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Old 05-22-2019, 02:21 PM
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The only scenario I see for anyone to beat him is if he finds a Daily Double fairly late in the game, bets a lot of money, and gets it wrong. This would put a competitor within striking distance going into Final Jeopardy. Then James would have to miss the Final Jeopardy question as well.
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Old 05-22-2019, 02:33 PM
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His average is higher than anyone's highest single win. It being higher than Jennings' is a logical consequence of that.
He is like the Don Bradman of Jeopardy!
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The only scenario I see for anyone to beat him is if he finds a Daily Double fairly late in the game, bets a lot of money, and gets it wrong. This would put a competitor within striking distance going into Final Jeopardy. Then James would have to miss the Final Jeopardy question as well.
Yeah, much like Ken Jennings, I think the only person than can beat James is James himself.
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Old 05-22-2019, 04:14 PM
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The only scenario I see for anyone to beat him is if he finds a Daily Double fairly late in the game, bets a lot of money, and gets it wrong. This would put a competitor within striking distance going into Final Jeopardy. Then James would have to miss the Final Jeopardy question as well.
He's smart enough to know how much he can safely bet at any time. He will go all in on a DD in the first round because he knows that he can quickly retake the lead even if he has to start over. In the second round he is more conservative and his bets are generally in the $9,812 to $12,000 range. He's often up over $20,000 by that point. He's not going to blow a locked game on a dumb bet.

His average Coryat score, which ignores the effect of the Daily Doubles, is about $30,000. He would beat most players easily even without finding any DDs, and has done so at least once.

I think he'll lose when he comes up against players who realize that the only way to have a chance is to play the way he plays. I don't think there are many who have the stomach for it. Risking "losing" $10,000 or more on a bet is a big deal to most and they won't be able to do it even if it's the only way they could win. We've seen it many times already. There's no point in betting to preserve your stack when you have $5,000 and James has $20,000. Bet it all and hope to find another DD so you can bet it all again. Otherwise just stop playing because you won't win.
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Can we think of any single stat of his that's more impressive than this? Even if he gets the money record and the longest streak, this average (if it continues) is kind of harder to believe than any of the rest of it.
Kinda reminds me of Wilt Chamberlain. His scoring 100 points in a single game is an impressive stat, but the fact that he averaged over 50 points a game over an entire season is mind blowing.
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Old 05-22-2019, 06:40 PM
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I think he'll lose when he comes up against players who realize that the only way to have a chance is to play the way he plays. I don't think there are many who have the stomach for it. Risking "losing" $10,000 or more on a bet is a big deal to most and they won't be able to do it even if it's the only way they could win. We've seen it many times already. There's no point in betting to preserve your stack when you have $5,000 and James has $20,000. Bet it all and hope to find another DD so you can bet it all again. Otherwise just stop playing because you won't win.
There was one day when someone came close, and the second-place finisher had something like $54,000.
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There was one day when someone came close, and the second-place finisher had something like $54,000.
Yep, the second-place guy, whose name was Adam Levin, actually had the lead after he answered the final question correctly, with $53,999. Then James also answered correctly and finished with $54,017.

Levin's total of $53,999 is the highest 2nd place total in Jeopardy history for regular play.
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I know this is totally shallow--especially in a thread about a contest of knowledge--but today's contestant Mary Peace is smokin' hot.
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Kinda reminds me of Wilt Chamberlain. His scoring 100 points in a single game is an impressive stat, but the fact that he averaged over 50 points a game over an entire season is mind blowing.

It really is. But even there: it's not like 50 points was better than the best single game total any player ever had (at least I don't think so).

ETA: How many total Jeopardy games have been played, anyhow? 50,000, something like that?
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ETA: How many total Jeopardy games have been played, anyhow? 50,000, something like that?
Well, 52 weeks * 5 = 260 weekdays in a year, so 2600 per decade? Under 10,000 I would guess.

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Yes, Tangent, that is totally shallow and irrelevant to the thread. Keep it in your pants.
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Apologies if this has already been covered, but I wonder what the constraints on Jeopardy are with regard to doing something to end this streak. If they wanted to, could they at some arbitrary point say, "Enough"? As a game show, they have to follow certain rules, right? Or do they already have some limit and it just hasn't been reached yet?

James is impressive and may be good for ratings for now (I guess?). But what if he's still winning 6 months from now? A year from now? Surely at some point he becomes a drag on the show's continued success.
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Instead, James Holzhauer may choose to retire before that point. If he ever accumulates $10M in winnings, I think that’s more than enough to retire on, comfortably.

Either that, or he breaks the show. Or he breaks the production company, Jeopardy Productions, Inc.
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Here's an interesting idea discussing his strategy.

https://youtu.be/4Z922g9R6xE
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Today’s contestant performed fairly well but she finished a distant second to James Holzhauer. If she bet it all in Final she would have inished with $14,000. And yes she is quite attractive.

The third contestant ended in the red and could not participate in Final Jeopardy.
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Old 05-23-2019, 02:59 AM
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Here's an interesting idea discussing his strategy.

https://youtu.be/4Z922g9R6xE
That 8+ minute video was pretty good, thanks davidm. Yes, James Holzhauer is changing how the game is played. I am enjoying watching him on his run.
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Ratings crumbled during the 2 week teacher tournament. Judge Judy took top spot.

Holzhauer is definitely drawing in the viewers. It will get more compelling as he gets closer to ken Jennings record.
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That 8+ minute video was pretty good, thanks davidm. Yes, James Holzhauer is changing how the game is played. I am enjoying watching him on his run.
His strategy is working for him but it does have to be backed up by an encyclopedic knowledge of trivia.
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The only scenario I see for anyone to beat him is if he finds a Daily Double fairly late in the game, bets a lot of money, and gets it wrong. This would put a competitor within striking distance going into Final Jeopardy. Then James would have to miss the Final Jeopardy question as well.
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He's smart enough to know how much he can safely bet at any time. He will go all in on a DD in the first round because he knows that he can quickly retake the lead even if he has to start over. In the second round he is more conservative and his bets are generally in the $9,812 to $12,000 range. He's often up over $20,000 by that point. He's not going to blow a locked game on a dumb bet.
The thing is, even though he's raking in tons of cash, he's leaving a fair amount of money on the table by being more cautious than is strictly necessary.

In Double Jeopardy, his favorite bets on Daily Doubles are $11,381 (his wife's birthday: 11/3/1981), and $11,914 (his daughter's). Yet most of the time he could bet more and still retain an unbeatable lead. I have to believe that his math skills are such that he could figure out the optimum amount on the fly, but I suspect that he makes these smaller bets because they humanize him by displaying devotion to family members and by not mechanically going for the absolute maximum he could wager.

I haven't bothered to figure out exactly how much more he could have won (it would be an interesting problem to work on), but several times I've noticed that he could have risked 50-100% more on a DD and still been out out of reach if he had gotten it wrong.

So, as well as he's done, and as much as he's made, I believe he's intentionally not winning as much as he is actually capable of, probably to reduce the resentment such an overwhelming performance might create in the viewing public.
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I haven't bothered to figure out exactly how much more he could have won (it would be an interesting problem to work on), but several times I've noticed that he could have risked 50-100% more on a DD and still been out out of reach if he had gotten it wrong.

So, as well as he's done, and as much as he's made, I believe he's intentionally not winning as much as he is actually capable of, probably to reduce the resentment such an overwhelming performance might create in the viewing public.
It's still a lot of math to do on the spot to figure out how much he can safely bet. I feel like he became more conservative once he realized he could actually beat Jennings record.
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Do they allow the contestants a calculator or even pencil and paper for calculating the final jeopardy bet?
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Do they allow the contestants a calculator or even pencil and paper for calculating the final jeopardy bet?
I think they get pencil and paper.
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Do they allow the contestants a calculator or even pencil and paper for calculating the final jeopardy bet?
Pencil and paper, yes. A calculator, no.
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The thing is, even though he's raking in tons of cash, he's leaving a fair amount of money on the table by being more cautious than is strictly necessary.

In Double Jeopardy, his favorite bets on Daily Doubles are $11,381 (his wife's birthday: 11/3/1981), and $11,914 (his daughter's). Yet most of the time he could bet more and still retain an unbeatable lead. I have to believe that his math skills are such that he could figure out the optimum amount on the fly, but I suspect that he makes these smaller bets because they humanize him by displaying devotion to family members and by not mechanically going for the absolute maximum he could wager.

I haven't bothered to figure out exactly how much more he could have won (it would be an interesting problem to work on), but several times I've noticed that he could have risked 50-100% more on a DD and still been out out of reach if he had gotten it wrong.

So, as well as he's done, and as much as he's made, I believe he's intentionally not winning as much as he is actually capable of, probably to reduce the resentment such an overwhelming performance might create in the viewing public.
Maybe, since he's a gambler, he likes to bet "lucky" amounts, like birthdays.
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Seems to be working pretty well for him, I'd say!
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Nate gave Holzhauer a good fight today. He was behind for much of the game.

Nate answered final Jeopardy correctly. Didn't bet enough.

I really thought this was it for Holzhauer. So darn close.

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Nate gave Holzhauer a good fight today. He was behind for much of the game.

Nate answered final Jeopardy correctly. Didn't bet enough.
I haven't seen the game, but I saw the results. Even if he bet it all, he would have been short, unless James missed the final Jeopardy question. (And it was a pretty easy one, at least for me.)

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Looks like the problem was Nate's Double Jeopardy Daily Double; had he bet more aggressively, he could have won.
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The Daily Double was Nates chance to get a big enough lead.

It was just bad luck Holzhauer immediately found the other daily double. That put him back in the game.

He is beatable. His game was way off today. He still won. It's going to take an aggressive player to beat him.

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Can we not post spoilers for the days game? Not everyone sees it at the same time.
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Half-agreed: I very much appreciate the heads-up of an episode worth watching, just maybe not the reason it's worth watching. Maybe toss the reason in a spoiler box?

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I'll use spoiler tags next time. Assuming someone else gives this guy a tough game.

Sorry for the slip. I got a bit too excited.

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Yeah, I was just getting excited to watch the show that is starting in a few seconds.

I'm glad I didn't find out this was the day he lost!
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What time does it air where you are? Everywhere I've ever been it is a "after the news and before prime time" show (along with Wheel of Fortune). It just doesn't seem like a daytime show... those are Let's Make a Deal and The Price is Right.
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Airs 11 AM on ABC in my area.

It's been at that time for as long as I remember.

Our mid day news comes on at 11:30-12:00.

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Given that it airs at different times in different markets, let's please box spoilers until after it's likely to have aired in most markets. If you're not sure of when that is, I imagine midnight Eastern is probably a safe bet (unless someone can come up with a firmer number on when the latest airing is?).
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Will do. I don't want to spoil the show for anyone.
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According to this 2014 article from a website called graphgraph.com, the earliest that Jeopardy is shown is in the Montgomery-Selma Alabama market at 9:30 am. The latest is after midnight in Lafayette, LA. Most of the markets show it between 4:00 and 7:00 pm. I see it at 4:30 pm.
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According to this 2014 article from a website called graphgraph.com, the earliest that Jeopardy is shown is in the Montgomery-Selma Alabama market at 9:30 am. The latest is after midnight in Lafayette, LA. Most of the markets show it between 4:00 and 7:00 pm. I see it at 4:30 pm.
A lot of people stream the Alabama showing. The results are up on reddit shortly afterwards.
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Here it has always been 7:30 Eastern. It is 7 for my SIL in Vegas (Wheel and Jeopardy are flipped). When I travel for work I usually find it around the same time.
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OK, if we take 7:00-7:30 as the latest airing time, and assume that there's a significant number of Pacific Zone stations that air it at that time, then 10:30 Eastern should be a safe time to assume that most have seen it.
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Perfectly reasonable.

And to reiterate, if there's a compelling reason to watch that day's show I would be appreciative of a heads-up in this thread. I only "spot watch" so I'll likely miss the close ones.

Compelling reasons to watch (for me) would be an unusually high or low win total, unusually high daily double bets, unusually close final scores, James having to claw his way back from an early deficit, or James outright losing. Since there are both "good" and "bad" reasons (from James' perspective) in that list just seeing "Tonight's show is a good one!" wouldn't immediately give it away.

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FWIW, Here, it is telecast at 3:30 pm CT.

but I typically binge watch, so I would know the results if he had lost.
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I just saw the episode. Wow. JH could have easily lost. Will he bear down and regain the eye of the tiger? The killer mindset to destroy his opponents? Or will he get soft, lose confidence, and show weakness and lose?

We’ll see.
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Nate did as well as he did by copying James's technique. He went for the big numbers to build up an impressive lead in the first round. When James finally loses, it will be similar to this.
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I had a tennis date at 5:30, so I could only watch the first fifteen minutes. It was intense to see James down big! I donít have a way to record live TV, so I probably would have just been late for tennis if I didnít know he was going to pull it out.

I wish they would bring back anyone who significantly challenged James. Some good players are getting fed through the meat grinder.

Did you notice Alex brought up the stat I am obsessed with at the beginning of the show?


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Perfectly reasonable.

And to reiterate, if there's a compelling reason to watch that day's show I would be appreciative of a heads-up in this thread. I only "spot watch" so I'll likely miss the close ones.

Compelling reasons to watch (for me) would be an unusually high or low win total, unusually high daily double bets, unusually close final scores, James having to claw his way back from an early deficit, or James outright losing. Since there are both "good" and "bad" reasons (from James' perspective) in that list just seeing "Tonight's show is a good one!" wouldn't immediately give it away.

I like this framework.
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hes only 9 k shy of 2 mil..... https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/je...Lie?li=BBnbfcL
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When Nate got the first DD in the second round I said, aloud, "6,000". I knew that's what he would bet and I knew that it would be a mistake. I have the advantage of having seen all of the games James has played so I know that it's common for him to go on runs where he gets 10,000 or more points in less than a minute. Nate didn't know that or didn't take it into account. My daughter asked, "But what if he missed?" Nate answered almost as many correctly as James did (26 for James, 24 for Nate). Odds were that he was going to get the DD right. If he missed it he would have lost the cushion he had and he would have been doomed anyway. Going all in was the smart move but I can understand that Nate didn't have all the information he needed or the time to do such an analysis.
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My husband and daughter thought James was trying to lose, as if he had gotten bored with the whole thing. He did seem to be slow on the buzzer. But I can't imagine he'd deliberately throw a game till he tops Ken's dollar total.

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