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He then says they have only 48 hours, or 72 at most, before this happens--unless they send some workers on a suicide mission to drain the tanks. Those guys, who volunteered, are true heroes.
Did they actually tell them outright that it would be a suicide mission? Or did they tell them it would be highly hazardous but survivable....i.e. put it in some terms that would be more encouraging? In the show, the volunteers were told that they'd be paid a stipend by the government for their service, so I guess it was implied that they could theoretically survive. But it was unclear whether the volunteers truly understood that it was a suicide mission.

Also, I can't remember exactly who the guys were who volunteered. I mean, the group of guys who had been assembled and asked to volunteer - were they technicians who worked at the plant? Were they firemen or military servicemen? I can't remember.
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It was a senior engineer-mechanic who knew where the valves were, another senior engineer, and the shift supervisor. And they did survive.

The first guy claimed in interviews at the time that he was told he could refuse the assignment, but he reasoned that "how could I do that when I was the only person on the shift who knew where the valves were located."

As mentioned above, this was all in the interest of averting the possibility of multiple additional steam explosions.
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That's too bad that Mazin exaggerated it. He talks on the podcast about all the books he read, adds other details that don't make it on screen, etc., so he's conveying the impression of scrupulous attention to detail and accuracy.


ETA: Although he did allow that Khomyuk (who is a "she" BTW, played by Emily Watson) was a composite character to represent a group of maybe dozens of physicists who were advising Legasov.
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That's too bad that Mazin exaggerated it. He talks on the podcast about all the books he read, adds other details that don't make it on screen, etc., so he's conveying the impression of scrupulous attention to detail and accuracy.


ETA: Although he did allow that Khomyuk (who is a "she" BTW, played by Emily Watson) was a composite character to represent a group of maybe dozens of physicists who were advising Legasov.
The way it is presented in the series is that if one plucky physicist from Minsk hadn't put 2 and 2 together and bluffed her way past a few roadblocks to save the day half of Europe would be a radioactive wasteland today.

In reality the people working on containment knew they had to deal with all the water below the molten core and did.
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Actually, the tanks under the plant. Here's some of the dialogue from that emergency meeting, which I transcribed just now:
Yes, they sent some guys on a potential suicide mission to drain the tanks, after which there were worries about hitting the ground water. I'm not talking about the show, which I haven't seen, but about the accident in reality.

There's no way the accident would have resulted in a 4 megaton explosion. It would have been a "nuclear fizzle" at worst. That is still a big boom, could still create one hell of a mess and render parts of the landscape uninhabitable by humans. Deinococcus radiodurans would probably be just fine, and Cladosporium sphaerospermum, Wangiella dermatitidis, and Cryptococcus neoformans all use radiation to generate chemical energy for growth. All found in the area affected by Chernyol. So it wouldn't even be a sterile landscape although folks tend not to get excited by scenery composed of bacteria and fungus. Otherwise, you get a Red Forest far more extensive than what actually happened with a much longer recovery time. You still get a lot more radioactive isotopes lofted into the air. It's still a greater disaster than what actually happened. You still wouldn't want to drink the water or eat food from the area. I don't want to trivialize the consequences but what is described by your post is an exaggeration for dramatic effect that shouldn't occur in a docudrama trying for reality.
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People use "nuclear fizzle" to mean a nuclear weapons test that has a lower than expected yield. The conditions required for a nuclear explosion (a fission detonation) are not present in a reactor.
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So before I continue, is this addressed at some point? Because if not, this is basically bullshit anti-nuclear propaganda, pretending that Chernobyl was just a run of the mill plant that exploded for no good reason and it could happen anywhere because the people there "did everything right" and that still happened. Absolute fucking bullshit. And anti-nuclear propaganda, if that's what it is, in the age of climate catastrophe is criminal.
The show so far has spent a lot of time addressing the culture of the communist party in the USSR. Specifically, they show people in charge of energy who arrived at their positions through party loyalty as opposed to being an expert in the field, and they show how people at the plant are unwilling to deliver bad news to those party officials out of fear. So what you're describing at the plant where everyone says "we did everything right" is presented as BS -- I'm not sure if they're going to go into detail about all the things they did wrong (they haven't after 2 episodes), but clearly we the audience are to understand that "we did everything right" is equivalent of "please don't throw me in the gulag" combined with a heavy dose of denialism.

(FWIW, I believe this tendency to downplay to the scope of the catastrophe when reporting up the chain is exactly the same thing that happened at Fukushima, so the parallels are interesting).

Nothing so far has struck me as anti-nuclear propaganda, I'd relax your hackles for now.

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I think what we're talking about is a prompt-critical assembly, undesired in nuclear reactors because it is uncontrollable and will tend to overheat the core and blow the reactor apart. E.g., SL-1 released the equivalent of 32 kilograms of TNT in a few milliseconds.

Further criticality excursions could release dangerous bursts of radiation and energy, which is why they were dumping boron into the core to act as a neutron poison.

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I think what we're talking about is a prompt-critical assembly, undesired in nuclear reactors because it is uncontrollable and will tend to overheat the core and blow the reactor apart. E.g., SL-1 released the equivalent of 32 kilograms of TNT in a few milliseconds.

Further criticality excursions could release dangerous bursts of radiation and energy, which is why they were dumping boron into the core to act as a neutron poison.
Absolutely. I just wanted to draw out the important distinction between excursion/meltdown/fire/steam explosion/radiation/contamination/other untold horrors and a "nuclear explosion".

To be clear the show did not conflate those events.
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Craig Mazin specifically said on the podcast that the events leading up to the accident will be explored later in the miniseries.
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I just finished watching the second episode and was confused by the ending. It appeared that with the dosimeter going crazy, the lights going out, and the sounds of breathing stopped (with closed caption) that the three guys on the suicide mission had failed. But obviously they didn't because the thing didn't blow up (in the real world). So I was looking to see if this was real or fictionalized. I found this interesting write up on individuals involved with the Chernobyl disaster. The three heroes were "forgotten" from the original official version.

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In addition, on 28 April 1986, three men knowingly took on a likely suicide mission to prevent a steam explosion that would have destroyed an area from Kiev to Minsk, and would have cause the spread of lethal radiation across much of Europe.[28] Plant engineers Alexei Ananenko, Valeri Bespalov and Boris Baranov wore diving equipment and entered the reservoir tanks below the burning reactor, an area which had become filled with firefighting water and coolant water, to locate and open release valves to drain the water.[29] Scientists believe that, once the reactor melted through its concrete slab and plunged into the water, the steam explosion would have released many times more radiation into the atmosphere than the original explosion.[30] Despite severe risk, all three survived the mission, and in 2018 they were awarded the Order For Courage, Third Grade, by President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.[31] During the April 2018 ceremony, with the Chernobyl New Safe Confinement structure in the background, Poroshenko noted that the three men had been quickly forgotten at the time, with the Soviet news agency still hiding many of the details of the catastrophe, having reported that the three had all died and been buried in "tightly sealed zinc coffins."[31] Ananenko and Bespalov received their awards in person while Baranov, who died in 2005, was awarded posthumously.
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People use "nuclear fizzle" to mean a nuclear weapons test that has a lower than expected yield. The conditions required for a nuclear explosion (a fission detonation) are not present in a reactor.
No, but "nuclear fizzle" and "maximum possible BOOM out of a Chernobyl type reactor" are within spitting distance of each other. Or so I'm told.
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That's only because a nuclear fizzle can range down to almost nothing. A steam explosion would be on par with other big industrial accidents where chemical plants and such blow up. It would've probably been smaller than many. The contamination would be a real danger. Basically a dirty bomb.
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I watched both episodes with Mistermage and he kept sputtering through them. He especially thought it dumb the one General? drove the lead lined truck right up to the building to get a reading. Then he (husband) started spitting math at me like not only did I understand it but that I should either go back in time and tell the general the math formula or tell the writers if that bit was put in for license. He's Level III NDT and I passed algebra 30 some years ago
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That's only because a nuclear fizzle can range down to almost nothing. A steam explosion would be on par with other big industrial accidents where chemical plants and such blow up. It would've probably been smaller than many. The contamination would be a real danger. Basically a dirty bomb.
A really big dirty bomb, explosive range maybe up into tens of kilotons, but at least the single-kiloton range (there have been non-nuclear explosions in the 1-4 kiloton range. Fortunately, they are not common).

Yes, Chernobyl could have been worse. How much worse I can't say for sure, I'm just glad we didn't find out the hard way.

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It could have been worse but that's a matter of scale and conjecture. Going back to my initial post:

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Right, but what Railer is referring to is the near-miss of a massive cataclysm that would have killed millions and rendered all of Eastern Europe uninhabitable. That was not something I realized was a possibility, much less a near-inevitability if they had not prevented it at the last moment.
This is wildly speculative (and played for dramatic effect in the show). I don't think we were on the brink of disaster, an open core speweing radioactive material into the atmosphere and the surrounding environment *is* the disaster.
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A really big dirty bomb, explosive range maybe up into tens of kilotons, but at least the single-kiloton range (there have been non-nuclear explosions in the 1-4 kiloton range. Fortunately, they are not common).
Do you have a source for this? Tens of kilotons is a huge, HUGE conventional explosion. Unprecedented by anything except volcanos, meteor impacts, and nuclear weapons. Was that seriously predicted of what could've happened at Chernobyl without the release valves?

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I don't have a cite to point to, although I remember reading one or two claims which, to be honest, I found to be "out there". I don't have enough knowledge to truly evaluate such claims. As I said, there are documented explosions by conventional explosive things up to single kiloton range. If someone claimed hundreds of kilotons I'd say they were full of it but 10? I dunno, maybe?

You're right, it would be huge.

So far as I know there is no way you could get a nuclear explosion from a reactor core. So it would, indeed, have to be some sort of steam explosion powered by the heat generated by nuclear reactions, which is of course not a nuclear explosion.
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So, how dramatic and tense was the last scene in episode 2 of the semi-realistic fictional drama about Chernobyl then? Brrr, scary!
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Are we meant to understand that it was radiation that caused the lights to go out? Did these guys have some kind of shielding in their suits?
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And how the hell did they survive into the 2000s?
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The message I'm taking away from all the reading I've done recently about the accident is that humans can actually withstand and recover from high doses of radiation surprisingly well. They might need ongoing medical treatment for the rest of their lives afterwards, but it's not the death sentence that I originally thought it was.
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Are we meant to understand that it was radiation that caused the lights to go out?
Maybe the big explosion and all the water around all that electrical stuff? I dunno
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The message I'm taking away from all the reading I've done recently about the accident is that humans can actually withstand and recover from high doses of radiation surprisingly well. They might need ongoing medical treatment for the rest of their lives afterwards, but it's not the death sentence that I originally thought it was.

Yeah, interesting. As I mentioned upthread, my grandfather took me on a Ukrainian river cruise (with a short segment in the Black Sea), and on our ship was an engineer who was at Chernobyl when the accident happened. This was about four years later, and I remember being impressed that he looked to be in perfect health.
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Maybe the big explosion and all the water around all that electrical stuff? I dunno
I don't recall any explosion in that scene. (They were asking about the flashlights going out on the divers in the water.)
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So far as I know there is no way you could get a nuclear explosion from a reactor core. So it would, indeed, have to be some sort of steam explosion powered by the heat generated by nuclear reactions, which is of course not a nuclear explosion.
The only difference between an uncontrolled "nuclear reaction" and a "nuclear explosion" is how long the critical mass stays together in order to release energy via nuclear fission before blowing itself apart. Any sufficiently intense release of energy will result in an explosion. Little Boy featured highly enriched uranium, explosives to rapidly assemble a critical mass, and a tamper and neutron reflector around it to enhance the chain reaction effect and, even so, only a small fraction of the uranium underwent nuclear fission.

In a Chernobyl-type reactor, you don't ever want any part of the core to go prompt critical because it will result in an uncontrollable exponential power rise with a short period. Now, exactly how much energy was released through nuclear reactions in the first or second explosion? 10 tons? One ton? (It obviously wasn't "kilotons" or "megatons" of TNT.) I haven't seen reports of the latest computer simulations, from the 2000s, that could answer that question more accurately.
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I don't recall any explosion in that scene. (They were asking about the flashlights going out on the divers in the water.)
Ah, yes. Indeed.
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I don't have a cite to point to, although I remember reading one or two claims which, to be honest, I found to be "out there". I don't have enough knowledge to truly evaluate such claims. As I said, there are documented explosions by conventional explosive things up to single kiloton range. If someone claimed hundreds of kilotons I'd say they were full of it but 10? I dunno, maybe?

You're right, it would be huge.

So far as I know there is no way you could get a nuclear explosion from a reactor core. So it would, indeed, have to be some sort of steam explosion powered by the heat generated by nuclear reactions, which is of course not a nuclear explosion.
How big was the pool? I was back-of-the-beer-coaster thinking about the claim for the size of the steam explosion, and I got, just looking at the heat of vaporization for a water pool a hundred meters by 100 meters and 10 meters deep and the energy required to flash that to steam was on par with a few 10s of kilotons. Not that I think a melting core would do that, but I think the explosion would breach containment on Reactors 1-3, and we already know how hot graphite loves to burn.

Not a nuclear explosion, but one gigantic mess.

Aside, isn't it possible to get a supercritical state, for at least a few doubling, for some configurations of highly enriched fuel reactors? That, I'd think, would count as a nuclear explosion, if not what was actually present or possible at Chernobyl. My favorite fizzle story is the test from LLNL, that didn't even vaporize the test tower. So they made the next test tower shorter.
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Are we meant to understand that it was radiation that caused the lights to go out?
It's not clear to me why it would. I'm also wondering what caused the destruction of the helicopter rotor.

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In a Chernobyl-type reactor, you don't ever want any part of the core to go prompt critical because it will result in an uncontrollable exponential power rise with a short period. Now, exactly how much energy was released through nuclear reactions in the first or second explosion? 10 tons? One ton? (It obviously wasn't "kilotons" or "megatons" of TNT.) I haven't seen reports of the latest computer simulations, from the 2000s, that could answer that question more accurately.
Right, the explosive power is a function of energy and also time. SL-1 was estimated to be 32 kg of TNT, still a long way from 1 ton.

I didn't think it possible but some sources do suggest a nuclear explosion in those ranges as the direct cause for both explosions at Chernobyl (one or the other).

Legasov was at a loss to explain "how an RBMK reactor explodes" in the episode, I enjoyed that detail.
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I'm also wondering what caused the destruction of the helicopter rotor.
While watching that confused me too so I rewound it several times and finally ran it in slow motion. It looked to me like the pilot was incapacitated in some way (blinded?) when flying over the tower so the helicopter started listing, and then you could just barely see that the rotor hit a wire that snapped the rotor, at which point it dropped to the ground like a rock.
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While watching that confused me too so I rewound it several times and finally ran it in slow motion. It looked to me like the pilot was incapacitated in some way (blinded?) when flying over the tower so the helicopter started listing, and then you could just barely see that the rotor hit a wire that snapped the rotor, at which point it dropped to the ground like a rock.
Hitting a wire would do it. The inference I took was pilot incapacitation from very fast onset of severe acute radiation poisoning. The radio was also crackling. Could be interference from electromagnetic energy but all put together that scene didn't make a lot of sense.
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Hitting a wire would do it. The inference I took was pilot incapacitation from very fast onset of severe acute radiation poisoning. The radio was also crackling. Could be interference from electromagnetic energy but all put together that scene didn't make a lot of sense.
A better video? Looks like they got too close to that crane.
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A better video? Looks like they got too close to that crane.
Oh, it's pretty much an exact retelling of a true accident then. I had no idea.
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Yeah, that linked video shows pretty clearing the rotor hit the cable on the crane. Yep, that will ruin your whole day.
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That's historically accurate, the numbers are just exaggerated. And the claimed 30km radius was for the blast. The fallout would cover a much wider area (also said in the episode).
Yes, they mentioned all of Belarus, Ukraine, and I think Lithuania.
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Really like the show. I had no idea that it could have been much worse. Jared Harris graduated from Duke which is just down the road from me. They don't have much of a drama program , a lot of tech majors there.
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Huh, I grew up just down “Tobacco Road” in Chapel Hill, less than ten miles away, and always assumed Duke was very liberal arts oriented.
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yes they have liberal arts too along with law and medical schools both are very highly ranked. Lots of medical research done at Duke.
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FWIW, a direct quote from Craig Mazin, the creator/writer/showrunner, on the latest podcast episode: "The last thing I wanted to do is scare people about nuclear power. This is not a polemic about nuclear power." And they are now starting to dig into what caused the accident.

But my HBO GO subscription just expired at midnight, so I won't see the fourth and fifth episodes until I next get a month of HBO, probably this fall sometime.
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FWIW, a direct quote from Craig Mazin, the creator/writer/showrunner, on the latest podcast episode: "The last thing I wanted to do is scare people about nuclear power. This is not a polemic about nuclear power." And they are now starting to dig into what caused the accident.

But my HBO GO subscription just expired at midnight, so I won't see the fourth and fifth episodes until I next get a month of HBO, probably this fall sometime.
Spoiler alert, then: https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/public...ub913e_web.pdf
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Episode 3: Don't Fuck With Soviet Miners
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Really like the show. I had no idea that it could have been much worse. Jared Harris graduated from Duke which is just down the road from me. They don't have much of a drama program , a lot of tech majors there.
I imagine Jared got his introduction to acting through being the son of Richard Harris.
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I'm keeping my HBO subscription a while longer (after GOT) just for this. To be honest, I didn't know a whole lot about it. It's fascinating to see how huge and horrific it was. I just can't imagine having to dig up the surface dirt for however many square kilometers and killing every living thing there. And they needed 750,000 men to do it. Jesus.
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I imagine Jared got his introduction to acting through being the son of Richard Harris.
I kept thinking he looked familiar and wondered where I knew him from, but good lord, looking at his IMDb page now, where DON'T I know him from? Thinking back to the movies and tv shows he's been in that I've seen, I remember his character from at least several dozen of them.

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I imagine Jared got his introduction to acting through being the son of Richard Harris.
Ha, wow. Jared's been in a lot of stuff I've watched in the past few years, and it never occurred to me that he was Richard's son! He's knocking this role out the park, and to be fair so are all of the main cast.
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Jesus, this episode was grisly! Those scenes in the hospital with the burn victims were pretty hard to watch. So correct me if I'm wrong but those two guys were a firefighter and a control room technician, right - and the firefighter was burned by the irradiated graphite (?) in the immediate aftermath of the explosion, and the control room guy was burned...when he went to inspect the reactor? Am I getting that right?
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Jesus, this episode was grisly! Those scenes in the hospital with the burn victims were pretty hard to watch. So correct me if I'm wrong but those two guys were a firefighter and a control room technician, right - and the firefighter was burned by the irradiated graphite (?) in the immediate aftermath of the explosion, and the control room guy was burned...when he went to inspect the reactor? Am I getting that right?
The firefighter was burned by the graphite and all the other bits of the reactor that he and the other firefighters were standing amongst while they were battling the raging inferno. Also by the radioactive ash spewing out of the reactor as well as by the exposed reactor itself. Note that his body was placed in a lead-lined casket, which was then entombed in concrete, alongside his fellow firefighters.
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Wasn't everyone in the control room massively irradiated, even if they didn't go check on anything?
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