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Also in the iron man movies, the fights do happen using guns. The iron man armor has numerous forms of gun installed in it, from missiles to a laser weapon to "repulsor blasts" that are an energy weapon.
The Guardians of the Galaxy use guns all the time. Rocket's whole schtick is pulling out some big-ass weapon. Black Widow uses guns in addition to her other tricks. Others, frankly, wouldn't really benefit from guns. What could the Hulk do with an assault rifle that he can't do as the Hulk? What is Ant-Man going to do with a teeny-tiny pistol? Thor can throw his hammer with unerring precision around corners and smashing through barriers to hit multiple targets -- sure, let's give him a shotgun instead. Spider-Man's Stark suit(s) can kill people in various ways but movies about a nerdy teenager who murders bank robbers probably won't sell well. Hawkeye, there's no excuse for, which even Hawkeye admits

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Marines with available loadouts in our world would generally not be able to deal with the level of threats seen in the MCU. However, yes, I do agree in general - in a realistic universe, not just costumed vigilantes would have access to weapons and superpowers. Governments would have found ways to replicate the various mechanisms that give individuals superpowers and would equip their elite, trusted forces with the powers.
Isn't that the supposed point of SHIELD? And we do see people trying to copy Stark's gear (although part of Stark's superherosim is his exceptional intelligence and inventing skills) with varying degrees of success.

But part of the stories is that something big happens fast. Six people can respond to an alien invasion in the heart of New York long before a Marine battalion can be deployed and set up (and subsequently slaughtered, most likely).

All that said, it's a superhero movie. Flying dudes and throwing cars and weird powers and shit. You need to buy into it. If someone thinks they'll have more fun by crossing their arms and glowering at the screen then more power to them, I guess.
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Of course, Bucky has a superstrong bionic arm, and Falcon has a costume that lets him fly around, and both of them — use guns, because, hey, that other stuff might be real useful during a rescue mission or whatever, but there’s a fight to be had so how about each of you go grab a gun and make yourselves useful?
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He's got a girlfriend who he chastely kisses, but nothing more than that.
If you need to know anything about the MCU it's this: Iron Man fucks.
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And there's a scene in Thor with Thor and Jane Foster eating breakfast together in the camper she's living in at the time. That's about as explicit as you can get in a PG-13 movie.

IIRC, there's also confirmation that Dr. Strange and his love interest have slept together (in a broom closet at work, no less).
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And there's a scene in Thor with Thor and Jane Foster eating breakfast together in the camper she's living in at the time. That's about as explicit as you can get in a PG-13 movie.

IIRC, there's also confirmation that Dr. Strange and his love interest have slept together (in a broom closet at work, no less).
Ant-Man actually fathered a kid. (And the other Ant-Man also fathered a kid.)
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I always found the fighting in the superhero movies to be repetitive and somewhat boring. Every hero deals a lot of blunt force trauma (fists or weapon of choice) to other heroes/antiheroes who are impervious to blunt force trauma. Hulk has fists, Cap has his shield, Thor hammer, IronMan ion blasters, etc.
It's like a pillow fight. Sure you might knock someone down but no ones going to get hurt.
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I always found the fighting in the superhero movies to be repetitive and somewhat boring. Every hero deals a lot of blunt force trauma (fists or weapon of choice) to other heroes/antiheroes who are impervious to blunt force trauma. Hulk has fists, Cap has his shield, Thor hammer, IronMan ion blasters, etc.
It's like a pillow fight. Sure you might knock someone down but no ones going to get hurt.
Yes, and what makes these movies good is that it usually comes down to who can outsmart the other one instead of who punches the hardest.
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Yes, and what makes these movies good is that it usually comes down to who can outsmart the other one instead of who punches the hardest.


Yeah, if it was just about who punches hardest, the team with Thor and Hulk really wouldn’t need the rest of the team.
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Yes, and what makes these movies good is that it usually comes down to who can outsmart the other one instead of who punches the hardest.
Doctor Strange probably had the most creative solution to defeating his villain.
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Yes, and what makes these movies good is that it usually comes down to who can outsmart the other one instead of who punches the hardest.
Which movies?

MCU movies, for the most part, seem to be all about punching cgi hordes. I'd love to see someone use their brains for practical solutions. How about some solution that is more chess-like, maneuvering the villain into a position that he is trapped. True, Stark did that in the first Iron Man, but when it comes to the big climactic battle of the premier movies, it's all about punching innumerable interchangeable troops.

And DC isn't any better. Superman is supposed to be a 12th level thinker, and Batman is the world's greatest detective, but do either of them show any of that in the recent films? Heck, Adam West Batman at least used his lab to solve crimes.

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MCU movies, for the most part, seem to be all about punching cgi hordes. I'd love to see someone use their brains for practical solutions. How about some solution that is more chess-like, maneuvering the villain into a position that he is trapped. True, Stark did that in the first Iron Man, but when it comes to the big climactic battle of the premier movies, it's all about punching innumerable interchangeable troops.
To name a few:
Thor 2 + 3
Guardians of the Galaxy
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
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To name a few:
Thor 2 + 3
Guardians of the Galaxy
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
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FWIW, the ones I really enjoyed were:

Iron Man
The Avengers
Avengers Age of Ultron
Captain America Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers Infinity War
Avengers Endgame

You will get most of the overall story from that. Personally I don't care about the plot that much. I vaguely remember "tesseracts" and "stones" in some of the movies but had no idea it was an overall theme/arc. I'm really in it for the banter and the flashy battle scenes.
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Iron Man, as you mentioned. Doctor Strange is the alpha example, as he beats his big bad by letting himself get killed hundreds over and over and over, until the bad guy gives up. The first Guardians of the Galaxy movie is won through the main cast standing around holding hands. The climax of Winter Soldier involves a lot of punching between Cap and Bucky, but ultimately Cap wins by convincing Bucky to fight his brainwashing. And there's no big punch-'em-up with Robert Redford's character. Ragnarok ends with a big fight, but the maneuver that gets them the win is blowing up Asgard so the villain can't use its power anymore, which is at least interesting tactics. Civil War climaxes in a fist fight between Captain America and Iron Man, but it explicitly doesn't solve anything, and is meant to be seen as a failure of the Avengers as a team that it got to that point. Meanwhile, Black Panther just talks to Zemo until the cops show up to arrest him, expressly making the point that nothing would be served by another fight.
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...That [The Other Waldo Pepper's post] being a spoiler for how someone did something smart in Endgame.

And several of the villains in Ant-Man and the Wasp were largely defeated by ordinary friends of the protagonist doing ordinary-people things.

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And there's a scene in Thor with Thor and Jane Foster eating breakfast together in the camper she's living in at the time. That's about as explicit as you can get in a PG-13 movie.

IIRC, there's also confirmation that Dr. Strange and his love interest have slept together (in a broom closet at work, no less).
Star Lord is a notorious hornddog who can't even remember the names of the women he slept with. He only starts to settle down after he falls in love with Gamora.

In Guardians of the Galaxy 2 the Ravagers visit a brothel with cyborg prostitutes.
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Star Lord is a notorious hornddog who can't even remember the names of the women he slept with. He only starts to settle down after he falls in love with Gamora.
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Star Lord is a notorious hornddog who can't even remember the names of the women he slept with. He only starts to settle down after he falls in love with Gamora.
Even then, he still defines himself as her "long-term booty call".
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Did you watch any movies? Watch Endgame? How was it?
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Star Lord is a notorious hornddog who can't even remember the names of the women he slept with. He only starts to settle down after he falls in love with Gamora.
There's even an on-screen joke that the interior of his space ship is covered in sperm.

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