Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-10-2019, 06:32 PM
Dale Sams is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,908

Return to Tomorrow (TOS)


What does that title even mean?

Damn, Ms. Muldaur is fine.

I think thats the ep I've seen the fewest times. It was fun. Nimoy is great.


I'm gonna headcanon that the android tech they left behind was used eventually by Noonian Singh.
  #2  
Old 06-10-2019, 09:50 PM
Just Asking Questions is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 7,053
It means whoever came up with episode titles wasn't very deep.

Return to Tomorrow is All Our Yesterdays's Enterprise.

I always thought it was referring to Sargon et al returning to the society they had which was beyond ours, hence "tomorrow".
  #3  
Old 06-11-2019, 12:27 AM
terentii's Avatar
terentii is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Moscow/Toronto
Posts: 17,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions View Post
Return to Tomorrow is All Our Yesterdays's Enterprise.
It did give us my favorite Shatner outtake:

"Have no fear ... Sargon is here!"
__________________
"Makes you wonder why we bother, eh, Fawlty?"
"Didn't know you did, Major."
  #4  
Old 06-11-2019, 05:05 AM
Peter Morris's Avatar
Peter Morris is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The far canal
Posts: 12,553
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Sams View Post
What does that title even mean?
The three minds have been dormant for a long time. They are returning, and from their point of view it is the future, or tomorrow.

Quote:
I'm gonna headcanon that the android tech they left behind was used eventually by Noonian Singh.
Soong.

Noonien Singh was a different guy.

And it's spelt with an e.

Last edited by Peter Morris; 06-11-2019 at 05:06 AM.
  #5  
Old 06-11-2019, 09:33 AM
Dale Sams is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,908
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Morris View Post
The three minds have been dormant for a long time. They are returning, and from their point of view it is the future, or tomorrow.



Soong.

Noonien Singh was a different guy.

And it's spelt with an e.
I bet Khan could have figgered it out too!!!

Also I enjoyed:

Kirk (to a FULL FUCKING LIEUTENANT COMMANDER): "Who are you??"


I guess Kirk just gave up even pretending to not remember peoples names. No 'snapping his finger and saying "Uhm...Yeoman...?"
  #6  
Old 06-11-2019, 09:47 AM
terentii's Avatar
terentii is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Moscow/Toronto
Posts: 17,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Sams View Post
I bet Khan could have figgered it out too!!!

Also I enjoyed:

Kirk (to a FULL FUCKING LIEUTENANT COMMANDER): "Who are you??"
The response is even better:

"I was ordered to report here for landing party duty."

"By whom?"

"Strange, I'm not sure."

Duh! Maybe she should have tried to find out?
__________________
"Makes you wonder why we bother, eh, Fawlty?"
"Didn't know you did, Major."
  #7  
Old 06-11-2019, 10:06 AM
burpo the wonder mutt's Avatar
burpo the wonder mutt is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NE Florida
Posts: 23,778
But then, Mulhall gets promoted to Carrier Of The Suitcase Containing The Ugliest Ambassador In The Whole Universe.
  #8  
Old 06-11-2019, 11:07 AM
DSYoungEsq is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Indian Land, S Carolina
Posts: 14,402
Quote:
Originally Posted by burpo the wonder mutt View Post
But then, Mulhall gets promoted to Carrier Of The Suitcase Containing The Ugliest Ambassador In The Whole Universe.
After which, she gets promoted to Doctor With the Worst Bedside Manner in History.
  #9  
Old 06-11-2019, 11:22 AM
Just Asking Questions is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 7,053
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSYoungEsq View Post
After which, she gets promoted to Doctor With the Worst Bedside Manner in History.
She calls Data "Datta" and can't figure out why that upsets him.

Wish she'd fallen down a turbolift shaft.
  #10  
Old 06-11-2019, 11:23 AM
Mars Horizon's Avatar
Mars Horizon is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Floriduh
Posts: 763
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Morris View Post
Soong.

Noonien Singh was a different guy.

And it's spelt with an e.
A minor hijack, but the lack of imagination in naming characters was disappointing. I was confused when I first heard Data’s ”father”’s name because I suspected he was somehow connected to the long-deceased villain.
  #11  
Old 06-11-2019, 12:39 PM
terentii's Avatar
terentii is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Moscow/Toronto
Posts: 17,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions View Post
She calls Data "Datta" and can't figure out why that upsets him.
Well, strictly speaking, that is correct: one datum, two or more data (both with short "a").

It's a Latin word. "Data" (with long "a") is an English corruption.
__________________
"Makes you wonder why we bother, eh, Fawlty?"
"Didn't know you did, Major."
  #12  
Old 06-11-2019, 12:46 PM
Just Asking Questions is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 7,053
Quote:
Originally Posted by terentii View Post
Well, strictly speaking, that is correct: one datum, two or more data (both with short "a").

It's a Latin word. "Data" (with long "a") is an English corruption.
One is his name, the other is not.
  #13  
Old 06-11-2019, 01:53 PM
terentii's Avatar
terentii is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Moscow/Toronto
Posts: 17,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions View Post
One is his name, the other is not.
This is true. Dr Soong should have known better.
__________________
"Makes you wonder why we bother, eh, Fawlty?"
"Didn't know you did, Major."
  #14  
Old 06-11-2019, 01:57 PM
Cartooniverse is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Betwixt My Ears
Posts: 12,521
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions View Post
She calls Data "Datta" and can't figure out why that upsets him.

Wish she'd fallen down a turbolift shaft.
I saw what you did there.
__________________
If you want to kiss the sky you'd better learn how to kneel.
  #15  
Old 06-11-2019, 02:54 PM
Kamino Neko's Avatar
Kamino Neko is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Alternate 230
Posts: 15,306
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars Horizon View Post
A minor hijack, but the lack of imagination in naming characters was disappointing. I was confused when I first heard Data’s ”father”’s name because I suspected he was somehow connected to the long-deceased villain.
I'm not sure if it was the TNG writers' intent to make the connection when they named Soong, but given that the Augments and Soong's androids approach the same idea from different angles, I suspect they did.

Enterprise eventually put in a connection between the two - Soong's great-grandfather, Arik, was a supporter of the Augments, although not really a fan of Khan or his faction.
  #16  
Old 06-11-2019, 03:47 PM
Peter Morris's Avatar
Peter Morris is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The far canal
Posts: 12,553
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamino Neko View Post
I'm not sure if it was the TNG writers' intent to make the connection when they named Soong....
They were both named after a friend of Gene Roddenberry.

Although why he named a villain after his friend is unknown.
  #17  
Old 06-11-2019, 03:56 PM
Bryan Ekers's Avatar
Bryan Ekers is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Montreal, QC
Posts: 59,017
When DC comics got the license for Star Trek: The Next Generation back in the late 1980s, they tested the water with a six-issue miniseries first. Rereading it now, it's pretty awful, but jammed into the last issue like a socket wrench in a souffle is Data describing how his creator, Noonien Soong, had felt guilty about attracting the crystalline entity that had destroyed the colony Soong was on (adapting elements from the episode "Datelore").

Data: But I do know now that Soong's research of that Crystalline energy-being is what led it directly to Soong's lab colony. Which ultimately led all his assistants and colonists to their deaths at that creature's hand. It is like finding out one's own father was Khan Noonien Singh himself.


Even when I was reading it originally in 1988, I thought "Bwuh? That's an unlikely reference to him to make." I figure the writer, Mike Carlin, thought the similarity of the names had some kind of in-universe significance. According to wiki, though, both character names are actually based on that of Noonien Wang, a wartime acquaintance of Gene Roddenberry.
__________________
Don't worry about the end of Inception. We have top men working on it right now. Top. Men.
  #18  
Old 06-11-2019, 04:04 PM
Peter Morris's Avatar
Peter Morris is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The far canal
Posts: 12,553
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan Ekers View Post
According to wiki, though, both character names are actually based on that of Noonien Wang, a wartime acquaintance of Gene Roddenberry.
Tap. Tap. Is this thing on?
  #19  
Old 06-11-2019, 04:29 PM
cochrane is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: The Nekkid Pueblo
Posts: 21,593
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Morris View Post
They were both named after a friend of Gene Roddenberry.

Although why he named a villain after his friend is unknown.
Eh, he named a whole race of nasties after a fellow police officer, Wilbur Clingan.
  #20  
Old 06-11-2019, 04:59 PM
burpo the wonder mutt's Avatar
burpo the wonder mutt is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NE Florida
Posts: 23,778
^ Zefram, time for your nap.
  #21  
Old 06-11-2019, 05:12 PM
Peter Morris's Avatar
Peter Morris is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The far canal
Posts: 12,553
Quote:
Originally Posted by cochrane View Post
Eh, he named a whole race of nasties after a fellow police officer, Wilbur Clingan.
I have never heard this before. I wondered briefly if it was a whoosh, but I looked it up and it seems to be true.
  #22  
Old 06-11-2019, 06:38 PM
mbh is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,592
The practice is fairly common.

Drax, Goldfinger, Blofeld, Scaramanga, and Milton Krest were named after Ian Fleming's friends and acquaintances.

Japanese corporations consider it a compliment to have their headquarters destroyed in Godzilla movies. (But the Emperor's palace is never touched.)
  #23  
Old 06-12-2019, 01:41 AM
terentii's Avatar
terentii is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Moscow/Toronto
Posts: 17,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Morris View Post
I have never heard this before. I wondered briefly if it was a whoosh, but I looked it up and it seems to be true.
Recommend (with caveats) you read this book sometime, if you haven't already:

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Cre.../dp/B00201C6RM
__________________
"Makes you wonder why we bother, eh, Fawlty?"
"Didn't know you did, Major."
  #24  
Old 06-13-2019, 01:47 PM
TBG is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 9,067
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartooniverse View Post
I saw what you did there.
Someone's up on their lore.
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:02 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@straightdope.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Copyright © 2018 STM Reader, LLC.

 
Copyright © 2017