s/early 1970s "peacenik" phase (charges of hypocrisy aside). It's still more true to form and better on its own than Heal The World, IMO a very forgettable piece.

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Never heard of Heal the World. ... When it isn't as "good" as Ebony and Ivory, that's saying something.
Yeah, that, pretty much.

Plus, treacle aside, at least Imagine offers a concrete path to peace: forgo religion, nationalism, and materialism (who said this song was "fascist?" It explicitly advocates erasing the idea of a "country" worth dying for!). Heal the World offers nothing but a wish for the world to be healed. Or, for people to want the world to be healed. OK?

MJ's Man In The Mirror says something similar but far more effectively, because at least it's introspective. It never says what the "change" that needs to happen actually is, but at least he's talking directly to the Man In The Mirror and asking him to Take A Look At Yourself, And Then Make A Change. (Give your change?) Also musically superior to either Imagine or Heal The World.

Though to me, better than any of those for this kind of sentiment would be U2's song, Peace On Earth. I don't think it ever charted, not in the UK, Europe, or the USA, but it never fails to move me.
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Old 04-02-2020, 04:12 PM
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I chose 'Imagine' for its melody, but there should have been an option for, "Having needles jammed into my ears", which I would have chosen instead.
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:44 PM
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When you witness something awful, sometimes you are moved to do something. Since Imagine has a great amount of unmotivated approval, I can only assume the MJ song has motivated more people to do something about it. The world can't help but benefit.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:40 PM
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For me it is a question of which do I dislike the least. I guess Imagine, by a hair. A very fine hair.
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