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Old 05-12-2019, 10:22 PM
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I’m a confirmed Bourbon man. I like an occasional good Irish whiskey. I sometimes enjoy rye. I would never allow a bottle of Canadian whisky in my house...too puckeringly sweet.

Tonight I have no Bourbon in the house, and I wanted a nice nightcap. I found an open bottle of Glenlivet single malt, bought years ago to keep around for the occasional Scotch-drinking guest, and poured a slug over an ice cube, topping with a few dashes of seltzer water.

Christ, it tastes like crushed bedbugs! Ive been to Scotland, and I’ve tried some Scotch whiskies I find palatable, but this one is going WAY to the back of the cabinet until the next barbarian comes around.

So...If you like Scotch, do you ever indulge in Irish? If you drink Canadian (like my Mom and her parents, who mixed it with ginger ale, yuk), do you think Bourbon is “too complex?” If you drink Japanese whisky, why the hell would you do that?
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How does a confirmed bourbon man find himself with no bourbon in the house?


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Old 05-13-2019, 05:08 AM
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:23 AM
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During a period of my life when I drank a lot of scotch, I found myself in a dive bar where friends of mine were performing an acoustic set. I figured I wouldn't have many choices, so I ordered "scotch, rocks" and figured I'd drink whichever brand they had.

I picked up my glass and drained half of it, and had a huge shock. I told the bartender whatever she poured me it wasn't scotch. She brought the bottle over; Crown Royal. She was in her 30s, had been a bartender there for a decade, and thought that Crown Royal was scotch. I was her first complaint.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:43 AM
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I'm a Scotch drinker when it comes to whisk(e)ys, but I don't have a single type I stick with all the time. Some days I feel sweet & mellow and want a Speyside; other days I'm feeling spicy and smoky and want a Islay. Most days I'm somewhere in between and maybe go for a good Highland. It's all good.

Bourbon I enjoy, as well, though I prefer high-rye types and tend to stay away from the wheated bourbons, which I just find a bit too sweet for my tastes. But I won't turn any down. Irish is my classic go-to for a shot & a beer type of night (although I know there are sipping Irish whiskeys out there.) American rye is my favorite of the American styles of whiskey. Canadian I've only really used for mixing.

And Japanese whiskey--although I've only had two or three different kinds--it's just fantastic.
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He drinks bourbon? All the bourbon.
This is why I can't keep tequila in the house. I would drink it all, in an unhealthy manner.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:58 AM
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She was in her 30s, had been a bartender there for a decade, and thought that Crown Royal was scotch. I was her first complaint.
A lot of people have no idea that whiskey and scotch are NOT synonymous.
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I found an open bottle of Glenlivet single malt, bought years ago to keep around for the occasional Scotch-drinking guest, and poured a slug over an ice cube, topping with a few dashes of seltzer water.
The harsh fact is that anyone who would take an exquisite 18-year old single malt Glenlivet and poison it with seltzer water and ice is a barbarian who knows nothing about Scotch and can say nothing that qualifies as an acceptable opinion of Scotch. I suppose that, with it, you would smoke something like a Phillies Cheroot instead of a Montecristo #2? Shame on you!
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:28 AM
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All the time. I prefer scotch but I also like bourbon, rye, Canadian, Irish, and Ike, if you haven't tried Suntory you really ought to. The Japanese make some damn good whiskies, like Hibiki.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:22 AM
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This Barbarian knows plenty about scotch, enough to know that Ukulele Ike is a fool for pouring seltzer water into a bottle of Glenlivet.
I also have to wonder what on earth he's drinking that he thinks Canadian whiskies are sweet, and he's drinking bourbon. I mean, the whole reason Canadian whiskey started incorporating rye was because corn-based liquor was too sweet.

Not that all Canadian whiskies have rye. Some things labelled as rye in Canada actually have no rye at all.


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The harsh fact is that anyone who would take an exquisite 18-year old single malt Glenlivet and poison it with seltzer water and ice is a barbarian who knows nothing about Scotch and can say nothing that qualifies as an acceptable opinion of Scotch. I suppose that, with it, you would smoke something like a Phillies Cheroot instead of a Montecristo #2? Shame on you!
Have to agree with this - your fault, this is a single malt (and a darn good one), sounds like what you made was some kiddie soda drink out of it then complain you can't understand it

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She brought the bottle over; Crown Royal.
Just reading that is giving me a hangover and making my stomach flip.

My brother-in-law likes scotch, and will drink any type of scotch be it Speyside, Islay or Highland, it doesn't matter to him. Offer him a bourbon or rye and he will politely decline.

Personally, I like scotch, bourbon and many ryes, but I won't drink Crown Royal or Canadian Club.
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Have to agree with this - your fault, this is a single malt (and a darn good one), sounds like what you made was some kiddie soda drink out of it then complain you can't understand it
Heavens, no. A “splash” of soda means just that. To take the edge off. You sound like you’re accusing me of pouring grenadine and pineapple juice and Coca-Cola over the whisky.

And sorry, I’m a proud American, an ice cube is not out of place.
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How does a confirmed bourbon man find himself with no bourbon in the house?
It’s a big-city thing. If I lived in a cabin in the Rockies, fifty miles drive down twisty mountain roads to the nearest town, I would keep a case of whiskey in the house (and 30 rolls of toilet paper).

As it is, pretty much everything I need is within a few blocks walk. So I buy a liter of booze at a time, and if I finish it after the wine shops have closed, I’m out of luck until the next day.
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The harsh fact is that anyone who would take an exquisite 18-year old single malt Glenlivet
I would assume Uke just had a bog-standard 12-year Glenlivet, which is pretty middle-of-the-road scotch whisky. I wouldn't sully any single malt with seltzer water (nor ice), but if you're going to do it, Glenlivet 12 or Glenfiddich 12 is probably the least objectionable scotch to do that to. Seeing that a "splash" was really just a "splash," I can't really object too much to that. Almost every whisky I put in a splash of water (like maybe a teaspoon for a 2 oz pour--maybe next none except for ritual for something like a Glenlivet that is at 80 proof, but definitely some for anything higher than that., and even more for cask strength) That's pretty typical (and the way I was taught to drink my whisky in Scotland.) I've never tried it with seltzer, though, and would wonder if the flavor of seltzer might throw it off a bit.

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Unless I’m drinking a higher end single malt or blend, it’s Johnnie Walker Black with a splash of club soda for me. Doesn’t matter if it’s my birthday, my mama’s birthday, or Jesus’s birthday!

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but if you're going to do it, Glenlivet 12 or Glenfiddich 12 is probably the least objectionable scotch to do that to.
I meant "least objectionable single malt scotch to do that to." I have no issues with Scotch & Sodas, though--like if it's Johnnie Red or Famous Grouse (though I'll enjoy the latter on its own, as well), I'm happy with a scotch and soda, where it's about one part scotch to three parts soda water.
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Canadian Club is my go-to liquor. I'd drink other whiskey no problem, but I never really think to buy anything else, so I rarely own anything else.
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I found an open bottle of Glenlivet single malt, bought years ago to keep around for the occasional Scotch-drinking guest, and poured a slug over an ice cube, topping with a few dashes of seltzer water.

Christ, it tastes like crushed bedbugs! Ive been to Scotland, and I’ve tried some Scotch whiskies I find palatable, but this one is going WAY to the back of the cabinet until the next barbarian comes around.
That surprises me. IMO, Glenlivet is one of the milder single malts. I usually drink Glenfiddich, but like to have a variety of single malts on hand. Most are fairly interchangeable, but while I like it on occasion I only rarely sample my Laphroaig, which I admit tastes like a fire in a boot factory.

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So...If you like Scotch, do you ever indulge in Irish? If you drink Canadian (like my Mom and her parents, who mixed it with ginger ale, yuk), do you think Bourbon is “too complex?” If you drink Japanese whisky, why the hell would you do that?
I like to change it up. I mostly drink single malt Scotch, and an occasional blend, but also like Irish and other whiskeys. If I feel nostalgia for my college days, I may have a Bourbon.
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The harsh fact is that anyone who would take an exquisite 18-year old single malt Glenlivet and poison it with seltzer water and ice is a barbarian who knows nothing about Scotch and can say nothing that qualifies as an acceptable opinion of Scotch. I suppose that, with it, you would smoke something like a Phillies Cheroot instead of a Montecristo #2? Shame on you!
Most of the Glenlivet whiskey I've seen is 12 year, not 18. Both I find tasty, but in different ways. I imagine a seasoned Bourbon drinker would greatly prefer the 18 as I find it much less 'Scotch-y'. I don't find what he did atrocious, though I enjoy drinking Speysides differently, of course. Drinking a spirit too warm is more unpleasant than drinking it ice cold. Much easier to sip Scotch at 60 or so degrees in the Northern UK, than in what can be much warmer climes here in the States. In short, I don't hate the ice like the books say I should. Try it different ways---I'd start by putting the bottle in the fridge for 10 minutes, pull it out, pour a small glass neat, then add things if you still don't care for it---and see what works for you.

In my personal experience with friends and family, Scotch, even milder and exquisitely smooth examples like the Glenlivet 12 year, can take quite a lot of getting used to. And even regular Scotch drinkers might gag when trying some of the peatier (No, autocorrect; not "meatier".) Islay versions.

As to the OP, I'll try most anything with alcohol in it. Sturgeon's Law often applies. Different spirits as the mood hits, but I've recently enjoyed a Rowan's Creek Bourbon quite a lot, with its delightfully complex nose, a Sapins liqueur at 110 proof, and Ardbeg's 10 year. All are wonderful.
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That surprises me. IMO, Glenlivet is one of the milder single malts. I usually drink Glenfiddich, but like to have a variety of single malts on hand. Most are fairly interchangeable, but while I like it on occasion I only rarely sample my Laphroaig, which I admit tastes like a fire in a boot factory.
I tried a shot of Lagavulin (12, I think) once. It tasted like someone had doused a campfire and figured out how to bottle it.

These days I just get the store brand at the supermarket.

ETA: does Johnnie Walker even MAKE a single malt?

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I'm with the OP.

I grew up drinking Scotch. It was what my parents drank, and it was what we had around the house. I liked it, but I never really loved it.

When I turned 30, I discovered Irish whiskey. I thought to myself, "Hey! This is like Scotch, only better!"

When I turned 40, I discovered Bourbon. I thought to myself, "Whoa."

Now I drink mostly Bourbon, and Irish whiskey on occasion. Unlike the OP, if I ever found myself without them, I'd probably just have a shot of vodka, neat, rather than drink Scotch. Better something tasteless than something that tastes of peat bog squeezings.
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...ETA: does Johnnie Walker even MAKE a single malt?
Not per the wiki, though they certainly have access to many different single malts, and could if they wanted to. The parent, Diageo, has numerous single malts in their portfolio, including Lagavulin, Knockando, and Talisker. https://scotchwhisky.com/whiskypedia/2624/diageo/

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I’ve never seen one.
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For bourbon, I like Jim Beam. I get really cranky when people insist that Jack Daniels is bourbon. I don't like Jack at all.\

But I really enjoy a good single malt scotch. Mmmmmmm, Glenfiddich.

I despise Canadian whiskeys, at least the well-known brands I've tried. They all feel "fuzzy" and "oily" to me.
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That surprises me. IMO, Glenlivet is one of the milder single malts.
Yes, Glenlivet 12 & 18 is a very mellow malt. It's one that I would think somebody used to bourbon or even Irish whiskey would have no problem enjoying. Now, the Islays (like Laphroaig, Ardbeg, Lagavulin), sure -- those are a little "different" if all you know is American and Irish whiskeys. The first time I had them, they reminded me of smoky Listerine (original flavor.) Yet, I liked them, because I'm odd like that. I can open an Ardbeg and a few seconds later, someone twenty feet away on the other side of the room will remark "did you open that whisky again?" It's pretty potent.

But Glenlivet's malts are a pretty decent and gentle bridge into the world of Scotch whiskys.
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In Scotland, I enjoyed the eastern whiskies, which tend to stink less of peat. After a nice dinner in Leith, I asked the waiter to recommend his favorite western whisky. I got a glass of something that tasted like licking out the bottom of an ashtray.

I drank Talisker in Skye, which is a western island, and enjoyed it, maybe because I was expecting more of a stench. The local whiskies in the Orkney Islands up north were very nice, I thought.
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