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Old 05-23-2019, 02:10 PM
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Catch-22 on Hulu 2019


I caught the first two episodes of this show (miniseries?) last night, and it was really good. One of my favorite books, and this show seems to hit that same mix of serious and funny without being cartoonish or sappy. I like the acting (George Clooney does a great Lt. Sheisskopf), the bombing missions are (I'm assuming accurately) intense, and the characters seem to be the right age.

The 1970s movie was full of old guys playing kids. And it had its good parts, but overall didn't strike the right tone, in my opinion. So far I like this show better. A novel like that needs a miniseries format to really spread its wings anyway. A feature length movie is a stage too small for the drama.

Anybody else see it? What did you think?
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:30 PM
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I've seen the first three episodes and I agree 100%. The show captures the feel of the novel so much better than the original movie. The novel had a lot of mood whiplash and black comedy, which is translated well on the show. The movie tried to be a broad comedy in many scenes, which just made the last third that much more jarring. And the casting is spot on. I was particularly impressed with Kyle Chandler as Col. Cathcart, who was a rather flat character in the movie but really comes to life on the show.
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Old 05-24-2019, 07:39 PM
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A lot better than the movie. They're doing a good job on what has to be hard material to adapt. Mixing the surrealism and black comedy with the actual drama can't be easy.
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Old 05-24-2019, 11:08 PM
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Watching it now and enjoying it immensely. Agree with the previous posts.

The hard part now will be to persuade people to read the book before they go to the miniseries.
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Old 05-27-2019, 11:42 AM
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We're watching it too. Somehow I never read the book, so it will be interesting to see what happens to Yo-Yo. I understand not wanting to risk your life with bombing missions (Ivylad says there's no way a commander can arbitrarily raise the mission count, that's decision is made way far up) but his actions are leading to deaths that may not have happened otherwise.
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Old 05-27-2019, 12:30 PM
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I finished it last night. It was really good. I missed a few things from the book: "Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?", "two to the fighting eighth power", Ex-PFC Wintergreen, The Great Loyalty Oath Crusade, Doc Daneeka declared dead against his own claims to the contrary. Oh, and Milo as the leader of various tribes in the jungles of Africa.

Overall it was one of the best screen adaptations of a novel I've seen. They even managed to capture the flashback/flashforward, out of chronological order aspect of the book without being too confusing. I'll definitely be watching it again in the near future to see what I missed the first time around.

One thing about the book is that the first three quarters or so was fairly lighthearted and funny, despite the subject matter, but the last quarter of the book took a really dark turn. This series seemed to have the dark parts fairly evenly spread about, though the last two episodes did have Aarfy and Snowden and a generally darker tone overall.
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Old 05-27-2019, 12:43 PM
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Thanks for this thread. I've seen that the show is out on Hulu and wanted outside opinions on it before having a look. Yes, I'm lazy. I read the book (Joseph Heller even visited my college in my senior year and we had a reception complete with chocolate-covered cotton balls), and I saw the movie the year it came out. Since the Dope says the series is okay, that's good enough for me!
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Old 05-27-2019, 01:21 PM
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Just finished it. The scene where


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the guy casually drives into enemy territory, rips down a Nazi banner, and strolls into a meeting like he owns the place



was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.



Never got around to reading the novel or watching the movie--does this cover to the end of the novel, or is there room for a second season?
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Well, I mentioned some stuff upthread from the books that didn't make it into the show, but I think it's mostly complete. If they make a second season, they'll have to come up with new material. There was a sequel to the books written 30-40 years later. But it's set thirty or forty years later too, when Yossarian is an old man. And it didn't get the rave reviews Catch 22 did. So I doubt they'll go that route.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:17 PM
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Never got around to reading the novel or watching the movie--does this cover to the end of the novel, or is there room for a second season?
I finished episode six and was deeply surprised that there weren't more. It didn't occur to me that the series might be considered complete at that point.

There are still major storylines missing, including the revenge of Nately's Whore's Sister, and Yossarian's great rafting adventure. The Egyptian cotton incident could be left out -- the series cuts a lot of the absurdism -- but it is one of the book's iconic scenes.

There are lots of elements missing in action:
A tight bombing pattern to look good in Life magazine. "I see everything twice!" "What kind of name is Yossarian?". Yossarian's deep love for the chaplain. The colonel's contempt for the chaplain, and the chaplain's spiritual resurrection.

The series is a lot better than the movie, but the book is one of the 20th century's great novels.
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I'm going to have to read the book. I was someone shocked at the abrupt ending. So, that's it? No resolution?
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Old 05-31-2019, 02:50 PM
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I'm going to have to read the book. I was someone shocked at the abrupt ending. So, that's it? No resolution?
The book had a fine surprise ending complete with hope for the future. The mini-series has spoilered it a little, but possibly not fatally (I won't add details).

The series has some auxiliary features along with the six episodes. One of the features implies that having Yossarian naked in the bomber was the finale -- the image being somewhat literal and somewhat metaphoric.

I think if the ratings skyrocket the producers will add a few more episodes. That's a guess, but it could be easily done, plot-wise.
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I bailed out [heh!] after one episode. I kept waiting for the black humor (the book is very, very funny). Episode 1 was just grim, and dull.
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I liked it, but I was a bit underwhelmed by the ending and the general gutting of Orr's storyline.

I mean: I read the book 25+ years ago and I can still recall the ending pretty vividly, but if you ask me 2 years from now how the miniseries ended, I probably won't remember.
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