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Old 06-19-2019, 10:14 PM
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Jessica Jones Season 3


Just finished the season. Better than S2 I think but S1 is still a bar too high too hit.

Anyone else watch it yet?

Plenty of stupid stuff, some of which is bad enough to take one out of the story even. Rachel Taylor just does not deliver well enough on Trish and her arc. The prime villain though was well acted.

Probably should keep this spoiler free for now. At some point though I think we'll have given people enough time to have seen it and I propose that at some point (open to discussion when) we post a big lettered post warning open spoilers from there.

Sorry that this the end of Marvel on Netflix. And even if the shows get rebooted on Disney+ in 2 plus years (there's talk) I have no intent to pay for that service.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:48 PM
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I already know Iím going to pay for Disney. I wonít be able to help myself.

I have not seen this yet so Iíll refrain from commenting. I thought Season 2 was very uneven. Itís a little hard to watch because itís hard to like any of the characters. Like every other Marvel/Netflix show I thought the season was 2-3 episodes too long for the plot. Hope this one is better.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:52 PM
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Watched it. It was okay. Nothing really stands out enough to comment about, though.
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Old 06-23-2019, 03:52 PM
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My wife and I watched it. JJ is by far her favorite of the Netflix MCU stuff (and it's close, for me).

We both thought that it was a bit shaky in the first few eps, with questionable writing and poor, phoned-in acting. But it got better as it rolled along, and eventually the writing got better, tighter, and made more thematic sense, and the acting varied from just fine to outstanding at several points for most of the main actors.

All in all, I'd agree that it's not as good as Season 1, but better than 2 and still pretty good TV. I actually thought the ending was well done and kinda poignant. I looked over to see what my wife thought and was surprised to see she had tears in her eyes. The ending really worked for her on a number of levels.

I get a little misty-eyed myself, when I think of how this is, I guess, the final thing we get when it comes to the Netflix MU stuff. They've really done an amazing job with these titles, and even the stinkers (Danny Rand) were worth watching and could have been redeemed with enough care. Incredible (at times), unique television that took risks that I worry we won't ever see again now that Disney has taken over.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:00 PM
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I liked it better than S2 but it was still too uneven. I could see what it was trying to be, but it didn't come together. Writing? Directing? Acting? A bit of everything? I don't know what the failure was. Maybe it was just too long since the last season.
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:58 AM
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Just finished it on the weekend.

I liked it overall. A bit patchy at times, with a few cliches and eyeroll moments but I still enjoyed it.

Donít think Iím spoiling anything to say I liked the nod to the wider MCU, in reference to the Sokovia accords and the Raft. Presumably this means Jessica is registered with whichever body overseas enhanced individuals?
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:15 AM
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Saw it, thought it had some good moments but was not so great otherwise. They haven't been able to top having Killgrave as the big bad from season one and subsequent villains just don't stack up. There are some positives though. Ritter kills it as Jones, she's just really good as the little bit too sardonic, super powered private eye. Ekra Darville's Malcolm and Carrie-Anne Moss's Hogarth are also very good. Interesting that Hogarth seemed to want to set things right but just couldn't help herself. I liked the Erik Gelden character OK, the actor was decent.

The not so positives: like the OP said, Rachel Taylor is just not great in her role. She has moments, but she's just not strong enough. The recovering street walking hooker with a heart of gold seems soooooooo tropey and they didn't do anything interesting with it. Salinger wasn't that interesting of a character either, super genius serial killer has been done before as well and nothing he did really set him apart from any other villain. His arc could have ended several episodes sooner. I wish they could have redeemed Trish Walker. These shows are different than the comics, I understand, and having her marry the Son of Satan would be pretty out there for this series but Hellcat didn't have to be a bad guy.

Seeing Jessica Jones in action also makes me wish that they could have gotten the Defenders in on the final battle in Avengers. I know there would be contracts and agreement issues and lawyers and timing and an already crowded battlefield and everything else that stood in the way but having them pop in and getting a "Sweet Christmas" from Cage then Jones punching a bunch of aliens would have been sweet.
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Salinger wasn't that interesting of a character either, super genius serial killer has been done before as well and nothing he did really set him apart from any other villain.

He is actually a (deeply modified) character from the comics, too.
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I just finished watching the season and I'm confused by the ending. Was the purple tinted Killgrave talking in her head just a way to show her changing her mind about leaving? Or were they trying to imply that he's still got some connection in her mind even after death?
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I just finished watching the season and I'm confused by the ending. Was the purple tinted Killgrave talking in her head just a way to show her changing her mind about leaving? Or were they trying to imply that he's still got some connection in her mind even after death?
I think he is the "bad devil" in her head that tempts her to do what is wrong. If she can hear Kilgrave saying it, it's wrong.

I think it was just her changing her mind about leaving.
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Old 07-01-2019, 06:09 PM
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I just finished watching the season and I'm confused by the ending. Was the purple tinted Killgrave talking in her head just a way to show her changing her mind about leaving? Or were they trying to imply that he's still got some connection in her mind even after death?

It was something hastily tacked on to soften a downer ending. Sort of an inverse "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet."
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Old 07-02-2019, 12:08 AM
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I liked it better than S2 but it was still too uneven. I could see what it was trying to be, but it didn't come together. Writing? Directing? Acting? A bit of everything? I don't know what the failure was. Maybe it was just too long since the last season.
I haven't seen Season 3, but my complaint about Season 2 (and the Jessica Jones parts of The Defenders) is that the character is too one-note ("I'm bitter about my life") for my taste.

Then again, I liked The Punisher and it doesn't get much more one-note than that character.
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Old 07-02-2019, 07:50 PM
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I haven't seen Season 3, but my complaint about Season 2 (and the Jessica Jones parts of The Defenders) is that the character is too one-note ("I'm bitter about my life") for my taste.

Well, of course someone named HOGARTH would call JJ too one-note.

I didn't find her one note. I have ptsd too and I found its portrayal moving and I could see the baby steps as she recovered and had setbacks.

I found Trish to be too one-note after S1. Kill kill kill.
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Old 07-07-2019, 10:38 AM
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My wife and I enjoyed it. JJ is her favorite of the Netflix MCU. I don't think they can top Kilgrave as a bad guy, either.

I will wait until we can do spoilers to come back and talk specifics.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:41 PM
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Finally got around to watching it. Really poor fight scenes. The whole Hogarth subplot with her former lover was excruciatingly boring. I know that shows today feel they have to pander to folks of all stripes to make more money, but cripes, at least make it interesting. Also, having a son who drank himself to death makes the constant boozing in this series something that just makes me angry and sad. I give it a D+.
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Old 07-10-2019, 06:50 PM
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As the opening poster I am suggesting the we open this up to spoilers now. 3 weeks is enough to have given people enough of a chance.


OPEN SPOILERS AHEAD









Space added to give a chance to avoid looking below ....

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Old 07-10-2019, 08:20 PM
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and having her marry the Son of Satan would be pretty out there for this series
Considering that she exists in the magic-soaked milieu of the Defenders, with its dragon dust and all, Son of Satan would not at all be out of place, had Marvel Netflix continued (or if it eventually does on Disney+)
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If Frank Castle is an anti hero for killing people, why is Trish a villain instead of an anti hero? They do the exact same thing. They just use a different methodology.
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I don't know that Trish isn't an antihero, but an intentional one, which may be the difference? Punisher starts out looking for the societally accepted wife/child "justified revenge" so he gets a pass for heading down a dark path. Plot circumstances keep placing him in no-win situations where he must kill or torture to save innocent lives.

But then, Trish just went stomping down the dark path on purpose, and has proven that she'll choose to kill rather than trust the justice system to handle miscreants. I'm not saying they haven't let her down in the past. But she's more of a Dexter, really, looking for someone she can justify going after and doing away with, rather than responding to circumstances she can't get away from.



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Trish didn't start killing until after her Mom died, making her a revenge arc as well. Prior to Dorothy's death, she was Spiderman without the webs. I thought Jessica's forgettable boyfriend manipulated Trish into killing both men. I think if the series were to continue, he would attempt to manipulate Jessica in the same way. I think she should be classified as an antihero. She just didn't have the same legal excuse or representation to get her out of trouble like Frank did.

Did Hogarth kill herself after her last episode ended? "You are the last mistake I will ever make." I'm pretty sure that if there was a season 4, she would not be in it.

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Old 07-14-2019, 05:45 PM
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Trish had already killed Jessica’s mother.

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What they did to Trish in season 2 convinced me not to watch season 3.
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What they did to Trish in season 2 convinced me not to watch season 3.
Let me know if you want it spoiled. You may have made the right choice.
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Let me know if you want it spoiled. You may have made the right choice.
I spoiled it for myself already. I wanted to find out if they redeemed her. If they had, I would have watched it, but when I found out they just doubled down, I had no interest in it.
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I don't have much to say about it. It was ok. But, Malcom getting with that skank made me throw up in my mouth a little.
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