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Old 12-02-2019, 07:14 AM
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How Narcissists Wear Out Their Welcome (And Why Trump Has Not)
Why has Trump followed the predictable course for narcissism in one way, alienating many who have served in his administration, and defied expectations in another way, by continuing to attract an adoring core?

Good article (though long & wordy-- are there no editors anymore??). The upshot is that narcissists IRL ultimately wear out their welcome because they are unpleasant to be around:
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Over time, people become annoyed, if not infuriated, by their self-centeredness. When narcissists begin to disappoint those they once dazzled, their descent can be especially precipitous.
This has been borne out by the revolving door in this administration. People who actually have to DEAL with him give up after a while. His adoring supporters never have to work with him in person.
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...But the crux of the matter—the secret to Trump’s success with the base—may be that if bad news can’t quite pierce the Trumpist bubble, neither, in a way, can Trump. The millions of American voters who adore the president do not have to interact with him directly. Unlike the White House staff, they do not have to endure Trump’s incendiary outbursts or kowtow to his unpredictable whims. As anonymous members of a television audience, they can gaze upon their hero from afar.

If they want to get a little closer, they can attend a Trump rally. In the local sports arena or civic center, they can sit just a few hundred feet away from the president, cheering and chanting. They can express their love for the him in the presence of thousands of others who love him too. They can laugh at his jokes and partake of the anger and disgust he expresses toward his enemies. Excitement fills the arena. What outlandish thing will he do? What will he say to capture the headlines of the next day? A Trump rally is a safe space for Trump supporters. They can sit back and enjoy the performance, because whatever he says cannot directly threaten them. He will be gone tomorrow.

The relationship that Trump enjoys with rally-goers may mirror the one he established more than a decade ago with viewers of The Apprentice. In her article “From Apprentice to President,” the cognitive scientist Shira Gabriel argued that viewers of Trump’s reality-television show formed “parasocial bonds” with the host. These “one-sided psychological bonds with specific media figures such as favorite celebrities” leave the viewer feeling that she truly knows the star and enjoys a special relationship with him. After statistically controlling for a range of other factors, Gabriel found that American television viewers who established parasocial bonds with Trump as the host of The Apprentice were disproportionately likely to vote for him in the 2016 presidential election, even if they were Democrats. They were also more likely than others to report that they believed Trump’s promises to bring back factory jobs to the United States, build a wall on the Mexican border, and defeat America’s enemies in the Middle East. If it were not for The Apprentice, Gabriel argued, there would be no President Trump.

Trump’s biggest fans have a parasocial bond with an icon—whereas his advisers and staff must work through a real-life social bond with a difficult human being. Trump’s biggest fans believe that they have an up-close-and-personal relationship with Trump—but they never actually see the man up close.
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My bold. Like the relationships we had with our teenage idols. And at about the same developmental level IMHO.
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...The president’s raging narcissism has created chaos in the White House, and it has driven away scores of advisers, staff members, and others who had hoped to serve productively in his administration. As is usually the case with narcissists, Trump has worn out his welcome. He has disappointed and alienated many of the people with whom he has worked closely, as narcissists eventually do.

But Trump’s unusual brand of narcissism has simultaneously worked to solidify his loyal base of support in the American public at large. Those who admire him from afar may enjoy an extraordinarily durable parasocial relationship with a reflected persona that is deeply familiar to them. They know in their heart who Donald Trump is. They continue to admire his wonderful and unchanging essence, beautiful like the boy in the pool [the mythological Narcissus], even if they know very little about what it is like to encounter Donald Trump as a real human being.
"Real human being"?

This is separate from the problem of gutless, unprincipled Republicans who support him in public (or simply fail to oppose him) because their constituents are in thrall. Or for other reasons, like wanting to lock in a conservative Supreme Court.
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:02 AM
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Don, Jr. is pissed that bookstores aren't carrying his book.

Welcome to the club, pal.


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Donald Trump Jr. is triggered by lack of bookstore support for 'Triggered'

Yes, Junior, it’s the usual B.S. — i.e., no one outside of the Republican National Committee wants to buy your book, and no one who can actually afford a plane ticket and/or a $9 bag of trail mix would be caught dead holding it.

So, yeah, whine some more, Little Lord Fauntleroy.


So what would you call someone who writes like a prairie chicken with four feet of rebar stuck in its head and who nevertheless thinks his “book” deserves a coveted slot in airport bookstores? Maybe … uh … “triggered”?

It’s the No. 1 book because Daddy told the RNC and the other Trump-cult satellites to buy it in bulk. Most people would rather be seen walking around the airport with a flamethrower and a crate full of hand grenades.

Full disclosure: I haven’t read it. But for some reason I’m guessing it’s not exactly Voltaire.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:19 PM
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Tom Steyer, one of the democratic candidates, has bought the URL for Trump's 2020 slogan "Keep America Great"

https://www.keepamericagreat.com/

Someone in the Trump campaign is in trouble!
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:42 PM
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Tom Steyer, one of the democratic candidates, has bought the URL for Trump's 2020 slogan "Keep America Great"

https://www.keepamericagreat.com/

Someone in the Trump campaign is in trouble!
I'm not entirely happy with Steyer being in the race, but this? This is GOLDEN.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:15 PM
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..."Real human being"? ...
My guess is that the cloud of methane drifting about his fast-food-scarfing person, does indeed mark him as human.
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Old 12-03-2019, 02:41 PM
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In 2018, Lewis Lukens, the number two man at the US Embassy in London and a 30-year veteran diplomat, made a speech at UK universities talking about how the UK should not give up on the relationship with the US. He was then fired by the Individual 1-appointed Ambassador, Johnson & Johnson scion Woody Johnson, for mentioning Obama in his speeches.
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-is-wa...can-diplomats/
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Old 12-03-2019, 02:58 PM
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Meant to comment on this a few weeks ago, but keep your eye on the Fed Chair and how Trump reacts to him. Trump seems obsessed with negative interest rates. This push for negative rates, which has failed in Europe, leads me to believe that he is massively in debt with no way out -- in addition to the many other signs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1XN1VC
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:14 PM
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Individual 1: "I don't know Prince Andrew". He had lunch with him the last time he was in the UK.
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Individual 1: "I don't know Prince Andrew". He had lunch with him the last time he was in the UK.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...iuffre-1475231
To be fair, he can't remember much of anything more than a few hours in the past.
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:25 PM
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The New York Times article about Trump's claiming not to know Prince Andrew is pretty funny, in that it includes photos of the two of them together at multiple occasions.
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:26 PM
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To be fair, he can't remember much of anything more than a few hours in the past.
He doesn't remember what he said at the beginning of a sentence by the time he reaches the end.

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The first movie directed by Orson Welles was about a woman with two lovers, entitled Too Much Johnson.
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Too Much Johnson.
....said no one ever.

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Old 12-03-2019, 07:34 PM
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Pompeo: The US supports the protesters in Iran.
Individual 1: Do we support the protesters? The answer is no.
Individual 1: The United States of America supports the brave people of Iran who are protesting for their FREEDOM.
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He doesn't remember what he said at the beginning of a sentence by the time he reaches the end.

Oh, come on. You know that's not correct. When has he ever uttered a complete sentence?
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....said no one ever.
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....said no one ever.
From The Years of Lyndon Johnson: Master of the Senate by Robert A. Caro:
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He early became fabled for a Rabelaisian earthiness, urinating in the parking lot of the House Office Building as the urge took him; if a colleague came into a Capitol bathroom as he was finishing at the urinal there, he would sometimes swing around still holding his member, which he liked to call “Jumbo,” hooting once, “Have you ever seen anything as big as this?,” and shaking it in almost a brandishing manner as he began discoursing about some pending legislation.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:13 PM
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Thank God there was no Twitter then.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:23 PM
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Thank God there was no Twitter then.
LBJ would probably have created an @PeenOTUS account just to post dick pics.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:29 PM
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World leaders laughing at Trump.
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:18 PM
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Thank God there was no Twitter then.
I don't have the creativity - but I think it would be great if we had tweets thru the ages of the presidency - Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, etc.....
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I don't have the creativity - but I think it would be great if we had tweets thru the ages of the presidency - Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, etc.....
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My guess is that the cloud of methane drifting about his fast-food-scarfing person, does indeed mark him as human.
MOOOOOOO.

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After video surfaced that appeared to show the French, Canadian and British leaders mocking his long q&a sessions yesterday, Trump says his scheduled press conference is off and he’ll go directly to Washington after his meetings instead.
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At NATO in London alongside Merkel, Trump just called Trudeau “two-faced”
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From The Years of Lyndon Johnson: Master of the Senate by Robert A. Caro:
An episode of the new season of The Crown dramatizes the whirling-around-at-the-urinal moment. (The episode is about how LBJ agrees to a bailout of the UK after Princess Margaret charms LBJ in a dirty limerick contest.)
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Canada is well aware that Trudeau is a hypocrite and re-elected him entirely in spite of that fact. Trump doesn't like hypocrites? Man, is he ever in for a rude surprise some day when he is looking in the mirror.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:52 AM
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Birds of a feather... (My bold)

All the President’s Crooks
Again and again, Trump’s core supporters have turned out to be criminals.

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The first House member to endorse Donald Trump, Chris Collins of New York, pleaded guilty to insider-trading charges on October 1, 2019.

The second House Trump endorser, Duncan Hunter of California, pleaded guilty to criminal misuse of campaign funds yesterday.

Is a pattern emerging? The third House member to endorse Donald Trump was Representative Tom Marino of Pennsylvania. Trump thanked Marino by nominating him in April 2017 to head the Office of National Drug Control Policy. Marino withdrew his name from consideration after four months of press reports like this one, from The Washington Post:
In April 2016, at the height of the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history, Congress effectively stripped the Drug Enforcement Administration of its most potent weapon against large drug companies suspected of spilling prescription narcotics onto the nation’s streets … The chief advocate of the law that hobbled the DEA was Rep. Tom Marino, a Pennsylvania Republican who is now President Trump’s nominee to become the nation’s next drug czar.
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So, um, who was the fourth House member to endorse Trump?

That would be Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee. Here’s how Politico reported the difficulties he faced as he sought reelection for a third term in 2014, in a story headlined, “The biggest hypocrite in Congress?”
Two abortions. Maybe three, if you count the one he pressured a girlfriend—who happened to be his patient—to get. Pulling out a gun during an argument with his first wife. Prescribing pills to another patient while they dated. Getting reprimanded by the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners for dallying with patients, an ethics violation.
The fifth House member to endorse Trump, Tom Reed of New York, took more than two years to comply with House ethics rules and divest himself from the law firm that bore his name, a medical-debt-collection business, and commercial real-estate holdings after his election in 2010. Reed eventually sold the debt-collection business to one of his brothers. His attorney promised to release the correspondence with the Ethics Committee that he said would explain the delay, but when pressed by an opponent to follow through during the 2014 election, Reed demurred.
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Trump’s core supporters have proved again and again to be criminals: Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, and Roger Stone, have pleaded guilty to, or been convicted of, federal crimes. Now Collins and Hunter, Trump’s earliest supporters in the House, have joined them.

The attraction of such people—and so many like them—to Donald Trump tells us something important about who Trump is: a man who appeals to crooks because they recognize him as one of their own.
He DOES know how to pick 'em!
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:01 AM
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After video surfaced that appeared to show the French, Canadian and British leaders mocking his long q&a sessions yesterday, Trump says his scheduled press conference is off and he’ll go directly to Washington after his meetings instead.
I guess he decided to go away before they taunted him a second time.
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Probably thinks elderberries are seniors.
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Probably thinks elderberries are seniors.
Or an *ahem* personal condition that senior sometimes get.
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Rudy went to Budapest yesterday to meet with former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, who the Republicans are claiming Joe Biden got fired. Today he's in Ukraine, meeting with Viktor Shokin and Kostiantyn H. Kulyk
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Former intelligence advisor Susan Gordon says Individual 1 refused to believe the intel briefings he was being given, because they didn't match his preconceptions.
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Texas judge temporarily blocks private WALL construction.
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Modern Republicanism, in a nutshell.
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When do the Dems ask for the real, hidden away transcript? There's a reason Trump's flunkeys hid the fucking thing.

18 minutes of tape?
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MOOOOOOO.
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Yes, I should have said "mammalian" rather than "human."

The point was to counter speculation that he's a mechanical doll constructed in the bowels of the Kremlin.

(It took their scientists years to get one to work on the breakdown of saturated fats, but they finally achieved it. Periodic input of fried chicken and Filets-o-Fish keep that homunculus running as well as can be expected.)
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Or an *ahem* personal condition that senior sometimes get.
I fart in your general direction …
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The word is “or”. As in “a chamber pot of or”.
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When do the Dems ask for the real, hidden away transcript? There's a reason Trump's flunkeys hid the fucking thing.

18 minutes of tape?
Seriously. I want to see some discussion of this. Ever since the super-duper secret server and the hidden transcript there became publicly known, I've seen non-stop yelling and screaming in the media about why it might have been put there, how the published transcript might have been doctored, but NOTHING about any possibility of actually getting the original back out of there. No demands to see the original. No subpoenas for it? No discussion over what it would take to get it?

Is that server a one-way street? Is it /dev/null? Is it write-only? Are documents stashed there gone and lost forever? Are they encrypted with a twelve-thousand-bit key and the key shredded and burned? Is it a felony to even think about documents once they are put there?

BTW, what does "code word level" mean?
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Seriously. I want to see some discussion of this. Ever since the super-duper secret server and the hidden transcript there became publicly known, I've seen non-stop yelling and screaming in the media about why it might have been put there, how the published transcript might have been doctored, but NOTHING about any possibility of actually getting the original back out of there. No demands to see the original. No subpoenas for it? No discussion over what it would take to get it?
It is the original or, at least, as close as we are liable to ever come minus a few discrepancies that Vindman testified to.

Vindman testimony, pages 47-56:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/lt-col-a...nt-depositions

They should have gotten the ball rolling on getting the other transcripts which had been moved to the server, though. (Possibly they have and it's just not been leaked yet.)
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The word is “or”. As in “a chamber pot of or”.
Nitpick: according to every heraldic description I've come across, it would be "a chamber pot or" (no "of").

In any case, IMHO Nava was more accurate. "Or" implies solid gold, while "gilded" implies a veneer of gold over base metal. Well nigh perfect description of House Drumpf.
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BTW, what does "code word level" mean?
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The United States government classifies information according to the degree which the unauthorized disclosure would damage national security. Having Top Secret clearance does not allow one to view all Top Secret documents. The user of the information must possess the clearance necessary for the sensitivity of the information, as well as a legitimate need to obtain the information. For example, all US military pilots are required to obtain at least a Secret clearance, but they may only access documents directly related to their orders. Secret information might have additional access controls that could prevent someone with a Top Secret clearance from seeing it.

Since all federal departments are part of the Executive Branch, the classification system is governed by Executive Order rather than by law. Typically each president will issue a new executive order, either tightening classification or loosening it. The Clinton administration made a major change in the classification system by issuing an executive order that for the first time required all classified documents to be declassified after 25 years unless they were reviewed by the agency that created the information and determined to require continuing classification.
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Code Word classifications

Top Secret is the highest level of classification. However some information is compartmentalized by adding a code word so that only those who have been cleared for each code word can see it. This information is also known as "Sensitive Compartmented Information" (SCI). A document marked SECRET (CODE WORD) could be viewed only by a person with a secret or top secret clearance and that specific code word clearance. Each code word deals with a different kind of information. The CIA administers code word clearances.

Top Secret

The highest security classification. "Top Secret shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause "exceptionally grave damage" to the national security that the original classification authority is able to identify or describe." It is believed that 1.4 million Americans have top secret clearances.

Secret

This is the second-highest classification. Information is classified Secret when its unauthorized disclosure would cause "serious damage" to national security. Most information that is classified is held at the secret sensitivity.

Confidential

This is the lowest classification level of information obtained by the government. It is defined as information that would "damage" national security if publicly disclosed, again, without the proper authorization.
TL;DR: Code Word Level refers to compartmentalized, "need to know" information, and only those individuals with both the appropriate security clearance and that specific program/document/whatever's code word are cleared for that information. It is the tightest-held level of security, although it should be noted that it's an "add-on" classification to "Secret" or "Top Secret" classifications.
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"Top Secret is the highest level of classification. However some information is compartmentalized by adding a code word so that only those who have been cleared for each code word can see it. This information is also known as "Sensitive Compartmented Information" (SCI)"

is not quite correct. There is non-SCI code word material.
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Wiki sez (all emphases mine):


TL;DR: Code Word Level refers to compartmentalized, "need to know" information, and only those individuals with both the appropriate security clearance and that specific program/document/whatever's code word are cleared for that information. It is the tightest-held level of security, although it should be noted that it's an "add-on" classification to "Secret" or "Top Secret" classifications.
So, logically, there must be something on the real transcript that CFSG doesn't want everyone to see. Otherwise, why is it code word secure?
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