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I tried an impossible burger at white castle and was not impressed.
Try it at a different burger place if you get a chance. It varies a lot. Some of the White Castle ones I've had were great; some undercooked and vegetal. As I said above, there seems to be a lot of variation on the things. I would find another hamburger joint that serves them and try them there before writing them off. My cousin, for example, had one at Kuma's Corner -- a place that is famous for their hamburgers in Chicago -- and hated the Impossible Burger there. Meanwhile, he tried one again at White Castle and loved it. (And he's an eat-a-one-pound-beef-burger kind of guy, but open minded enough to check out veggie options from time to time.)

There does seem to be a trick to cooking them right, though, to maximize their meatiness and not get some of the vegetal side flavors. That's why I'm excited to hear there will be a retail release later this year: I'm looking forward to playing around with it. I'm also looking forward to trying BK's take on it. I don't like BK burgers, but I have a feeling I may actually like a BK Impossible burger, for some reason.

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Come to think of it, my first experience with "fake meats" was back in the 90s with some vegan cafe that was a couple doors down from the coffeeshop I worked it. They had some sort of Asian "mock duck" dish made with, I believe, seitan. Now, I don't think it really tasted like duck to me, but it was an impressively meaty texture and had soaked up meaty flavors that I would have thought it was a meat-based protein of some sort had I not been told otherwise. They may very well have been the last time I've had seitan, so I'd be curious to try it again and see what I think of it now in that sort of preparation.
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Sucks, I'd love a good plant based meat or lab grown meat alternative.
These aren't bad as long as you don't overcook them. If you do, they dry out something turribl. Also, they don't end up looking greasy like the ones in this picture do, even when you cook em proper like.
https://www.morningstarfarms.com/pro...s-product.html

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There does seem to be a trick to cooking them right, though, to maximize their meatiness and not get some of the vegetal side flavors. That's why I'm excited to hear there will be a retail release later this year: I'm looking forward to playing around with it.
For those of us who cook but aren't foodies, this is just what we need - another way to screw up a main course.
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For those of us who cook but aren't foodies, this is just what we need - another way to screw up a main course.
But that's the same with ground beef. I've had plenty of shitty hamburger by people who didn't know what they were doing there, either. So, nothing really different than using any other ingredient.

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I tried the Beyond Famous Star at Carl's Jr several weeks ago because I had a coupon for it. The thing came smothered in sauce and left me feeling 'full' after I ate it, but it was a different kind of fullness that I have never really experienced before, if that makes sense. Surprisingly, the Beyond Famous Star contains more calories than a normal Famous Star, but I don't really know where those calories were coming from haha.

I still don't really know how I feel about it, but it's unlikely I'll go out of my way to order another one.
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The Beyond Burger: pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, water, yeast extract, maltodextrin, natural flavors, gum arabic, sunflower oil, salt, succinic acid, acetic acid, non-GMO modified food starch, cellulose from bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, beet juice extract
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The Beyond Burger: pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, water, yeast extract, maltodextrin, natural flavors, gum arabic, sunflower oil, salt, succinic acid, acetic acid, non-GMO modified food starch, cellulose from bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, beet juice extract

Holy crap I counted 3-4 things on there that my docs would have a total fit if they found out I was eating it ....... there's more oil in that thing that the fries ........

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It's not useful to prepare the sodium content of a prepared food (such as the plant burgers under discussion) to an unprepared food. When ground beef is cooked into hamburgers, sodium is added. Maybe some people just cook up plain ground beef without any flavoring but I wouldn't want it.

I suppose you could use potassium salt if sodium was a real issue and in that case you wouldn't want any prepared food with a lot of sodium.
uh, I don't add a ton of salt to ground beef. These sound way over salted for my tastes.

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I mean, I found my first experience (at Umami Burger) pretty surprising. While it did not meet the "tastes exactly like beef" hype that I was getting from Youtube videos from sources I mostly trust, it was shockingly close to a meat experience, in my opinion. For me, it had passed the hump of the "uncanny valley" territory of meat substitutes. I used to be of the opinion of either eat meat, or eat veggies, and forget all this weird stuff pretending to be meat. My attitude has changed. Now I think, you know, for those who want to -- for whatever reasons, moral, environmental, etc -- reduce meat in their diet but want a meat-like experience, they are coming up with some pretty darned good and tasty meat substitutes. For example, I like a lot of Morningstar's products -- yeah, they're salty as shit, but their various bean patties are quite good, and not pretending to be meat. Meanwhile, I've hated every Boca burger I've ever tasted. These products -- Impossible Burger and Beyond Burger -- actually did make me rethink my attitude towards fake-meat burgers.

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thank you. I guess i have to try this. But I like to eat my burger plain, with maybe a bun and some ketchup. (But often I just put a burger on my plate and eat it with a fork.) Mine never "taste like mustard". So I may be a harder audience to please.

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Here's the deal for me... as a 30+ year vegetarian... I don't really WANT my burgers to taste "just like real beef." I've been happy since my first Boca Burger to have a substitute patty that I can DRESS "like a real burger." But I really didn't like meat when I still ate meat. I especially don't want any of the new veggie burgers that "bleed" "like real meat." YUK! Kinda defeats the point.
I don't think you are the intended market. I think it's for people who like meat, but either feel bad about slaughtering cows, or worry about the global warming caused by cows.
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The Beyond Burger: pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, water, yeast extract, maltodextrin, natural flavors, gum arabic, sunflower oil, salt, succinic acid, acetic acid, non-GMO modified food starch, cellulose from bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, beet juice extract

Holy crap I counted 3-4 things on there that my docs would have a total fit if they found out I was eating it ....... there's more oil in that thing that the fries ........
there nothing there that I'm not supposed to eat, but I avoid canola oil because it readily develops a really nasty flavor. I'm surprised they used it.
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The Beyond Burger: pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, water, yeast extract, maltodextrin, natural flavors, gum arabic, sunflower oil, salt, succinic acid, acetic acid, non-GMO modified food starch, cellulose from bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, beet juice extract

Holy crap I counted 3-4 things on there that my docs would have a total fit if they found out I was eating it ....... there's more oil in that thing that the fries ........
I'm curious what's so bad about the ingredients, or which ones jumped out at you? They seem mostly innocuous, and present in most processed pre-packaged food of any kind. I mean, maltodextrin doesn't exactly grow wild, but I don't think of it as sinister in any way.
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Re: sodium, this dubious nutrition website tells me a 43g BK patty has 145 mg of sodium
https://mobile.fatsecret.com/calorie...amburger-patty

When comparing two products we have to be sure we're comparing cooked vs cooked or raw vs raw. And I'm not sure which this is.
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I don't think you are the intended market. I think it's for people who like meat, but either feel bad about slaughtering cows, or worry about the global warming caused by cows.
Yeah, I've been about 99% vegetarian for 6 years now; I liked meat, I still like meat, but I can't in good conscience eat meat any more knowing the effect it's having on the planet.

Is a Beyond Burger as good as a regular ground beef patty? I cant' say that it is; in fact, the smell alone is a huge detriment. But the way I see it, it doesn't matter how good it is compared to the authentic article -- beef burgers are bad for the planet, so they should be eaten sparingly or not at all. That means the choice isn't between a beef burger and a Beyond Burger, but between a Beyond Burger and a conventional veggie patty, or a Beyond Burger and no burger at all. And personally, I'd order a Beyond Burger over a black bean burger every time.

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I had an Impossible Burger at a decent enough restaurant, but sadly they overcooked it. If I had enough time, I would have sent it back as I did order it "medium" and I wanted to have it juicy.

So I don't know that I had a good enough example to judge it.

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From the AP today: Meatsplainer: How new plant-based burgers compare to beef.

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If one is morally opposed to eating meat, then why would one want to eat something that is doing its best to look, taste and have the texture of meat?
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If one is morally opposed to eating meat, then why would one want to eat something that is doing its best to look, taste and have the texture of meat?
What do look, taste, and texture have to do with climate change?
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If one is morally opposed to eating meat, then why would one want to eat something that is doing its best to look, taste and have the texture of meat?
But some/many of us are not morally opposed to eating meat and want to reduce the environmental impact of eating meat. Or perhaps we are folks who are considering vegetarianism/veganism, but need a little "bridge" to help us over the gap. Or maybe we just want to reduce eating meat for myriad other reasons. Use your imagination.
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If one is morally opposed to eating meat, then why would one want to eat something that is doing its best to look, taste and have the texture of meat?
Someone else already answered, but I'm curious your reasoning here. Why would they not? The moral objection is to killing animals for food, and no animals are being killed. So what do you imagine would be the issue?
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This was in my Google news feed. Tl; dr: it is unhealthy junk food.
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This was in my Google news feed. Tl; dr: it is unhealthy junk food.
So, is he comparing 4oz of unadulterated lean ground beef to the Beyond burger?
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So, is he comparing 4oz of unadulterated lean ground beef to the Beyond burger?
I mean, if he wants to argue that a beyond burger is not particularly healthy, I don't think that's a shocker to anyone. However, he seems to disagree, as he thinks there's a sizeable market of health-conscious consumers who will stop buying them once they realize it's not a health food. It's a stock blog, so that's his primary interest, but personally I think people who buy burgers know that burgers are junk food.
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I mean, if he wants to argue that a beyond burger is not particularly healthy, I don't think that's a shocker to anyone. However, he seems to disagree, as he thinks there's a sizeable market of health-conscious consumers who will stop buying them once they realize it's not a health food. It's a stock blog, so that's his primary interest, but personally I think people who buy burgers know that burgers are junk food.
His whole argument seems dumb to me, but whatever. I don't think anyone in this thread has mentioned anything about them being "healthier" or not than beef (whatever that means--and we can argue till the cows come home about that one). From my personal experience with myself and others who have been trying out and eating these meat substitutes, the "healthiness" aspect of it has never figured into our equation to eat them. I know it's a small sample, but I'm not at all convinced the main market for these is health-food types.
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His whole argument seems dumb to me, but whatever. I don't think anyone in this thread has mentioned anything about them being "healthier" or not than beef (whatever that means--and we can argue till the cows come home about that one). From my personal experience with myself and others who have been trying out and eating these meat substitutes, the "healthiness" aspect of it has never figured into our equation to eat them. I know it's a small sample, but I'm not at all convinced the main market for these is health-food types.
If the Beyond Burger is not healthier than a regular beef burger than I can not see a reason to choose one over a beef burger unless you are a vegetarian/vegan.

As much as they have tried to replicate a beef burger with vegetables they just are not quite there. They are not bad but if I am in the mood for a burger I can never see myself choosing the Beyond Burger in lieu of a regular beef burger if the goal is to enjoy a good burger. If I did my reasons would have to extend beyond taste to something else (cost, save the planet maybe).
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His whole argument seems dumb to me, but whatever. I don't think anyone in this thread has mentioned anything about them being "healthier" or not than beef (whatever that means--and we can argue till the cows come home about that one). From my personal experience with myself and others who have been trying out and eating these meat substitutes, the "healthiness" aspect of it has never figured into our equation to eat them. I know it's a small sample, but I'm not at all convinced the main market for these is health-food types.
I'm going to assume the author isn't a vegetarian and is basing his analysis on misconceptions of vegetarians/vegans. Although some people do go plant-based primarily for health reasons (17% according to this), I've had a ton of people ask if I've done it for health reasons while offering up salads. It's almost a cliche at this point -- I don't want your stupid side salad, give me fries, dammit. I'm a vegetarian, not fat.
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If the Beyond Burger is not healthier than a regular beef burger than I can not see a reason to choose one over a beef burger unless you are a vegetarian/vegan.

Believe it or not, there are tons of people out there who are trying to eat less meat in order to reduce their carbon footprint without going full vegetarian/vegan. It's not a binary choice.
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I don't think anyone in this thread has mentioned anything about them being "healthier" or not than beef

Posts #9 and #14.
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Posts #9 and #14.
Perhaps I should have phrased it more precisely: I meant that nobody in this thread is under the delusion that they are "healthier" than meat.
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If the Beyond Burger is not healthier than a regular beef burger than I can not see a reason to choose one over a beef burger unless you are a vegetarian/vegan.
Reasons have been given in this thread by multiple posters already. I am most definitely NOT a vegetarian, but I eat (and really like) the Impossible Burger. Part of it is that I do feel like I should be eating less meat in general and reducing my carbon footprint; part of me does feel some ethical concerns in terms of treatment of animals, as well, but not enough (at least yet) to go vegetarian or vegan. There is, in my experience, a sizable market of people out there like me, who aren't vegetarian, but would like to reduce their meat consumption for myriad of reasons.

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so far it's main audience is trendy people trying to feel less guilty about eating meat all the time with the perception of "trying to be healthy while saving the planet " occasionally when at a fast food joint .....

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If the Beyond Burger is not healthier than a regular beef burger than I can not see a reason to choose one over a beef burger unless you are a vegetarian/vegan.
From an article about the founding of Impossible Foods, "In 2009, [Impossible Foods founder Patrick O.] Brown decided to devote an 18-month sabbatical [from Stanford University] to eliminating industrial meat production, which he determined at the time to be the world’s largest environmental problem. A staggering one-third of the land on Earth is used to raise livestock and their food. The Midwest is a giant feed trough. Reducing meat consumption, Brown figured, would free up vast amounts of land and water, would greatly mitigate climate change, would alleviate the suffering of billions of animals, would eliminate mountains of chemical fertilizer, and would make people healthier. It seemed like a no-brainer."
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From my experience and watching videos about the Impossible Whopper, the burger is a little tricky to make, that the window between under and over cooked is very narrow.

Anyone had experience with the meatless burger McDonald's sells in India?
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