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Old 03-15-2019, 05:56 PM
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Cosigned, although you seemed to undercut your point later in your comment.
Undercut by, "I don't have the need and I don't want to contribute to "hits" and popularization of the videos"? "Need" may be the wrong word, because I like to think I would try to act against the bad guys and it would be good to have at least a basic strategy for that. I just can't say that on any given day I'd care if I got taken out this way--it's a personal thing. Dunno, it was clumsily worded. But I stick by the other comment about not wanting to help popularize it. I may not care if I get brained, but I'm not especially eager for it to happen.
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I have echoed Sam Harris in pointing out in the past that these kinds of attacks are almost always inflicted by, not against, Muslims. This is a massive counterexample, and I just wanted to state for the record that I see and recognize that.
Translation: "This makes the Right look bad, so I'd better make sure everyone knows that The Muslims Are The Real Monsters."
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white supremacist right wing terrorism is pretty much standard for Trump & Fox & Friends.

You repeated yourself twice, maybe thrice, here.

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Surely a large number of his supporters cheered the news.

Want to really go down a rabbit-hole? Check the "reactions"/comments on the Yahoo! articles about this incident. You will only be surprised at the level of vehemence of such support, not the existence itself.
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I have echoed Sam Harris in pointing out in the past that these kinds of attacks are almost always inflicted by, not against, Muslims.
"Almost always"? Do you have a cite, or is this just more ass-derived bullshit? From what I've seen, in the West and in Europe, mass shootings are more likely to be perpetrated by Western men, usually young and white.
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Der Trihs had it right. Why ask questions of him? It would be nice if this thread didn't turn into a slacker inc feed fest.

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I always wonder, when people get on their high horse disapproving of those of us who are curious to see these things: do they also think it was wrong for people to want to see World War II footage on newsreels in the 1940s, or decades later on the History Channel?
I expect, maybe wrongly, that these videos will be much more graphic and shocking than old WWII footages.

Also, it's for me in large part related to the idea of seeing people in the process of dying, rather than already dead, regardless how graphic the latter could be.
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Andy, I am talking about mass terrorism in advanced democracies, involving either Muslims as the killers or the primary targets.


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Translation: "This makes the Right look bad, so I'd better make sure everyone knows that The Muslims Are The Real Monsters."

Better get that translator checked. I have always vigorously opposed the right, since I started posting here and well before. In my adult life, I voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, and Hillary. And I will not be voting Trump in 2020!
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You repeated yourself twice, maybe thrice, here.




Want to really go down a rabbit-hole? Check the "reactions"/comments on the Yahoo! articles about this incident. You will only be surprised at the level of vehemence of such support, not the existence itself.
Upon reading your post, I did. I opened the comments of the last published article on Yahoo news related to the topic (it was about the reaction of French Muslims at some mosque, asking them if the attack made them afraid). I just checked the original comments, not the answers to them.

Out of 22 comments, one was supportive. The 21 others were various level of anti-islam, anti-Muslims or anti-immigrant sentiment, many brutal and insulting. The 21 anti-Muslim comments garnered a total of 51 thumb down. The only supportive comment got 24 thumb down.
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Andy, I am talking about mass terrorism in advanced democracies, involving either Muslims as the killers or the primary targets.
This is weirdly specific. I imagine if we look at all terrorism in which white supremacists are either the killers or the primary targets, we'd find that white supremacists are much, much more likely to be the killers.
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We constantly hear “mentally ill people are much more likely to be the victims than the perpetrators of violence.” Is that “weirdly specific” too?

And you seem to be missing that my point was to say “this is a terrible tragedy, first and foremost; secondarily, it undercuts my thesis and I am acknowledging that.” I thought you might be glad I didn’t just go dark after this shooting, and selectively pipe up when shootings fit my narrative.

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Or said the worshippers should have been armed - until realizing that this happened on the other side of the world.
I somehow doubt that such people would be likely to advocate in favor of arming Muslims.
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This is weirdly specific. I imagine if we look at all terrorism in which white supremacists are either the killers or the primary targets, we'd find that white supremacists are much, much more likely to be the killers.
That ignorant racist buttmunch already has enough bandwidth dedicated to him--could we maybe not entertain him here?
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Translation: "This makes the Right look bad, so I'd better make sure everyone knows that The Muslims Are The Real Monsters."
Damn straight. This confirms my opinion of Slacker.
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To me it is ironic that the shooter is angry about foreigners whom he sees as an invading force. I wonder what the Maori natives thought when the Europeans started moving in?
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And the white trash "president" downplays terrorism when it's his fellow travellers. Nothing to see here, folks. Some fine people on both sides, yes sirree bob.
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Better get that translator checked. I have always vigorously opposed the right, since I started posting here and well before. In my adult life, I voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, and Hillary. And I will not be voting Trump in 2020!
The Houston Astrodome never had this much astroturf.
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To me it is ironic that the shooter is angry about foreigners whom he sees as an invading force. I wonder what the Maori natives thought when the Europeans started moving in?
The irony is far richer than that. The gunman is Australian, more foreign to New Zealand than many of those he shot, who were most likely citizens.
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The killer flashed the alt right OK sign in court. The same one employed by Trump
supporters in the White House.

https://twitter.com/josh_emerson/sta...117893637?s=21

https://twitter.com/wheelswordsmith/...997837312?s=21

But I’m sure that’s a coincidence.
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We constantly hear “mentally ill people are much more likely to be the victims than the perpetrators of violence.” Is that “weirdly specific” too?

And you seem to be missing that my point was to say “this is a terrible tragedy, first and foremost; secondarily, it undercuts my thesis and I am acknowledging that.” I thought you might be glad I didn’t just go dark after this shooting, and selectively pipe up when shootings fit my narrative.
...fuck off you racist, islamophobe, piece of shit. We don't need to hear your fucking voice in this thread. You should have been banned long ago. Do the decent thing and stop sullying this thread with your presence. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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The killer flashed the alt right OK sign in court. The same one employed by Trump
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https://twitter.com/josh_emerson/sta...117893637?s=21

https://twitter.com/wheelswordsmith/...997837312?s=21

But I’m sure that’s a coincidence.
No, it's not a coincidence, his stated goal was to sow division and inflame Left Vs. Right division, and seems that a lot of people here are helping the bastard with the plan.

Well done.
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No, it's not a coincidence, his stated goal was to sow division and inflame Left Vs. Right division, and seems that a lot of people here are helping the bastard with the plan.

Well done.
...lets not pretend that holding people who hold beliefs like this:

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I have perhaps not said, but will say now FTR, that I also welcome immigrants from virtually any other part of the world, as long as they are not Muslim.
to account is in any way complicit with with the stated goal of this terrorist. This isn't about "left vs right." SlackerInc insists he is "on the left." I'll take him at his word. SlackerInc also doesn't welcome Muslim's to his country. I'll take him at his word about that as well. People who hold view like that shouldn't be given a platform. And they don't need your defense.
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No, it's not a coincidence, his stated goal was to sow division and inflame Left Vs. Right division, and seems that a lot of people here are helping the bastard with the plan.

Well done.
What a worthless statement. Alt-right edgelords and the "centrists" who defend them should be policed like all other radical extremists, clerics, and terrorist sympathizers.

"Great replacement," "White genocide," "ethnostate," "race realist," and all other alarmist, dehumanizing right-wing conspiracies need to be treated as the violent call-to-arms that they are.

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The murderous lump of garbage in human form behind the massacre explicitly stated that the type of reactions your are engaging in was part of his plan.
You just can't help yourselves, can you?
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The murderous lump of garbage in human form behind the massacre explicitly stated that the type of reactions your are engaging in was part of his plan.
You just can't help yourselves, can you?
He got me to hate violent alarmist rhetoric? Wow, I shouldn't play into his hands. I guess the alt-right deserve to be treated as our moral equals.

Thank you. This epiphany wouldn't have happened without you and that high horse of yours.

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The murderous lump of garbage in human form behind the massacre explicitly stated that the type of reactions your are engaging in was part of his plan.
You just can't help yourselves, can you?
...that "murderous lump of garbage" is trolling you. That's what these people do. I'm not going to let him dictate how I live my life, what I say, what I do and who I call out. You've fallen completely into his trap. But you just couldn't help doing that, could you?

Do you really expect me not to call out Islamophobia when I see it, just because of what this "murderous lump of garbage" said? You want me to shut-the-fuck up? Shutting the fuck up is what got us to where we are today.
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Curiosity--what does one of these rampages look like? What would one look like in places I frequent? What chances did the victims have to escape that they failed to take? What chances did the lucky ones have to overcome the shooters? Confirm it actually happened. To humanize the victims, and to make the killings real vs names or categories of people on the television. To see whether the body count is due to the specific weapon & configuration or to strategy, luck, and helplessness of the victims. I could go on, and none of my reasons would have anything resembling a pleasant orientation.
Sure, I guess those are all things that people could get from it but I just can't put myself in that mindset. For me it is too intrusive, almost pornographic to the point where it overrides any intellectual benefit I might get from it. My reaction to it is also coloured somewhat by what I imagine to be the motivations are of the people broadcasting the footage.

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To say a viewer would watch the video for kicks or worse (although this being the world it is, there are surely some) is just plain lazy and ridiculously judgmental.
To make a blanket statement of that nature would indeed be lazy and ridiculous.
The average person is not going to do it for kicks or any malevolent reason, it is going to be the equivalent of slowing down to look at a car-crash except in this case they are driving out of their way to do so. (I confess I keep my eyes firmly on the road when passing RTA's).
If it were a video of a real rape and murder I suspect there would be more of a "kicks" element to it for more viewers and my initial reaction would be that footage of such a crime is "different" somehow and there is less scope for legitimate viewing. Though I have a very hard time nailing down exactly why it is different.

The TLDR is that I feel very uncomfortable with people seeking it out even though I'm not entirely certain myself why I feel that way.
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The murderous lump of garbage in human form behind the massacre explicitly stated that the type of reactions your are engaging in was part of his plan.
A really dumb plan. The kind of accelerationist, race-war fantasy plan that typically has the opposite of its intended effect. I see no reason to care about it.

Also, refusing to condemn the Right, admit how bad they are and actually stand up to them is exactly what has let people like him become so numerous and powerful. Not the opposite. WWII wasn't won by being nice to the Nazis and pretending they weren't bad people.
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It's very simple, if you use this atrocity to increase the Us Vs. Them rhetoric you are carrying out his plans to create conflict as he explicitly stated.
When a terrorist tells you he is going to do something so that the reaction he expects from you will fulfill his agenda, most non-stupid people would refuse to play along.
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It's very simple, if you use this atrocity to increase the Us Vs. Them rhetoric you are carrying out his plans to create conflict as he explicitly stated.
When a terrorist tells you he is going to do something so that the reaction he expects from you will fulfill his agenda, most non-stupid people would refuse to play along.
Where is your moral compass? There is an Us vs. Them

US = all peaceful people.
Them = those that deny the Social Contract.

My tolerance does not extend to those who advocate dehumanization and violence towards minorities. Fullstop. I barely can tolerate those who defend these people.
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It's very simple, if you use this atrocity to increase the Us Vs. Them rhetoric you are carrying out his plans to create conflict as he explicitly stated.
...your a fucking tool. It is "us vs them." Its us, on both the left and the right, who are opposing the racists and the bigots. This isn't "rhetoric." This is about survival. What the fuck do you think happened yesterday? You are being trolled and you've fucking fallen for it. You've fallen for the terrorist narrative.

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When a terrorist tells you he is going to do something so that the reaction he expects from you will fulfill his agenda, most non-stupid people would refuse to play along.
And yet here you are, playing the fuck along. Are you fucking stupid?

What the fuck is it you want me to do? You want me to ignore someone who has declared that they "welcome immigrants from virtually any other part of the world, as long as they are not Muslim." You want me to pretend that he didn't say that, lest the "terrorists win?"

This is the reality:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...X5m6XDkh12Ba5c

You've been trolled. You are being played. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I'm not playing nice with the likes of you and Slacker any more. Not after what happened yesterday. You can just fuck-the-fuck off. You are enabling these people. Stop doing that.
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Where is your moral compass? There is an Us vs. Them

US = all peaceful people.
Them = those that deny the Social Contract.

My tolerance does not extend to those who advocate dehumanization and violence towards minorities. Fullstop. I barely can tolerate those who defend these people.
I don't like those that advocate dehumanization and violence, and I don't feel the need to constrain that to a specific group of people.
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It's very simple, if you use this atrocity to increase the Us Vs. Them rhetoric you are carrying out his plans to create conflict as he explicitly stated.
When a terrorist tells you he is going to do something so that the reaction he expects from you will fulfill his agenda, most non-stupid people would refuse to play along.
No, that's standard right wing victim-blaming rhetoric. What we are supposed to do is what you say; sit by passively until we get carted off to the death camps, because nobody bothered to stand up to the right until too late.
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I don't like those that advocate dehumanization and violence, and I don't feel the need to constrain that to a specific group of people.
"You're intolerant because you can't tolerate the intolerant." Fuck off!

Preaching alarmist, conspiratorial violence isn't a fucking game or philosophical exercise. Such people need to be monitored, controlled, demonetized, and restricted like we do with all other violent extremists.

I don't need to accept targeted acts of, live-streamed, mass slaughterings as just the burden of allowing enabling profitable, violent speech.
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You want me to ignore someone who has declared that they "welcome immigrants from virtually any other part of the world, as long as they are not Muslim." You want me to pretend that he didn't say that, lest the "terrorists win?"
I think what terrorists of all kinds want us to do is to have the discussions on their terms. They want to polarise and divide and avoiding doing that is the part that is completely in our control.
The above statement you quoted is bigoted bullshit. Acknowledging it as such and calling it out is the right thing to do. Pointedly criticising those that spew such stuff is the right thing to do. What is far more problematic and what delights the extremists is when we begin hollow out the middle ground of discussion and make it a no-go area.
There is a legitimate, non-bigoted, case to be made regarding controlled immigration. The danger (which is already manifesting itself I think) is that those even beginning to have that discussion get labelled as far-right sympathisers and as such their opinion can be safely ignored.

I'm not suggesting that you are doing this, neither explicitly nor implicitly, but handing that middle ground to bigots and extremists is very dangerous indeed and we should all be careful not to do so.
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What is far more problematic and what delights the extremists is when we begin hollow out the middle ground of discussion and make it a no-go area.
There is a legitimate, non-bigoted, case to be made regarding controlled immigration. The danger (which is already manifesting itself I think) is that those even beginning to have that discussion get labelled as far-right sympathisers and as such their opinion can be safely ignored.

I'm not suggesting that you are doing this, neither explicitly nor implicitly, but handing that middle ground to bigots and extremists is very dangerous indeed and we should all be careful not to do so.
That is true for some people ostensibly near the "middle" but on an individual basis. If the quote in question had come from someone whose other views were not widely known, it could be the basis for a discussion, but since we already know how the conversation will go, it comes across as needlessly inflammatory and borderline trolling since not only do we know the conversation would be useless, he knows the conversation would be useless and so the easiest conclusion is that he is posting this just get a rise out of the rest of the Dopers.
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And you seem to be missing that my point was to say “this is a terrible tragedy, first and foremost; secondarily, it undercuts my thesis and I am acknowledging that.” I thought you might be glad I didn’t just go dark after this shooting, and selectively pipe up when shootings fit my narrative.
"I am acknowledging that this is a counterexample to my thesis, but hardly sufficient to undermine my thesis: the real problem is still Muslims" was what I drew from your post.

If I was wrong in any of that, please feel free to correct me.
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There's an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies.
Because of course he'd say something like that.

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It's very simple, if you use this atrocity to increase the Us Vs. Them rhetoric you are carrying out his plans to create conflict as he explicitly stated.
And if there's one thing you can trust a murderous asshole to do--a murderous asshole who's steeped himself in the filthiest corners of 4chan and reddit--it's to play it with you straight, right? Because there's no way he'd try to fuck with you.

Dude. Paying his self-aggrandizing claims any fucking mind at all is carrying out his plans. When you talk about his tune, you're dancing to it.

Ignore his psychopathic psychobabble. Do the right thing, which is to condemn and marginalize and disempower the xenophobes and racists and white supremacists who make space for his brand of mass murder.
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No, it's not a coincidence, his stated goal was to sow division and inflame Left Vs. Right division, and seems that a lot of people here are helping the bastard with the plan.

Well done.
A man who murdered a bunch of people finds inspiration from the same place as the president of the United States' supporters, and discussing that fact is where the problem lies in your mind?
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...lets not pretend that holding people who hold beliefs like this:



to account is in any way complicit with with the stated goal of this terrorist. This isn't about "left vs right." SlackerInc insists he is "on the left." I'll take him at his word. SlackerInc also doesn't welcome Muslim's to his country. I'll take him at his word about that as well. People who hold view like that shouldn't be given a platform. And they don't need your defense.
Thanks for posting that link. Now I shall regard SlakerInc as nothing more than the bigoted piece of shit that he is.
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Ignore his psychopathic psychobabble. Do the right thing, which is to condemn and marginalize and disempower the xenophobes and racists and white supremacists who make space for his brand of mass murder.
...And, obviously (so obvious I forgot to say it at first), the right thing to do is to marginalize the forces, whether lobbyists or propagandists or manufacturers, that make these big massacres and dozens of daily low-key murders possible. End the gun hegemony in our political system.

Now I know you're getting ready to freak the fuck out, Ale, and start telling me about how my inability to visually distinguish between an AR-15 with a bump stock and an AR-15 without a bump stock makes my opinion on gun issues irrelevant. BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT THIS GUY WANTS YOU TO DO!!!1!!

Don't argue. Don't deepen the divisions. Come together, and let's work to end gun violence.

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And if there's one thing you can trust a murderous asshole to do--a murderous asshole who's steeped himself in the filthiest corners of 4chan and reddit--it's to play it with you straight, right? Because there's no way he'd try to fuck with you.

Dude. Paying his self-aggrandizing claims any fucking mind at all is carrying out his plans. When you talk about his tune, you're dancing to it.

Ignore his psychopathic psychobabble. Do the right thing, which is to condemn and marginalize and disempower the xenophobes and racists and white supremacists who make space for his brand of mass murder.
No kidding he wasn't playing it straight. That's why he lavished praise on Candace Owens even though his racist self didn't like her. Everything around her is a ball of division and chaos. Of course hitting checkpoints like that helped a goal of his. I'll defer to what experts would have to say but I'm pretty sure most of them would also see this.

1. He was a hateful bigoted psychopathic murderer.
2. He wanted to exacerbate discord and balkanization in society.

Those two items aren't at all mutually exclusive. It seems like people are arguing as though they are. Very sad.

Your last paragraph comes down to who we label as such and there is a lot of ambiguous area where we need to careful, not necessarily applicable in this case.
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Can I imagine shoving the guy out of an airplane (with a parachute) so that he lands, oh, about 20 yards from the Kaaba?

With a sign pinned to him.
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I have echoed Sam Harris in pointing out in the past that these kinds of attacks are almost always inflicted by, not against, Muslims. This is a massive counterexample, and I just wanted to state for the record that I see and recognize that.
Classy as always.

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And you seem to be missing that my point was to say “this is a terrible tragedy, first and foremost; secondarily, it undercuts my thesis and I am acknowledging that.” I thought you might be glad I didn’t just go dark after this shooting, and selectively pipe up when shootings fit my narrative.

I think most here would prefer you didn't "pipe up" at all.

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Can we stop pretending this shit is just an accident now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-husband-says/
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Can we stop pretending this shit is just an accident now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-husband-says/
Did you read the article?


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The idea that the hand sign is a secret symbol for white power owes its mainstream spread to a viral troll campaign aimed at making liberals and the media look gullible. In February 2017, 4chan’s /pol/ board discussed ongoing tactics to try to get the idea to go viral. “To any who haven’t seen the original thread, our goal is to convince people on twitter that the ‘ok’ hand sign has been co-opted by neo-nazis,” the original poster of the thread wrote.

As BuzzFeed has reported, /pol/ was gleeful when the okay hand sign started to get mainstream traction. As the campaign spread, however, the symbol was simultaneously adopted by the alt-right — an umbrella term for those on the far right who embrace white nationalist views — and the pro-Trump Internet, both of whom seem to primarily use the gesture to “trigger” liberals who believed the hand sign was a decoder ring to detect secret Nazis.

It's not really a "White Power" symbol, just a troll symbol.

I'm going with the ADL, they seem a little more reliable than some alt-righties from 4chan.

If she meant it as such, she's completely retarded. (She's not even white)


(I'm soooo tired of this stupid meme. Congratulations. You've done exactly what a bunch of basement dwelling losers wanted you to do. Thanks for making the left look like a bunch of complete fucking morons)
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Did you read the article?











It's not really a "White Power" symbol, just a troll symbol.



I'm going with the ADL, they seem a little more reliable than some alt-righties from 4chan.



If she meant it as such, she's completely retarded. (She's not even white)





(I'm soooo tired of this stupid meme. Congratulations. You've done exactly what a bunch of basement dwelling losers wanted you to do. Thanks for making the left look like a bunch of complete fucking morons)

I don’t give two shits whether it is a white power signal or a trolling signal of solidarity amongst white supremicists. It’s a distinction without a difference and our fucking White House shouldn’t be encouraging it.
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Did you read the article?





It's not really a "White Power" symbol, just a troll symbol.

I'm going with the ADL, they seem a little more reliable than some alt-righties from 4chan.

If she meant it as such, she's completely retarded. (She's not even white)


(I'm soooo tired of this stupid meme. Congratulations. You've done exactly what a bunch of basement dwelling losers wanted you to do. Thanks for making the left look like a bunch of complete fucking morons)
It may have started as a troll, but it has since been coopted by the right. The same way Pepe the Frog started out as a troll but has become a right wing symbol.

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People wearing Bernie Sanders gear verbally attacked Chelsea Clinton at a vigil for the dead in New Zealand for being responsible for the New Zealand shooting.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/nyu-st...and-shootings/
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CHELSEA CLINTON??? WTF? This world is going crazy.

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It may have started as a troll, but it has since been coopted by the right. The same way Pepe the Frog started out as a troll but has become a right wing symbol.

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Not everybody knows that though. If someone saw say, my father make that sign, it would be a pretty safe bet he wasn't making a WP gesture.
Like I said, if you read the article, it's more of a "I'm going to flash this to make people think I support WP" or actual alt-righties who just like to piss people off.


People would probably be a lot better off ignoring 4chan. Then perhaps we wouldn't be seeing things like free bleeding and the like.
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