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Old 04-24-2019, 01:16 PM
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Live reboot of All in the Family/Jeffersons


Jimmy Kimmel and Norman Lear are producing a live 90-minute reboot of All in the Family and The Jeffersonss, which will air on ABC, May 22.

Gonna star Woody Harrelson as Archie, Marisa Tomei as Edith, Ellie Kemper as Gloria, Jamie Foxx as George, Wanda Sykes as Louise, Will Ferrell as Tom Willis.

I gotta say, I'm probably more excited about this than I should be. The people involved give me hope that it'll be done well, and it's a pretty top-notch bunch of actors. From the little bit that I've read, it sounds like it's going to be a modern update (like the recently-redone One Day At A Time), but not sure.

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I'll watch it. I wouldn't have guessed at any of those actors, but I'm sure they'll all do fine.
I hope Will plays Tom as a straight man instead of way over the top like so many of his characters are.
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A voice of mild dissent: Does the world really NEED a reboot of a show that was meant to be a reaction to the times, when those times were 50 years ago? And if they update the show to be a modern equivalent (Archie is a trump supporter, Meathead does youtube videos (in the basement!) that no one watches, etc), then isn't that just a different show, and using the name is just a crass attempt to suck in viewers on false pretenses?

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It's not a reboot or an update. More of a tribute:

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A voice of mild dissent: Does the world really NEED a reboot of a show that was meant to be a reaction to the times, when those times were 50 years ago? And if they update the show to be a modern equivalent (Archie is a trump supporter, Meathead does youtube videos (in the basement!) that no one watches, etc), then isn't that just a different show, and using the name is just a crass attempt to suck in viewers on false pretenses?
They're not remaking it, it's just a one off production. It would be similar to seeing a stage production of the shows. If I'm understanding it correctly, it's live as well. Similar to Grease and Jesus Christ Super Star and RHPC and a few others that have come out in the past few years.

As for whether or not they'll modernize it, I have no idea.

ETA, and the times being 50 years ago (if it's not updated) won't matter since plenty of people, at least my age an older, watched it back when it was on and/or still watch the reruns.

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Neither show was perfect. Carroll OíConnor was perfect in the show. You canít improve on perfection.

It was fascinating to hear Lear speak about how uncomfortable and unconfident OíConnor was with his performance.
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:06 PM
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Gonna star Woody Harrelson as Archie, Marisa Tomei as Edith, Ellie Kemper as Gloria, Jamie Foxx as George, Wanda Sykes as Louise, Will Ferrell as Tom Willis.

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Produced by Jimmy Kimmel and Norman Lear? I, too, have high hopes. I'm not generally a Will Farrell fan, and would normally balk at a tribute of this sort, but I can see this being very good. What an unexpected lineup of talent.
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It's not a reboot or an update. More of a tribute:
Cool! That was my initial hope, but started to think they were gonna do a one-time re-boot like One Day at a Time.

I'd like to see them do "Archie and the Editorial," just to see this bit of comedy gold on prime time again.

Wonder who they'll get to play the Meathead.

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The live event will re-create an original episode from both of the Emmy-winning Lear comedies.
Oh, so it will be like Gus Van Sant's tribute to Psycho.
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We've got a Meathead!

Some of the newest additions:
Michael Stivic: Ike Barinholtz
Frank Lorenzo: Sean Hayes
Anthony Anderson: Henry Jefferson
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I'd like to see them do "Archie and the Editorial," just to see this bit of comedy gold on prime time again.
Read the comments section in the link for a nice chaser of depression. Apparently, a lot of people think passing out pistols will stop school shootings.
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Oh, so it will be like Gus Van Sant's tribute to Psycho.
Or The Greatest Event in Television History.
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I often cite All in the Family as my favorite show of all time.

I am uneasy about this news.


mmm

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I often cite All in the Family as my favorite show of all time.

I am uneasy about this news.


mmm
I'm with you. I loved that show. My sisters and I had to beg my dad to let us watch it. He thought it was very inappropriate for kids. We always won the fight.

I know I'll end up being disappointed, irritated or both, but I'm way too curious not to watch.
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I was balking a bit about how Marissa Tomei does not look old enough to play Edith, but then I went to Jean Stapleton's Wikipedia page, and it seems she looked just about as young in 1977, 6 years after she started playing Edith.

I guess the voice (and maybe some makeup and her hair) and being married to Archie who looked every bit of Carroll O'Connor's age made her seem older. The latter definitely worked with Vivian Vance as Ethel Mertz.
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Weren't those CBS properties? I'm surprised that this is showing on ABC.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:56 PM
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I guess the voice (and maybe some makeup and her hair) and being married to Archie who looked every bit of Carroll O'Connor's age made her seem older.
::checks wiki::

OíConnor was in his forties for the first four seasons?
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Old 05-22-2019, 01:24 PM
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Reminder! Reminder! The 90-minute special airs live tonight on ABC. Unfortunately I won't be able to see it live, but hopefully it'll be streaming on-demand on either ABC or Hulu tomorrow.

Here's an article from a woman who attended the final rehearsal. From what she says, it's done very well.

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On Tuesday night, I got the honor of attending the final taped run-through of the live show. Admittedly, as a huge fan of both series, I did bristle at the thought of recreating what could never truly be recreated. But, after the great energy of our warm-up guy (hey Roger!) and the talented performances of folks like Foxx (my God, I’ll never tire of lauding how talented and versatile this man is), Tomei (her Edith is crazy good), Sykes, and Woody Harrelson, I became more content with the fact that this isn’t so much a replacement as it is a reverence.
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Tomei is/was fantastic as Edith. Woody was OK as Archie, but anyone who tries to be Archie and isn't just sounds like they're doing a bad impression anyway...so I'll cut him some slack.

I know literally nothing about The Jeffersons, but Wanda Sykes seems to be doing the best. Jamie Foxx has already screwed up, but he definitely addressed it. It broke the 4th wall a bit much for my taste, but it was fine.

Did they bleep something out? What? Why?
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The earlier edit I mentioned was leaving out the audio, now they're legitimately bleeping out the n-word?

You can say it in the 70s and rehashing a 70s sitcom and you can't say it? Really? Boo ABC....boooooo
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Watching it right now. I'll take it as an homage, but it really isn't that good. Only Wanda Sykes as Louise Jefferson really sold me. It feels like the rest of them are doing impersonations, not characters.

If you look at the originals now, you see the real strength was the acting chops of O'Connor and Stapleton, and the comic timing of Marla Gibbs. And Sherman Hensley didn't just strut around, he strutted around like angry man with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove to the world.

They sure as hell just bleeped the Jefferson-Willis exchange, which proves you still can't get away with what Lear got away with 45 years ago.
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Watching it right now. I'll take it as an homage, but it really isn't that good. Only Wanda Sykes as Louise Jefferson really sold me. It feels like the rest of them are doing impersonations, not characters.

If you look at the originals now, you see the real strength was the acting chops of O'Connor and Stapleton, and the comic timing of Marla Gibbs. And Sherman Hensley didn't just strut around, he strutted around like angry man with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove to the world.

They sure as hell just bleeped the Jefferson-Willis exchange, which proves you still can't get away with what Lear got away with 45 years ago.
I agree. Really with everything you said. It was cool seeing it done again, but nobody except Wanda Sykes really pulled it off. I'm a Woody Harrelson fan and if he read the phone book I would probably watch it, but he didn't really capture Archie.

Jamie Foxx was just goofing off and trying to walk and mimic Jefferson and he really took the whole breaking the 4th wall thing too far.

And the whole bleeping out "nigger" was just too much. They let all kinds of obscene and vulgar crap on TV now; they cannot use that word once in a retro perspective?

All that said, and as silly as it sounds, I enjoyed it.

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Lots of scenery chewing in the homage especially the "All in the Family" episode. Wanda Sykes was definitely the highlight.

I tried to like it.
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Maybe this is just my own personal dislike of Jamie Foxx, but I immediately thought he blew that line on purpose just so he could break the fourth wall and be the one every is talking about today. I rewatched a few times and it did not look real to me. And every headline about the show is about him, so...
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I enjoyed it. I was afraid it was going to be the characters dealing with current events. So glad it wasn't. I get enough of that every day! I loved that they had the original sets.

I was annoyed at the bleeping of the "N" word but it was ok to say "honky" and "WOP".
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Maybe this is just my own personal dislike of Jamie Foxx, but I immediately thought he blew that line on purpose just so he could break the fourth wall and be the one every is talking about today. I rewatched a few times and it did not look real to me. And every headline about the show is about him, so...
Jamie Foxx certainly has the acting skill to play George Jefferson any way he wanted. Looking over his background, I see some stand-up experience, but nothing about live theater. Maybe his instinct took him back to his standup days, where, when you goofed, you tried to make it funny.

But I'm still being overly charitable, because I don't think he got who George Jefferson was.
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Any word on what was cut out when they cut the audio during the beginning part of The Jeffersons?
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Maybe this is just my own personal dislike of Jamie Foxx, but I immediately thought he blew that line on purpose just so he could break the fourth wall and be the one every is talking about today. I rewatched a few times and it did not look real to me. And every headline about the show is about him, so...
It made me think of Tracy Jordan on 30 Rock. "Uh oh. Iím doing something called breaking!"
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But I'm still being overly charitable, because I don't think he got who George Jefferson was.
He wasn't playing George Jefferson; he was playing Sherman Hemsley. Nailed him, too.
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I missed it. If anybody knows where I can watch it, I'd appreciate a heads up.
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Just wait a bit to rent it.
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Any word on what was cut out when they cut the audio during the beginning part of The Jeffersons?
The cut the N-word a few times, it was probably that.
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You can watch it on the ABC website.
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I wanted to watch it on the ABC app on my phone, but it asks for a service provider and I don't have cable, so it looks like I'm SOL.
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To me it looked like more of a SNL spoof.

I think what hurt it was the actors are just too well known. I KNEW that was Will Ferrel and Woody Harrison. The guy playing George Jefferson, was too tall to pull it off and the way he exaggerated Sherman Helmsely made it look more like a spoof.

It just didnt feel natural.
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Only Wanda Sykes as Louise Jefferson really sold me. It feels like the rest of them are doing impersonations, not characters.
I don't disagree, but, on the other hand, Sykes seemed to stumble over her lines several times, especially during the Jeffersons segment. That said, she might well have had the most lines of any of the actors, across the two segments, being in a substantial portion of the All in the Family segment, as well.
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I thought everyone did great for a one-off. They were essentially doing a one-time play, so it's not like they were getting into these characters' heads. They were just playing them as they were originally played. Tomei was amazing, as were Sykes and Foxx. They actually game me exactly what I wanted from this: Modern-day actors nailing those characters, even if they were little more than impersonations.

The one thing that stood out to me: I really appreciate Carol O'Connor much more now. He was able to deliver those lines and play that character with so much heart and charm (which I always knew, but it became even more stark seeing someone else attempt the character). Now I love Woody, but those same lines being delivered by him often just came across as harsh, overly aggressive and mean. I rarely felt that with Carol's Archie.

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The one thing that stood out to me: I really appreciate Carol O'Connor much more now. He was able to deliver those lines and play that character with so much heart and charm (which I always knew, but it became even more stark seeing someone else attempt the character). Now I love Woody, but those same lines being delivered by him often just came across as harsh, overly aggressive and mean. I rarely felt that with Carol's Archie.
I agree with the comments about Carroll O'Connor 100%. Carroll O'Connor was born to play Archie Bunker.
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The one thing that stood out to me: I really appreciate Carol O'Connor much more now. He was able to deliver those lines and play that character with so much heart and charm (which I always knew, but it became even more stark seeing someone else attempt the character). Now I love Woody, but those same lines being delivered by him often just came across as harsh, overly aggressive and mean. I rarely felt that with Carol's Archie.
Right. You always got the impression that the original Archie was a loveable guy who was just a product of his times. He was also of below-average intellect and never considered how he was being mean to his wife; he just did what he saw others do and thought that it was to be expected that he have fresh toast for breakfast and a cold beer in his hand when he came home from work. He also passed on what he was taught that you just didn't have social events with the "coloreds." But you never got the impression that there was hatred or animosity there.

Woody as Archie couldn't pull off that sort of thing and he just came across as a dick when he yelled at Edith.
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I really enjoyed this presentation. I liked it because of pure nostalgia, I liked it because of the fun cast,and I liked that they didn't change the script. They did bleep out the N- word, but that didn't make a big difference to me.

I thought that Harrelson and Foxx were trying too hard to mimic O'Connor and Helmlsey's speech and mannerisms and it came off as parody. I wished they would have played them a little straighter with a little O'Connor and Helmlsey thrown in. I thought everyone else was great.
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I missed it. If anybody knows where I can watch it, I'd appreciate a heads up.
ABC is replaying it Saturday (tomorrow) at 8:00 ET.


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For anyone who missed it, it's up on Hulu now.

(I tried ABC's website yesterday, all I saw was clips)

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I often cite All in the Family as my favorite show of all time.

I am uneasy about this news.


mmm

Finally got the opportunity to watch it. I settled in with cautious optimism, and the Norman Lear intro gave me a good feeling.

Alas, I shut it off after around 10 minutes. Just couldn't stomach it. Carroll O'Connor IS Archie Bunker, always will be.

There was no good reason for this re-boot to ever happen.


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