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Old 06-01-2019, 06:46 PM
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So congrats. You have managed to show that this song, with totally different lyrics before it became a hit, had lyrics that were solidly suggestive. I concur, those lyrics are pretty obvious. How does that make the hit version, with different lyrics, sung by a different group- a song with bad taste?
The people who wrote the hit version, and the people who sang it, all acknowledge that the song was about prostitution. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter to me any more.

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Before he left the island Mr. Amsterdam claims to have written 105 verses, all slightly off-color, all based on the same theme. Here's an example:

"From Chica-chi-carry to Mona's Isle
Native girls all dance and smile.
They wear grass skirts, but that's okay -
Yankee like to "hit the hay".

The soldiers loved this sort of thing so much that Morey kept singing the song throughout the rest of the tour - in Aruba, Curaçao, and other islands. He used the same formula and simply changed the place names as he went along.
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The rhythm was what attracted the Andrews Sisters to 'Rum and Coca-Cola'. We never thought of the lyric. The lyric was there, it was cute, but we didn't think of what it meant; but at that time, nobody else would think of it either, because we weren't as morally open as we are today and so, a lot of stuff—really, no excuses—just went over our heads.
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Maybe I'm still naive, but I took the line "two girls for every boy" to mean that it would be a fun place to hang out because as a boy/young man, you would have an excellent chance of picking up a date because of the availability.......not that there were threesomes happening everywhere.
Exactly.

On some TV crime show, a guy was describing the appeal of a certain gay bar: It had two guys for every guy.
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Maybe I should write a remake / parody about this place where the implications of that ratio is as tasteless as it sounds to some.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Extreme's "More Than Words" is not appropriate for weddings either. It's a dude telling his girlfriend that she's history unless she has sex with him.
Wow, you and I have very different interpretations of that song. I don't think he's giving a sex ultimatum, and I don't think it's in poor taste at all. But I do agree it might be in poor taste to play at a wedding, since the guy is clearly dissatisfied with his relationship.
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:52 PM
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Maybe I'm still naive, but I took the line "two girls for every boy" to mean that it would be a fun place to hang out because as a boy/young man, you would have an excellent chance of picking up a date because of the availability.......not that there were threesomes happening everywhere.
There's no other reasonable interpretation of this.
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Maybe I'm still naive, but I took the line "two girls for every boy" to mean that it would be a fun place to hang out because as a boy/young man, you would have an excellent chance of picking up a date because of the availability.......not that there were threesomes happening everywhere.
My interpretation exactly.
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Old 06-02-2019, 03:29 AM
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Exactly.

On some TV crime show, a guy was describing the appeal of a certain gay bar: It had two guys for every guy.
That was Lenny Briscoe on Law & Order: " Two boys for every... boy."

I recently picked up a "ZZ Top Greatest Hits" album. They kind of peaked in the 1970s and I was reminded why they never appeared on the Mike Douglas Show:

LaGrange (a legendary Texas brothel)
Pearl Necklace (Porn term that goes way back, apparently)
Tube Steak Boogie ("Nuff said)
Tush (Ditto)
And many more!

"We're a American Band" by Grand Funk Railroad. "Sweet sweet Connie performed her act/Before the whole show and tht's a natural fact." The video is a total sausage fest, four dudes hanging around without their shirts, a lot. They sing about banging every groupie on the road, but no girls are in view.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Extreme's "More Than Words" is not appropriate for weddings either. It's a dude telling his girlfriend that she's history unless she has sex with him.
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Wow, you and I have very different interpretations of that song. I don't think he's giving a sex ultimatum, and I don't think it's in poor taste at all. But I do agree it might be in poor taste to play at a wedding, since the guy is clearly dissatisfied with his relationship.

Nope, neither. No demand for sex, no statement of dissatisfaction. It's a statement that people need to demonstrate love by doing more than just saying the words.

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The song is a ballad in which the singer wants his lover to do more to prove her love other than saying the phrase "I love you." Bettencourt described it as a warning that the phrase was becoming meaningless: "People use it so easily and so lightly that they think you can say that and fix everything, or you can say that and everything's OK. Sometimes you have to do more and you have to show it—there's other ways to say 'I love you.'"[cite]
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That was Lenny Briscoe on Law & Order: " Two boys for every... boy."
It sounds like him, but I wasn't sure.
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What about the Rolling Stones' "Stray Cat Blues?"

"I can see that you're fifteen years old/
No I don't want your I.D."

Then it has an invitation for a menage a trois at the end.

Best jailbait song ever.

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My interpretation exactly.
I agree with both of you.
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There are also songs about being beaten up by your cheating man, like My Man by Billie Holliday.
On the flip side of the drama, there's also My Wife by The Who:

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Murdered in cold blood is what I'm gonna be
I ain't been home since Friday night
And now my wife is coming after me
But it loses some of its impact because of the over the top humor in the song.
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:28 PM
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The people who wrote the hit version, and the people who sang it, all acknowledge that the song was about prostitution. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter to me any more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_and_Coca-Cola
The Andrews Sisters also seem to have given little thought to the meaning of the lyrics.[4] According to Patty Andrews, "We had a recording date, and the song was brought to us the night before the recording date. We hardly really knew it, and when we went in we had some extra time and we just threw it in, and that was the miracle of it. It was actually a faked arrangement. There was no written background, so we just kind of faked it."[5] In under ten minutes they made a record that sold seven million units and sat at number one on the Billboard magazine chart for seven weeks.[5][1] Maxine Andrews recalled, "The rhythm was what attracted the Andrews Sisters to 'Rum and Coca-Cola'. We never thought of the lyric. The lyric was there, it was cute, but we didn't think of what it meant; but at that time, nobody else would think of it either, because we weren't as morally open as we are today and so, a lot of stuff—really, no excuses—just went over our heads."

So, you mean AFTER they had a hit song, they were told of the suggestive nature and were aware AFTERWARDS.
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Old 06-02-2019, 05:00 PM
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So, you mean AFTER they had a hit song, they were told of the suggestive nature and were aware AFTERWARDS.
Yes, exactly that. They were unaware in a late recording session with no time spent with the lyrics. Again, believe it or not, not my problem.
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Yes, exactly that. They were unaware in a late recording session with no time spent with the lyrics. Again, believe it or not, not my problem.
He doesn't argue for a reason, he just argues.

I linked to the wikipedia article to prove my point, he goes and quotes the same article to disprove it. Whatevs.
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Pearl Necklace (Porn term that goes way back, apparently)

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"We're a American Band" by Grand Funk Railroad. "Sweet sweet Connie performed her act/Before the whole show and tht's a natural fact." The video is a total sausage fest, four dudes hanging around without their shirts, a lot. They sing about banging every groupie on the road, but no girls are in view.
One of my college roommates said that when she was a tween, she and her friends on a basketball team liked that song, "Pearl Necklace", and that's what they named the team, not having a clue what the song was really about. She later borrowed (ahem) a can of spray paint out of the garage and spray-painted that phrase on a retaining wall. Her dad drove by a couple days later and knew she had done it, because it was her handwriting and the paint was a very distinctive color.

In recent years, I saw a show on IIRC VH-1 about the old-time groupies, and Sweet Connie (whose day job was schoolteacher!) said, "I blew all the guys in Grand Funk except for Mark Farner, and he later became a Christian."

Here's the "sausage fest" video. Those ATVs look like disasters waiting to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwsgznR_T-g
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He doesn't argue for a reason, he just argues.

I linked to the wikipedia article to prove my point, he goes and quotes the same article to disprove it. Whatevs.
You were trying to prove that the singers of the hit were aware and intended the double meaning, and indeed they were not when they were recording it and performing it. So, they did not intend a double meaning.

I have no doubt that the song had a (not very) hidden meaning in it's earlier incarnation. But the new lyrics and new performers had no such meaning. So the hit song Rum & Coca Cola, as performed by the Andrews sisters, the version we are talking about had no such hidden meaning.






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I have no doubt that the song had a (not very) hidden meaning in it's earlier incarnation. But the new lyrics and new performers had no such meaning. So the hit song Rum & Coca Cola, as performed by the Andrews sisters, the version we are talking about had no such hidden meaning.
The song writer (actually plagiarizer, but same difference) had the meaning firmly in mind. The fact that the singers missed that meaning at first is not really relevant. I'm done here.
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does every song written by the sex pistols count?
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The J. Geils’ Band “Centerfold.”

You were too shy to talk to her in high school and now that you’ve seen her as a centerfold, you think she’ll want to have sex with you. It doesn’t normally work that way dude.
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does every song written by the sex pistols count?
Honestly, not that I can think of. Musically they may not be your cup of tea, but lyrically, I don't find many (if any) of their songs in bad taste. (And how many of them were "hits," anyway?)

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The J. Geils’ Band “Centerfold.”

You were too shy to talk to her in high school and now that you’ve seen her as a centerfold, you think she’ll want to have sex with you. It doesn’t normally work that way dude.
Uh...he's the frontman of a beloved rock band with a chart-topping song, I'm thinking the odds are in his favor.
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Uh...he's the frontman of a beloved rock band with a chart-topping song, I'm thinking the odds are in his favor.
Just like songs about murder, I don’t think of them as sung from the perspective of the lead singer of a band.
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Filter - Hey man, Nice shot

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No one's brought up Into the Night by Benny Mardone?


The very first clearly sung words are: "She's just sixteen years old, leave her alone, they said..." Ewww!


"I'd take you into the night, and show you a love like you've never seen before."



"Yeah, Mister Mardone. Because I'm a child!"
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What about the Rolling Stones' "Stray Cat Blues?"

"I can see that you're fifteen years old/
No I don't want your I.D."

Then it has an invitation for a menage a trois at the end.

Best jailbait song ever.
Worse yet, Jagger sang “thirteen years old” in the live version (on Get Yer Ya-yas Out), recorded in Nov. 1969).
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D.O.A. by a band called "Bloodrock".
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D.O.A. by a band called "Bloodrock".
Mentioned in post #113.
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Just FYI, NOT to be pedantic, the song's actual title is "Last Kiss"
I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification.
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does every song written by the sex pistols count?
Not if only US hits are considered. While it reached No. 2 in the UK, "God Save the Queen" gained only notoriety, not popularity, in the US. I remember it (along with the rest of the London Punk movement) being introduced to us Yanks by the NBC news magazine show, "Weekend".

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Good morning little schoolgirl
Good morning little schoolgirl
Can I go home with you
Can I go home with you
Tell your mama and your papa
I once was a schoolboy too.

"Good Morning Little Schoolgirl." Written (I think) by Willie Dixon. Covered by many. My favorite version is by Muddy Waters.
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Once we get into the realm of punk, bad taste is almost required. Of course, mostly, those songs didn't turn into hits.

Here's a golden oldie by a local band, Ism: John Hinckley Jr., What Has Jodie Done To You
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Well, that's pretty easily fixed in this really modern world, what with the internet and whatnot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqDu5LBT8_Y

Pretty catchy. Honestly, no small portion of song lyrics are complete shit. If the music has merit and/or the voice singing them sounds good, then the content of the lyrics doesn't seem to matter.
"Timothy" is too damn catchy. I agree with the critique you provided, but the frikkin' song is still stuck in head, decades later, anyway. I think I can even recall all the lyrics. ugh.
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I heard this song on top 40 countdown over the weekend. Apparently it was #29 on the Charts on 5/27/72

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When he got tired of dancing alone, he'd look in the mirror,
"Gotta find a woman, gotta find a woman, gotta find a woman, gotta find a woman".
He'd go down to the lake where all the women would be swimming or washing clothes or something.
He'd look around and just reach in and grab one.
"Come here...come here".
He'd grab her by the hair.
You can't do that today, fellas, 'cause it might come off.
You'd have a piece of hair in your hand and she'd be swimming away from you (Ha, ha)
Maybe it was the origin of this line

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I heard this song on top 40 countdown over the weekend. Apparently it was #29 on the Charts on 5/27/72

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Maybe it was the origin of this line
Oh lord, another song that plays in my head whenever it gets mentioned. It did introduce us to Bertha Butt, however.

But no, "sock it to me" predated that song, having been popularized on Rowen and Martin's Laugh-in, in the 1960's. Seeing Nixon appear on the show during the campaign and say that phrase with a straight face was mind blowing.
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Has anyone heard of the dying teenager songs of the late 50s - early 60s? The one best remembered is Tell Laura I Love Her, but there was also a semi-parody of the genre (full of safe driving tips) called Transfusion that had its own priceless lines and sound effects.

I'm-a never never gonna speed again
Slip the blood to me, bud

It hit #13 on the Billboard charts, despite many radio stations refusing to play it. One DJ who did like it was Barry Hansen, later known as Dr. Demento.

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The old-timey classic “Little Sadie” could be called a murder ballad, I guess, but the protagonist doesn’t seem to have ANY rationale for the killing...he just guns her down cold.

Went out one night to make a little round
I met little Sadie and I shot her down
Went back home, jumped into bed
.44 smokeless under my head...
I never before realized how similar these lyrics are to the Kingston Trio song "Bad Man Blunder":

Well early one evenin' I was rolling around
I was feelin' kinda mean I shot a deputy down,
Strolled along home and I went to bed
Well I laid my pistol up under my head


The melodies, however, are completely different. Link. The song by the Trio is a light, folksy tune, and the lyrics are humorous.
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Not if only US hits are considered. While it reached No. 2 in the UK, "God Save the Queen" gained only notoriety, not popularity, in the US. I remember it (along with the rest of the London Punk movement) being introduced to us Yanks by the NBC news magazine show, "Weekend".
But what's in "bad taste" about that song? It's rebellious, but nothing I would call "bad taste." It's critical, it's pointed, it's sarcastic, but "bad taste?" Come on.
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Maybe I'm still naive, but I took the line "two girls for every boy" to mean that it would be a fun place to hang out because as a boy/young man, you would have an excellent chance of picking up a date because of the availability.......not that there were threesomes happening everywhere.
Yeah, really, that is so obvious. I'm more shocked that anyone would be shocked. Even 50 years later.




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Worse yet, Jagger sang “thirteen years old” in the live version (on Get Yer Ya-yas Out), recorded in Nov. 1969).
Ah, the golden era of rock star lifestyles, yes... the reason many a guitar or drumkit was bought and practiced on
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In the early 1990s, The La's had a college hit with a song called "There She Goes", which is often interpreted as being about heroin. A decade later, it was covered by (and was a hit for) Sixpence None The Richer. Hmmmmm.

As teenagers, my friends and I sang "Surf City" as "...two guys for every girl....." for the same reason the Beach Boys most likely did.

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A lot of people think that the song, "Short People" is offensive, although it was never intended to be about what most people thought it was about. I recently watched a video in which the hosts trashed the song because they thought that the lyrics were meant to be literal. Unfortunately, too many people have either forgotten about or never learned about things like satire and irony : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfyS-S-IJs
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But what's in "bad taste" about that song? It's rebellious, but nothing I would call "bad taste." It's critical, it's pointed, it's sarcastic, but "bad taste?" Come on.
How about this charming ditty, then?

"Belsen was a gas I heard the other day
In the open graves where the Jews all lay"


I'm not sure if that was a hit.
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The word in Rum and Coca Cola is clearly "workin'", not "singin'".

BTW, the song was the subject of a copyright lawsuit. Morey Amsterdam had claimed copyright in the U.S., but the song was originally written by Lionel Belasco and the calypso singer Lord Invader (real name Rupert Westmore Grant). The original was even more clearly about prostitution. You can hear it here.
Just now, really listening to it for the first time, I realize it isn't about a Cuba Libre cocktail. The two drinks rum and Coca-Cola are symbolic for the two nations of the song. The song is about the impact of an influx of American servicemen on local society.
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Dave Matthews Band - Crash Into Me

I refer to it as "The Creepy Stalker Song". The whole thing is sung from the perspective of a Peeping Tom, looking at a girl through the window as she is undressing, and fantasizing about her. It doubles my irritation with it when I then get it stuck in my head for days because it is also catchy.

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How about this charming ditty, then?

"Belsen was a gas I heard the other day
In the open graves where the Jews all lay"


I'm not sure if that was a hit.
Bodies is also quite charming and cozy.
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Bodies is also quite charming and cozy.
Yeah, that's the one that popped into my mind as a counter example after I wrote my post but, again, not a hit and hardly "every song written by the Sex Pistols."

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Wynona's Big Brown Beaver, by Primus, reached number 12 on Billboard's alternative rock chart. Does that count as a hit?
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Though Is doesn't bother me (heck, I quite like it), I've heard many people express distaste of The Toadies' Possum Kingdom. Sure it's dark, but I wouldn't say tasteless.
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Almost everything on Bloodhound Gang's "One Fierce Beer Coaster" is in bad taste.

Kiss Me Where it Smells Funny and Lift Your Head up High (and blow your brains out) spring to mind.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=...QnjyPqgzN8kyQV

Catchy as hell, but i wouldn't want to have it playing with my mother in the car.
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Neil Sedanka's "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen"

But since you've grown up
Your future is sewn up
From now on you're gonna be mine.
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