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Old 04-13-2019, 04:11 PM
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The Last GOT Predictions Thread **all spoilers welcome - be warned**


**Spoiler Warning** We're going to have a free and open discussion, including any hints and previews we've seen out on the web, so if you don't want to be spoiled, read no further!



This is our last chance to make GOT predictions, so no holds barred - which way do you think we are going?

Mine:
1. Remember when Melisandre told Varys that she had to die in Westeros, just like him? The look on his face? I think that was part of what he heard from the demon flames as a child. I think the rest of that prediction will turn out to be the common thread of every story in Westeros.

2. The Night's King is a double agent, just as Jon was with the Wildlings. He will have come to respect the White Walkers, but will help Jon destroy them just the same.

3. Danaerys will show her Father's influence before it is all over. When she does, Tyrion and Varys will turn on her, and support Jon as the new leader.

4. Sansa will actually wind up in charge of the Kingdom.

5. Tormond and Jamie will get into a scrape competing to be the one to die for/protect Brienne.

6. Ned Stark will come back from the dead; he will be like a wight, but loyal to Winterfell, not the Night's King. (possibly both if that's appropriate.)

7. The Hound will kill the Mountain, but as an act of mercy, not of revenge.

8. Jon will stick one of the ice-made swords into Melisandre's breast, and it will come out glowing -> Lightbringer.

9. The Greyjoy's castle will fall into the sea.

10. In their first reunion, Arya runs past Jon to hug Gendry.

OK,that's enough for now. What do you think will happen?
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These guesses are all separate, so they can contradict each other.

1. Varys is a Targaryen and is not actually a eunuch. Is Dany's uncle and will claim the throne. Ends up on the throne.

2. Bran either built the Wall or is the Night King. Or built the wall and became the Night King. Jon Snow kills him and he allows it.

3. Jon Snow dies...again.

4. Tyrion lives.

5. We will see Sean Bean again in new footage that serves as a memory or vision.
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TC1. Remember when Melisandre told Varys that she had to die in Westeros, just like him? The look on his face? I think that was part of what he heard from the demon flames as a child. I think the rest of that prediction will turn out to be the common thread of every story in Westeros.
TC2. The Night's King is a double agent, just as Jon was with the Wildlings. He will have come to respect the White Walkers, but will help Jon destroy them just the same.
TC3. Danaerys will show her Father's influence before it is all over. When she does, Tyrion and Varys will turn on her, and support Jon as the new leader.
TC4. Sansa will actually wind up in charge of the Kingdom.
TC5. Tormond and Jamie will get into a scrape competing to be the one to die for/protect Brienne.
TC6. Ned Stark will come back from the dead; he will be like a wight, but loyal to Winterfell, not the Night's King. (possibly both if that's appropriate.)
TC7. The Hound will kill the Mountain, but as an act of mercy, not of revenge.
TC8. Jon will stick one of the ice-made swords into Melisandre's breast, and it will come out glowing -> Lightbringer.
TC9. The Greyjoy's castle will fall into the sea.
TC10. In their first reunion, Arya runs past Jon to hug Gendry.
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M1. Varys is a Targaryen and is not actually a eunuch. Is Dany's uncle and will claim the throne. Ends up on the throne.
M2. Bran either built the Wall or is the Night King. Or built the wall and became the Night King. Jon Snow kills him and he allows it.
M3. Jon Snow dies...again.
M4. Tyrion lives.
M5. We will see Sean Bean again in new footage that serves as a memory or vision.
TC1 and M1: Interesting that you both began with Varys. I tend toward Mahaloth's side: I think Varys may well end up on the throne.

TC6: Ned as a ~wight: have we seen headless wights? There would be some explanations needed. Interesting concept. Both of you believe we'll see Sean Bean in some capacity again; I'd bet you're right about that.

TC2 and M2: Good surmises about some sort of twist about the Night King, possibly involving Bran. It definitely WON'T be a straightforward 'Night King relentlessly sends his forces against Westeros and Westeros works to defeat him' story. There will be a twist (possibly involving the Night King's original identity).

TC3: Yes, Danaerys will be brought down, one way or another. It may be as dramatic as a turn to Chaotic Evil, or it may be as simple as a public taking-the-knee to Jon. But one way or another, she will be disgraced or defeated or, at least, humbled.

M4: Yes, Tyrion will live. He may even be granted a happy ending, with new wife and prospect of starting his own dynasty.

My additions:

S1: Cersei is in for a debasing/defeat even more dramatic than that coming to Danaerys. Will this eagerly-anticipated event happen early in the six episodes, or will it be the emotional heart of the finale? That depends on what the writers have planned for Dany. If they plan a mild 'humbles herself before Jon,' and nothing more, then Cersei will probably be saved for the finale.

S2: Numerous characters who've acquired fanbases will be given short shrift. This could even apply to fairly-major figures such as Jorah, Samwell and Gilly, Yara Greyjoy, and Brienne---none of whom have strong (or any) associations with magic. It could even apply to Arya.

S3: Sansa will end up with some sort of ruling power, though probably not the Iron Throne--she 'looks the part' and has never been particularly arrogant, so will be rewarded for that.
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:14 PM
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Ooh! I forgot about Gilly!

TC 11. Gilly's status as Sister/Aunt to all the White Walkers will be important and possibly save the day at some point. In the books, her baby (the one still at the wall) will be important too. In the show, I don't think he will be.
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TC3: Yes, Danaerys will be brought down, one way or another. It may be as dramatic as a turn to Chaotic Evil, or it may be as simple as a public taking-the-knee to Jon. But one way or another, she will be disgraced or defeated or, at least, humbled.



S1: Cersei is in for a debasing/defeat even more dramatic than that coming to Danaerys. Will this eagerly-anticipated event happen early in the six episodes, or will it be the emotional heart of the finale? That depends on what the writers have planned for Dany. If they plan a mild 'humbles herself before Jon,' and nothing more, then Cersei will probably be saved for the finale.



S3: Sansa will end up with some sort of ruling power, though probably not the Iron Throne--she 'looks the part' and has never been particularly arrogant, so will be rewarded for that.

Wow. You think the creators of the show really have it in for the women? No, just for the women who held power? With Sansa excused because she never dared be arrogant.
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Old 04-13-2019, 08:09 PM
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Wow. You think the creators of the show really have it in for the women? No, just for the women who held power? With Sansa excused because she never dared be arrogant.
Yeah, I didn't mean that quite the way that Sherrerd took it. But GRRM is generally unkind towards women, and Westeros is especially unfriendly towards strong ones. I mean, look at what he/they did to Cersei ferchrissakes.

But I don't think Danaerys will be humiliated or crushed, I just think she will lose Tyrion's and Varys's support for the throne. It may be though, that when we finally learn what she means by " . . . break the wheel" this will all be moot.

Sansa is the smartest, the strongest, and the most strategic of all of them though. She is everything her father was, and all the things he wasn't.
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Yeah, I didn't mean that quite the way that Sherrerd took it. But GRRM is generally unkind towards women, and Westeros is especially unfriendly towards strong ones. I mean, look at what he/they did to Cersei ferchrissakes.
And what happened to the Queen of Thorns, and Margaery, and Elaria and the Sand Snakes. And Yara.

Actually, just about everyone except Gilly.

Not that the men have been treated all that much better. I think Sam and Hot Pie have mostly escaped... well, Sam got beaten up at Castle Black, and sneered at by his father..... Lots of abuse to go around.

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But I don't think Danaerys will be humiliated or crushed, I just think she will lose Tyrion's and Varys's support for the throne. It may be though, that when we finally learn what she means by " . . . break the wheel" this will all be moot.

Sansa is the smartest, the strongest, and the most strategic of all of them though. She is everything her father was, and all the things he wasn't.

There have already been signs they worry that she's too impulsive and way too ready to burn to death those who don't fall in with her plans.


I'm already on record for hoping it ends with Sansa on the throne and Tyrion as her Queen's Hand, and maybe husband again.
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TC 12. I really want a scene in which Sansa recognizes Tyrion's worth, and thanks him for protecting her/refusing to hurt her. I'd especially like for her to fall in love with him, but I'm not greedy. I think he winds up making her queen.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:52 PM
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If Daeneris goes all rogue mad king on everyone, It will happen when she discovers that Jon is Aegon Targaryan and the rightful heir to the throne. She has spent years believing that she would sit on the iron throne. Can she (and her followers) bend the knee to Jon Snow? Can she be happy as the wife of the king? That remains to be seen. One way out of that dilemma: Kill Jon Snow. Or have Daeneris die early on.

With the disclaimer that I'm pulling this out of my ass and GRRM likes throwing curveballs, this seems like the right thread to lay down my predictions for how it all ends.

The white walkers and Night's King are defeated.

Jon, Daeneris, Cersei, Jamie, Bronn, the Hound, Jorah, The Mountain, Melisandre, Varys... - all dead.

Sansa becomes Queen of the North, and the north becomes the new power base in Westeros.

Brienne is head of her Queensguard

Tyrion either stays with Sansa, or takes the much-diminished Iron Throne, or becomes the head of the new night's watch.

Sam becomes the new head Maester of Winterfell, or becomes hand to Tyrion, or goes with Tyrion to the wall and becomes the new Maestre of Castle Black.

Arya survives, and leaves to explore the world. If the Hound doesn't die, he might go with her.

The dragons are all dead, but they leave behind three new eggs that will wait until the next time dragons are needed to protect against the dead. Likewise, there will be a Targaryan left behind, probably the child of Jon and Daeneris. Daeneris could even die in childbirth.

This is all no doubt completely wrong.
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It will end with:

- A renewed commitment to maintaining the Wall and vigilance in the North
- A Stark must be in the North. I predict Sansa as Queen of the North.
- A marriage is one traditional way to end civil war. Daeneris and ?? or Jon and ??
- Conquering is the other way to end war. Daeneris and Jon win.
- Daeneris becomes pregnant. Her child will rule the "world".
- Cersei is defeated. She dies in fire.
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If Daeneris goes all rogue mad king on everyone, It will happen when she discovers that Jon is Aegon Targaryan and the rightful heir to the throne. She has spent years believing that she would sit on the iron throne. Can she (and her followers) bend the knee to Jon Snow? Can she be happy as the wife of the king? That remains to be seen. One way out of that dilemma: Kill Jon Snow. Or have Daeneris die early on.

With the disclaimer that I'm pulling this out of my ass and GRRM likes throwing curveballs, this seems like the right thread to lay down my predictions for how it all ends.

The white walkers and Night's King are defeated.

Jon, Daeneris, Cersei, Jamie, Bronn, the Hound, Jorah, The Mountain, Melisandre, Varys... - all dead.

Sansa becomes Queen of the North, and the north becomes the new power base in Westeros.
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All your predictions look pretty plausible to me. I'll just say that having the north be the new power base might well seem emotionally right to the showrunners, but it would be bad world-building----if the world is getting colder even apart from the magical influence of the white walkers. If that is so, then human activity will naturally move south.

Then again, maybe it's not a coming naturally-occurring ice age, and one hundred percent of the 'winter is coming' influence IS magic, and therefore when the ww are defeated then it will be eternal spring and everyone will be wearing shorts and tank tops at Winterfell for many generations to come.
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Aryan is running from reanimated Starks in the catacombs of Winterfell. She kills Ser Strong, by stabbing him in the eye with her Valyrian steel dagger/short sword. Ser Strong kills Sandor in CleganeBowl, but the effort weakens him enough that Arya can finish him off.

I haven't decided whether Arya or Jamie is the one who ends up killing Cersei. Probably Jamie, but bonus points if Arya does it wearing Jamie's face.

Someone very loved by the audience is going to get killed in E1, whether because of Worf Effect or to impress upon us the desperate nature of the defense against the White Walkers, I don't know. I hope it's not Tyrion. I think it might be Bronn.

Bran ends up warging into one of the Night's King's greatest weapons, either the NK itself or that undead dragon.

Who ideally, from a 21st century secular humanist POV, should sit on the Iron Throne at the end? Dragon Sue? As the leader of a loose confederation of democratically-ruled, kinder, gentler states?

Part of me really wants the NK to win, as an object lesson to the squabbling Westerosi that they really should have put their machinations on hiatus, banded together, and tried to get through Winter.
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Will Bronn ever get a castle and a rich wife? I predict yes.

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The ending has been described as "bittersweet". Humans defeat or at least drive back the White Walkers, but it is a Pyrrhic victory. Who sits on the Iron throne hardly matters as they barely control King's landing and only nominally the surrounding area. What is left live in a anarcho-syndicalist commune

"Defy expectations" -- no (more) major characters dead would actually be the most surprising, but I put odds on that about 1 in 1042

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  • Jaime strangles Cersei. He (or perhaps Brienne) becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
  • Dany dies without becoming queen, or becomes queen to rule over ashes/nothing worthwhile.
  • Jon dies again.
  • Sansa rules the North if not more.
  • The season in general relies more on spectacle than good storytelling. It's fun to watch but ultimately unsatisfying.
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At the end, only Cersei is standing. Then she reaches up and pulls off her face, revealing it's actually Arya.

Then Arya reaches up and pulls off her face, revealing Tom Cruise and the Mission Impossible music starts.
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Last ones left standing - Bronn and Sansa Stark, rulers of Westeros. You heard it here first .
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The prediction I posted in the Hiatus thread:

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My wild-ass prediction on how it all ends. Once the Song of Fire and Ice was born (Jon), the Night King's watch ended. He needs to put Jon in the middle of that pinwheel so he can go on to his reward. Jon will sacrifice everything to save whatever is left of the human population, becoming the new Night King for eons.
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Adding to my theory-- at first I thought that Dany and Jon's baby would be The Prince that was Promised, but I don't think humanity will last 9 months after the dead attack in earnest.
As to who will live or die, I have no clue. Every major player dies except Cersei and she gets to rule over the ashes just like she wants.
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I was talking with some co-workers about Gendry. There has to be some reason he is there besides being a smith. He hasn't been important to the story since his blood was used to kill three kings.

Maybe he really is the baby that Cersei thought had died (as has been speculated by some). There is only one person around who might know that - Jaime. He could have been the one who hid him away in Flea Bottom, maybe because he did not want Cersei loving Robert's child. So when Jamie finds out about "Robert Baratheon's bastard" he could realize this is his nephew.

If Jon, Daenerys and Cersei don't survive, Jaime (and even Tyrion) could try to put Gendry on the throne as a Baratheon/Lannister. Lots of ifs there and Gendry might not be happy to be a Lannister but stranger things could happen.

So Gendry on the throne with Arya as his warrior queen.
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Part of me really wants the NK to win, as an object lesson to the squabbling Westerosi that they really should have put their machinations on hiatus, banded together, and tried to get through Winter.
The Night King wins, but doesn't manage to kill all humans in Westeros. Then we have a spinoff series, The Walking Wights, following the travails of the few surviving humans as they try to avoid the zombies, with Jon in the Rick Grimes role and Cersei as Negan.
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Winterfell will fall, and ultimately the last battle of the show will take place in King's Landing

Several of the characters we've known through the seasons are revived as whites, when Winterfell falls this will include Ned.

In Kings Landing, The Mad King will be revived as White.

Bran whargs into him in the past and is the one who encouraged him to plant Wildfire all over the capital. In the end, Bran whargs into him the last night he was King and says "Burn them all" just like Hodor - the White version of the Mad King then ignites the wildfire under the city destroying all of King's landing and the Iron Throne

I think in the end, magic will be destroyed, the walkers will be "cured" and turned back into men, the dragons will die off, and those that remain will try to start fresh, but not before Drogon fashions a new throne.
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The last 20 minutes will just be a big group dance with all the cast. The guy who plays Hodor will DJ, Ed Sheeren will sing, and Arya will show off her water dancing skills
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Several of the characters we've known through the seasons are revived as whites, when Winterfell falls this will include Ned.
Why wait? The dead already have a fifth column in the crypts beneath Winterfell. I guess it's just a matter of a White Walker getting close enough to raise them.
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Several of the characters we've known through the seasons are revived as whites, when Winterfell falls this will include Ned.
Ned's body has been reduced to a box of bones. From what we've seen, wights (not whites) need at least some tendons and connective tissue to hold their skeletons together to move around. Disassociated bones can't reanimate.
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Ned's body has been reduced to a box of bones. From what we've seen, wights (not whites) need at least some tendons and connective tissue to hold their skeletons together to move around. Disassociated bones can't reanimate.
It's pretty cold up there. Now, I'm not saying that Ned's going to come back fresh as a daisy, but with the constant cold he might not be rotten, but rather dryed out. You could say he's Ned Jerky, not Ned Boney, and that might make all the difference..

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It's pretty cold up there. Now, I'm not saying that Ned's going to come back fresh as a daisy, but with the constant cold he might not be rotten, but rather dryed out. You could say he's Ned Jerky, not Ned Boney, and that might make all the difference.!
No, Ned is just bones. He's in a box about the size of a large carry-on. And of course he was beheaded, so at least his head is not attached to the rest of his skeleton. At best, this will make it difficult for him to navigate.

I see from poking around that in the books it's uncertain whether Ned's bones ever even made it to Winterfell, since Catelyn sent them north at about the same time the Ironborn took the place.

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No, Ned is just bones. He's in a box about the size of a large carry-on. And of course he was beheaded, so at least his head is not attached to the rest of his skeleton. At best, this will make it difficult for him to navigate.

I see from poking around that in the books it's uncertain whether Ned's bones ever even made it to Winterfell, since Catelyn sent them north at about the same time the Ironborn took the place.
Ahhh, valid point. Ned's dead baby, Ned's dead *

That video reminds me that Little Finger is still up there, albeit missing a face (Arya has the cutest hobbies). Now *that* will be a site to see if he becomes a Wight!


ETA: went to verify the quote and realize the name should be Zed - oh well

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Well, if we're going there:

FADE IN:

INT. - THRONE ROOM

CERSEI surveys the smoldering ruins of the Iron Throne as blood pours down her face from a head wound. She steps over the corpses of her faithful retainers as she approaches the triumphant Night King.

CERSEI:
I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.

DISSOLVE:

INT. - SHABBY MOTEL ROOM

In the semi-darkness can be seen the figures of a sleeping woman in the bed, and a teen-aged boy reclining on a stained sofa. The woman stirs and sits up, rubbing her eyes.

SARAH CONNOR:
Oh, man. I have got to stop drinking Thunderbird. That was a doozy.

FADE OUT.
THE END.
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Well, if you're going there, the entire series is just one of the many multichaptered hallucinations experienced by Ma-Ma as she plunges to her Slo-Mo death.
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Not my prediction (and it's pretty widespread on the internet) but the Night King bypasses Winterfell and heads straight to King's Landing. Bran had a vision in season 4 of the red keep throne room in ruins and the shadow of a dragon flying over King's Landing. The dragon, so the prediction goes, was an ice dragon, and King's Landing is destroyed. Frankly, I think this is pretty convincing for a number of reasons.

1) Cersei needs to die, especially before having her kid, and being mowed down by an ice dragon is sufficiently dramatic for the show.
2) Everyone else of interest has conveniently left King's Landing
3) It raises the stakes for the battle of Winterfell which will then come later

Using this as a starting point, my additional predictions are:

1) Danaerys and Jon Snow turn on each other after the sacking of King's Landing, as Danaerys doesn't see any point to fighting the battle now that she can't rule over Westeros from the Red Keep. Jon Snow was never in it for the power but he needs her dragons, which he can now control. This also avoids any long term incest issues.
2) The Dothraki and the Unsullied desert Westeros, after Danaerys dies, making the odds for the battle of Winterfell super ridiculous and paving the way for a deus ex machina that will make the internet collectively groan for decades.
3) The deus ex machina will involve Bran travelling through time to learn how he himself (Bran the Builder) used magic to repel the white walkers and build the wall the first time around.
4) Jon Snow will reluctantly rule over a completely decimated Westeros, marking an end to the Baratheon/Lannister usurping of power and wrapping everything up in a nice bow.

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Winterfell will fall, and ultimately the last battle of the show will take place in King's Landing

Several of the characters we've known through the seasons are revived as whites, when Winterfell falls this will include Ned.

In Kings Landing, The Mad King will be revived as White.

Bran whargs into him in the past and is the one who encouraged him to plant Wildfire all over the capital. In the end, Bran whargs into him the last night he was King and says "Burn them all" just like Hodor - the White version of the Mad King then ignites the wildfire under the city destroying all of King's landing and the Iron Throne

I think in the end, magic will be destroyed, the walkers will be "cured" and turned back into men, the dragons will die off, and those that remain will try to start fresh, but not before Drogon fashions a new throne.

In 3 episodes?

Color me doubtful.
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In 3 episodes?

Color me doubtful.
5 episodes - and the foreshadowing about the wildfire everywhere under Kings Landing has to play a role. Burning the Sept was part of it, but that's just one building - apparently this stuff is everywhere. It's Checkov's Wildfire!

And the "Burn them All" line has been repeated often enough that it has to be relevant too. I think the Hodor scene was just foreshadowing for how that plays out..

As for the rest, that's speculation, but I think the wildfire and "Burn them All" will be instrumental to the final battle.
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5 episodes - and the foreshadowing about the wildfire everywhere under Kings Landing has to play a role. Burning the Sept was part of it, but that's just one building - apparently this stuff is everywhere. It's Checkov's Wildfire!

And the "Burn them All" line has been repeated often enough that it has to be relevant too. I think the Hodor scene was just foreshadowing for how that plays out..

As for the rest, that's speculation, but I think the wildfire and "Burn them All" will be instrumental to the final battle.
Tragically, it turns out the Mad King was not actually calling maniacally for mass immolation in the final hours of his life. He was indeed warged but Sam was in the room with Bran at the time and complaining about his upset stomach. The Mad King was just slurring the phrase "This heartburn is appalling. "
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Well, if you're going there, the entire series is just one of the many multichaptered hallucinations experienced by Ma-Ma as she plunges to her Slo-Mo death.
That could work.

Or maybe Queen Gorgo, standing with Themistocles and getting ready to fight the Persians, thinking 'those dragons from my dream would come in mighty handy right about now...'
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Varys will win the throne at the end. We’ll be reminded that the whole “game of thrones” is essentially a chess match between Little Finger and Varys, with each backing whoever he feels is most capable of elevating them, albeit in completely different ways; Little Finger as aggressor, making secret or strategic alliances, setting up convenient murders, etc. and Varys maintaining a defensive position, using patience, intelligence and surveillance, preparing for the one final counter-attack. Hare, meet tortoise! Little Finger rushed one too many moves.
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Varys will win the throne at the end.
I don't see it. Nobody wants a spider on the throne. He couldn't win it, and he couldn't keep it if he did.
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Nobody wants a eunuch on the throne either.

And I see Littlefinger as being very different than Varys. Varys is a patriot, using his talents to try to put good people on the throne, or at least to keep chaos from descending on Westeros. Littlefinger, on the other hand, used chaos like a weapon, and was only interested in the game and personal power no matter who got hurt. Varys is essentially good, although willing to do hard things when he thinks it necessary, whereas Littlefinger was a villain through and through.
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I think the show should end with Bob Newhart waking up in his bed and saying to Emily, "I keep having these crazy dreams. By the way, you should try wearing black leather."
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1) Cersei needs to die, especially before having her kid, and being mowed down by an ice dragon is sufficiently dramatic for the show.
I don't think she's pregnant. She told her wee brother she was, using her abstinence from wine as a prop. After boinking Euron, however, she's back into the cask.

But I do like the idea of Arya taking her out using Jamie's face.
I think Sam's served his purpose, he can join the dead army now.
Same with Sir Friend Zone.
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After boinking Euron, however, she's back into the cask.
I think after boinking Euron, most people would be.
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I dunno, he left her still longing for elephants.
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I just finished watching season 7 on DVD and it occurs to me:

In the last episode Jon was reveiled to be a Targarian with (they said) a greater right to the iron throne than Danaerys.

When Danaerys finds out, she orders a dragon to burn Jon, but *surprise* he's fireproof, and survives.

This has a somewhat chilling effect on their budding romance.

Beyond that I've got nothing, other than that there will be a lot more backstabbery, and a BIG battle scene at the end.
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If Jon, Daenerys and Cersei don't survive, Jaime (and even Tyrion) could try to put Gendry on the throne as a Baratheon/Lannister. Lots of ifs there and Gendry might not be happy to be a Lannister but stranger things could happen.

So Gendry on the throne with Arya as his warrior queen.
I like where your thoughts are leading you. I'm going to predict Gendry on the throne with Sansa as his wife, echoing the Sansa and Baratheon heir marriage planned in the first episode and building ties between the North and King's Landing.
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I don't see it. Nobody wants a spider on the throne. He couldn't win it, and he couldn't keep it if he did.
I could picture Varys being the last person to sit on the Iron Throne, enjoying the privilege for five minutes before it gets melted into a puddle of sludge.
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I could picture Varys being the last person to sit on the Iron Throne, enjoying the privilege for five minutes before it gets melted into a puddle of sludge.
Until last season, I was expecting this to happen to Littlefinger.
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Until last season, I was expecting this to happen to Littlefinger.
I was a bit bemused by Littlefinger's end. I get that he saw himself as some kind of master manipulator but then he had this critical and bizarre obsession with Catelyn followed by one with Sansa, and all it did was put him at unnecessary risk, even after he became aware that:

1) An army of the dead was coming from the north, and

2) An army of robot-like soldiers and blood-crazy horsemen and dragons was coming from the east.

You'd think either of those would have a smart man thinking "Geez, this shakes up the game a bit, I better keep a low profile until I see how this plays out." Instead, he deliberately tries to play Sansa against Arya for no immediate reason, and when he could quite easily parlay his leverage into becoming Lord of the Vale.
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I was a bit bemused by Littlefinger's end. I get that he saw himself as some kind of master manipulator but then he had this critical and bizarre obsession with Catelyn followed by one with Sansa, and all it did was put him at unnecessary risk, even after he became aware that:

1) An army of the dead was coming from the north, and

2) An army of robot-like soldiers and blood-crazy horsemen and dragons was coming from the east.

You'd think either of those would have a smart man thinking "Geez, this shakes up the game a bit, I better keep a low profile until I see how this plays out." Instead, he deliberately tries to play Sansa against Arya for no immediate reason, and when he could quite easily parlay his leverage into becoming Lord of the Vale.
I agree about all that; if the writers wanted us to accept it, they should have made more of an effort to sell the 'Littlefinger's brain stopped working due to his obsession' excuse for his poor decision-making.
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Littlefinger's whole shtick was to create chaos, it being a ladder and all. He created chaos in King's Landing, The Vale and tried unsuccessfully to do it again in Winterfell. I think he may have been wormtonguing his way into Sansa until he slipped up and told her Arya wanted to be Lady of Winterfell. That was a complete record-scratch type, "Nope. Not my sister." In my head canon Sansa went directly to Arya and explained his little game. Which is the reason why Arya thinks Sansa's the smartest person she knows.
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I just had a nasty thought. What if...the Battle of Winterfell goes all pear-shaped. Rhaegar is killed by Viserion. Jon is unhorsed, as it were. Dany thinks the battle is lost, grabs Jon and they fly away to Dragonstone to figure out what to do, over Jon's protests. The Good Guys lose massive numbers of people and flee south ahead of the augmented Army of Undead. They all think Jon betrayed them for Princess Dragon-titties. Melisandre shows up and convinces Jon that the only weapon that can kill the Night King is a reforged sword, tempered in the blood of a queen. In the end, Jon stabs Dany to forge the new blade, then heads off on a suicide mission. He dies but succeeds. Only a few are left standing to rebuild, and all of the main contestants are dead. Sam goes off to write the history of the war, and the rest ponder an uncertain future. The final shot is of a sprout or flowering twig or some other "promise of Spring."
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