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Old 01-24-2018, 05:14 PM
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Murphy Brown reboot. Woohoo!


Finally, a reboot that actually makes sense.

Imagine Murphy's reaction to fake news and the media's preoccupation with celebrity activism. I'd love to see Murphy's sarcastic remarks to Lena Dunham and the rest of that bunch.

This may be very, very good. Diane English is back writing and producing.

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Old 01-24-2018, 05:22 PM
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I don't know-- The original was very much a product of its time. A modern re-make would be such a different show that it doesn't make sense to re-use the name.
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I'm trying to understand where the demand for this is. It's a 20 year old show that already skewed to an older audience at the time. It's not on DVD, it's not on streaming, I can't say I ever see it in syndication, so it's not like it has a new fanbase.
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Let's hope most of the cast returns.

They still looked pretty good in this reunion a couple years ago.
https://goo.gl/images/6212jz

The strength of the show was it's take on politics and cultural norms. Murphy (a single mom) getting pregnant. Her sobriety.

It's true the show became dated quickly.

But there's a entirely new political landscape it can comment on today.

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Let's hope most of the cast returns.

They still looked pretty good in this reunion a couple years ago.
https://goo.gl/images/6212jz
Except for the ones who died. They're not lookin' too good.

By perhaps wild coincidence, none of the main cast are doing anything these days. Including the ones who died.
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??? Who died except Robert Pastorelli? He died in 04 from an overdose.

Charles Kimbrough is 81. I doubt he'd do much more than a episode or two.

Lilly Tomlin is 78.

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Not a reboot, more like a full-blown "revival" or continuation of the original, right?

Like X-files and Will and Grace did, more of the same. Not a new show that features one or two characters for continuity.
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??? Who died except Robert Pastorelli? He died in 04 from an overdose.
Yeah, I thought everybody was alive, too. Even Jim.

I guess the bar owner, who I seemed to have forgotten even though I watched the show.
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??? Who died except Robert Pastorelli? He died in 04 from an overdose.
According to the article from the image, Pat Corley (Phil the bartender)

I think the core cast is still all kicking.
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Getting Faith Ford is absolutely essential. Imho

She received 5 emmy nominations playing Corky.

Her relationship with Murphy kept the show interesting.

This is the only reboot that I plan to watch. The other don't interest me.

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Not a reboot, more like a full-blown "revival" or continuation of the original, right?

Like X-files and Will and Grace did, more of the same. Not a new show that features one or two characters for continuity.
Revival sounds right. Same characters but I think they need to be in new jobs. Something that reflects time has passed.

Murphy would take a senior management job similar to Garry Marshall's role (Stan) on the show.

Corky would be lead anchor. The role Murphy originally had.

Jerry? He was the sports anchor. Maybe he's running a sports bar now? The gang hangs out there after work.

That's how I'd revive it.

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According to the article from the image, Pat Corley (Phil the bartender)

I think the core cast is still all kicking.
Sorry to say, Darren McGavin, who played Murphy's dad, has passed away.
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Looking forward to this.

I wonder if Haley Joel Osment can fit an appearance into his schedule.
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Over/under on the number of times Murphy has gone back into rehab. I say four.
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Finally, a reboot that actually makes sense.

Imagine Murphy's reaction to fake news and the media's preoccupation with celebrity activism
Truth be told, I think I might appreciate a comedy set at a Breitbart pastiche organization that makes up fake news and pursues celebrity gossip, more than one set at a supposedly respectable news organization that constantly laments such activity.
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When I read about this I became excited like the OP. The news landscape has changed so much that it'd be interesting to see how Murphy & co. navigate it.

And yes, bring back a couple of original cast members for the continuity.
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As long as they bring back the shoulder pads.

I think it can work as a limited run series but I donít know if I would want to see more. I know Candance Bergen wants to make Trump sucks jokes every week but I would get bored after a while.
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When I read about this I became excited like the OP. The news landscape has changed so much that it'd be interesting to see how Murphy & co. navigate it.

And yes, bring back a couple of original cast members for the continuity.
The original cast members are what made the show. Bergen herself really wasnít that interesting. She was surrounded by a great cast. They can try to recapture that with other people but thatís a hard thing to do.
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I know Candance Bergen wants to make Trump sucks jokes every week but I would get bored after a while.
Hmmm, well, based on her age, the hook could be that she and Trump dated back in the day. They could mine that for a long time.
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The original sucked pond water. Why would this be any different?
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It turns out Bergen went on a blind date with Trump while in college

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If all goes extremely well, it will indeed suck in the very same way. We should be so lucky.
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Ambivalent about this, and concern #1 is the title character. Let's not forget that Murphy wasn't just headstrong or loud or eccentric, she was a genuinely bad person. Perfectly willing to lie, steal, and sabotage others, constantly getting into confrontations and fights (almost inviting them in a few cases), and continually aggravating even her best friends. The worst part was that she was the one always held up in the media as a shining example of a STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER, if not an outright feminist, which of course only made right-wing attacks on actual feminists all the easier. When you think about it, the most remarkable thing about the original show being so funny and on-point (and it was!) was that it managed this despite being weighed down by such a manifestly unlikable character. That takes sharp writing and a killer supporting cast. I've seen shows headlined by obnoxious jerks, and just about all of them were run into the ground or turned into toxic unwatchable messes before the first season was done.

On top of that, there was a fair amount of physical work that I just can't imagine a group of 60-80 year old actors pulling off.

Will treat this like The Powerpuff Girls. Record it, get around to watching it when I can, and if it stinks up the joint, delete it with no regrets and get on with my life. (In fairness, Powerpuff Girls wasn't very good to begin with, so I think Murphy has a better chance.)
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Was there a reboot of Powerpuff Girls, or do you mean the original?
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the way hollywood works now pretty soon people waking up from a coma will think they have been in the coma for 30 years with all these retreads.
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Ambivalent about this, and concern #1 is the title character. Let's not forget that Murphy wasn't just headstrong or loud or eccentric, she was a genuinely bad person. Perfectly willing to lie, steal, and sabotage others, constantly getting into confrontations and fights (almost inviting them in a few cases), and continually aggravating even her best friends.
One bit I remember was her trying to get an interview with then-president Bush41, during one of his jogs. The footage showed her chasing and nearly running him down on a bicycle. Pretty lame and a major shattering of disbelief for me (had something like that happened for real, the protection detail would have arrested and possibly shot her instead of just escorting her back to her workplace).

I think that was one of the last times I watched the show on a regular basis, since the stupidity of the scene annoyed me. My feelings are mixed, though, based on the panicked reaction of her boss, Miles, when it dawns on him that she must have done something particularly reckless.

Miles: Wait a minute, are those Secret Service guys? Murphy! Please say you're a counterfeiter!

I have no idea why this still cracks me up, but it does.
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Yes, and what little I saw of it was awful. I mean, just awful.
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I'm trying to understand where the demand for this is. It's a 20 year old show that already skewed to an older audience at the time. It's not on DVD, it's not on streaming, I can't say I ever see it in syndication, so it's not like it has a new fanbase.
Me! Ooh, ooh, it's me!! And all of my 40-50 something friends.

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One bit I remember was her trying to get an interview with then-president Bush41, during one of his jogs. The footage showed her chasing and nearly running him down on a bicycle. Pretty lame and a major shattering of disbelief for me (had something like that happened for real, the protection detail would have arrested and possibly shot her instead of just escorting her back to her workplace).
. . .
If she'd been a stranger, yes. But the Secret Service has a longer relationship with the members of the Washington Press Corps than they do with any one President. They'll get pretty stern when one steps out of line, but they know these people.

The beauty of "Murphy Brown" was that it was a show about a flawed woman who other people had to work around. Since the dawn of television there have been male characters who were idiots or absent-minded geniuses, or curmudgeons, and a full staff of women at home and office flying around supporting their success despite their flaws. Female characters have had to be perfect in order to be believable, especially in "successful" positions.

Murphy was a flawed pain in the tush. She took risks, got in trouble, had (or failed to have) flashes of conscience, and was nonetheless supported by those around her. And this was extremely uncomfortable for society. It pushed boundaries we had never even acknowledged.

In this time of social regression, I am all for having her back.
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Looking forward to this.

I wonder if Haley Joel Osment can fit an appearance into his schedule.
The tables can wait themselves a couple days a week.
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I just hope it doesn't bring Dan Quayle back into the public eye.
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Sorry to say, Darren McGavin, who played Murphy's dad, has passed away.
I've always loved Darren McGavin throughout his career. He had one of the best lines ever in an episode of Murphy Brown. He was newly married to a young wife and they had a newborn baby. Darren's ex (Murphy's mom, played by Colleen Dewhurst) was there, and she said snarkily to him, "I figured that at your age, you'd be shooting blanks."

He replied, "It helps to have a live target."

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The tables can wait themselves a couple days a week.
If anything, he might be too busy working on the X-Files reboot. (Shoot, din' I just post this last week?) He's got a lot going on. (And since someone brought it up, he only played Avery in the final season. Infant Avery was a set of twins; the toddler was a brunet called Dylan Christopher. Pretty big continuity error when elementary-school Avery was suddenly blond.)

Anyway, what I came in here to say is, one instance where I thought the show's tone was jerkish, not just Murphy's, was late in the run when they brought in "McGovern". IOW, Kennedy: an MTV VJ who was brought in to give FYI some youth appeal. Now, I personally thought the real Kennedy had a lot of guts, being openly conservative, at a time when, to MTV's audience demographic, being a Republican was seen pretty much equivalent to being a criminal. And she was a Strong Woman; she just wasn't strongly saying what most of the audience wanted to hear.

So McGovern's character was going to go head-to-head with Murphy, right? A young conservative who was just as fired up as Murph had been as a young liberal. Right? Pardon me while I guffaw. For the rest of that season, her character was presented as always being wrong, wrong, while Murphy was always totally right. The episode that almost made me ragequit was when McGovern was on the cover of Rolling Stone, posed implicitly nude in Jim's anchor chair. Third act was Murphy calling McGovern into her office and ripping her three or four new ones. I forget exactly on what grounds, but along the lines of "I thought I knew everything when I was your age, but now I'm twice your age and I do know everything."

So McGovern, instead of biting back and pointing out that Murphy gained all this wisdom by trial and error and learning from her mistakes, looks downcast and says "You're right...I though that if I created a stir, people wouldn't figure out that I don't know what I'm doing." As I said, I almost ragequit over that. It was a perfect opportunity for McGovern to hold a mirror up to Murphy, and the Boomer generation in general, telling her and them that since they scoffed at the generation above theirs and wanted to throw over everything they stood for, it should be okay for Gen-X to do the same thing. Of course not: she had to be brought down. No Gen-Xer could be seen as bringing anything to the table.

And bearing in mind that IRL, RS cover subjects have little to no input during the photo session, there was a perfect opportunity for McGovern to appeal to Murphy's ego, in a reasonable way without rolling over and showing her belly. Have her say "If you're finished spewing, it was not my idea to get naked. They talked me into it; made it sound like this awesome idea, and of course I started having second thoughts when it was too late. I even thought, 'Murphy would never have gone along with that,' so can you tell me how you would have stood up to them?" A reasonable compromise. Except, how can there be a compromise when the character was never presented as a worthy opponent to begin with?

Anyway, go Kennedy! I don't always believe in what she says, but I've always believed in her.
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I watched back in the day but I have trouble getting excited about a revival. I'll watch if Paul Reubens makes an appearance.
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It's horrible, predictable, with a laugh track, and it sucks.

Then again, I didn't like the original much.

I agree with the political stance, but it's not in any way funny.

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It's horrible, predictable, with a laugh track, and it sucks.

Then again, I didn't like the original much.

I agree with the political stance, but it's not in any way funny.
You didn't like the original and you don't like the remake. Noted. <Makes an entry on your Permanent Record Card>

I liked the original a lot and I'm liking the remake a lot, too.
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I've seen two, and so far it's a bit stilted. Candice Bergen has always tended to deliver one-liners rather than converse, but that fit with Murphy's narcissism when it was done with alacrity. The new slower pace changes the sense of sharp wit to one of group whinging.

I'll stick with it though. This group may well get their chops back after a few episodes. Plus, Big Bang Theory is going to end soon, and I'll be bereft. This group of brilliant misfits may step up to fill the void.
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I genuinely cried when Jim walked in. And teared up again when he called Murphy "Slugger."

His flirting with Phyllis... does that mean Doris died?

I'm finding that FYI Original Cast are getting better every week. Much more comfortable in their roles. But the other actors are stiff and awkward. Do they not do rehearsals or second takes? The writing isn't bad, but just not sharp and fresh like it was back in the 80s and 90s. I feel like everyone on staff is eligible for Medicare and just ask a kid or grandkid for hip Millennial lingo from time to time.

And whoever dresses Murphy... She's not 110lb 40-year old. Fine. But she doesn't need to be literally draped in blankets. Surely there is a way to dress her flatteringly without making me wonder if there's really a body under all those clothes or if she's a floating head green screened onto an upright sleeping bag.

Corky's black and white skirt was fantastic. I want one. Miles's suits finally fit him. Jim was ridiculous but in a good way. Frank's Frank. Murphy was just a multi-colored michelin woman and she doesn't need to be.

There's good there, but it needs some tightening.
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Well I was wondering how they'd end an Election Day episode airing the week before the election; that was good. I loved Avery manipulating Trump to keep him talking when the other Wolf anchor was trying to politely get him off the air.
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I keep hoping that it will get better and it just isn't. Reruns show up on the one of the oldies network. It was workplace sitcom. Obviously the character was a liberal - but it wasn't about the evils of conservatism (Newt Gingrich actually did a cameo on an episode). It was more about getting a show on the air, dealing with ratings, fights between the news division and the network. Or stories about the characters (even the episode that dealt with the Dan Quayle thing wasn't about that - it was about a woman who had never been around babies or children trying to figure out how to take care of a baby).

Almost every episode this season is about politics. And it isn't very well done. Nor is it funny.
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It's unfortunate the show focuses entirely on politics. We get enough of that from the never ending real life Trump coverage. I'm already stressed and burned out. I certainly don't want more Trump on my evening sitcom.

The reboot could have worked with more focus on the characters and the challenges of starting a news show.

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Clearly I'm in the minority, but I like it, and I like the politics. I'm not sure why people are so grumpy about it--my IRL friends are, too. I also liked the old show. I'm easy.
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It's a show set in a television show in Washington, DC. Of course it's going to be about politics. And as I remember, so was the original show. I don't have a problem with it. Although I heard that the ratings were not great. The article I read suggested that the fad of reviving old shows might be ending and that's not a bad thing.
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Clearly I'm in the minority, but I like it, and I like the politics. I'm not sure why people are so grumpy about it--my IRL friends are, too. I also liked the old show. I'm easy.
I'm grumpy about it because I want it to be better.
I think that the show has (or at least had) a good foundation and I don't think it's living up to its potential. And I think part of the reason is that it is trying to be political first and funny second - which is the wrong order of priorities for a sitcom. You need more to a joke than "Republicans are stupid. and evil."

I am the target audience - a very liberal, tv-watching woman who watched (and fondly remembers) the original version of the show. I really think it could do better than cheap potshots and have real characters rather than characterizations (e.g., Dreamer-guy isn't a person, he's a walking-speaking Mother Jones article.) I think it could make its point without the weird speeches (or at least fewer of them).

The comparison I'd offer is the "One Day at a Time" reboot. It's also a traditional 3-camera sitcom, it also has a very liberal POV that it doesn't downplay at all. It leans right into some standard sitcom tropes (yes, there is a wacky neighbor). And it is occasionally clunky and heavy handed. But the political points feel more organic to the situations the characters are in and it's funny.
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