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Old 09-24-2018, 03:59 PM
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Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious"

Yeah, we all already know about the paper towel tube thing. But at least his argument was that rape wasn't possible, not that it wasn't bad. This is far worse.

But now he's flat out said that what Ford alleged Kavinaugh did was "not that bad." Not, "it would be bad but it didn't happen." Not even "it's bad but she shouldn't have been so drunk." No, full on saying that attempted rape is not a big deal. I quote the relevant section: click the arrow to see the full post with the other rape apologia.

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Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that I don't think what she alleges to have happened to her is all that serious. During the days of my own youth such occurrences during drunken parties was fairly commonplace, and the reaction of the girls involved was usually that the guy was just a drunken asshole and then they forgot about it.
And, yes, I do read that weird use of passive voice about "in his own youth" to possibly be implying something much worse.

What I want to say can't be said here. I am at that point where I am so angry that I'm actually tearing up--and I've never been a victim. Instead, I make this thread because I notice that people are struggling to contain themselves responding in GD.
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:13 PM
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Of course he does. If this is surprises you, it's because you weren't paying attention to his posts.
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:15 PM
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:16 PM
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I don't get him. It's like he's trying to say, "Oh, it doesn't count since it was so long ago." In my youth, drunken HS and college parties happened. In that time people may have suddenly kissed a girl or groped one and it wasn't called sexual harassment then, but it is and has always been sexual harassment.

And I can remember one incident where a ball player in HS urged his teammate to actually have sex with his own girlfriend. As in a threesome. The girlfriend was not willing or at all happy about it. She soon dumped him after this incident. This was around 1988. My friends and I were at this party and plenty of people voiced their disgust, yelled at each other and fights broke out between people over this. Some wanted to quit the team and others wanted the two guys thrown off the team. Why? Because it was sexual harassment then and it is sexual harassment now.

SA doesn't get this.
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:21 PM
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When he pines for the civility of the good old days, he’s talking about when darkies knew their place and you could rape women without them making a fuss. He’s a piece of shit.
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Oh, that asshole. He's a fucking idiot. Most posters here have something they can usefully contribute somewhere; he's utterly worthless as a poster and a human being.
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:54 PM
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So he mounted his winged dragon and swooped in to scorch the heels of the big bad screeching harpies who want to take away all the fun. After all, it’s always been like this and none of the sweet and pretty girls minded. They just snapped their fingers and their aggressor and said “You bad boy! You shan’t be invited to my next tea party. Silly ol’ thing.” Them there liberated wimmen is all ugly and jealous anyway, amiright?

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He has both argued that sexual assault is and was super rare, and also that back in the day it happened all the time and women just knew how to deal with it so it wasn't a big deal.

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Oh, that asshole. He's a fucking idiot. Most posters here have something they can usefully contribute somewhere; he's utterly worthless as a poster and a human being.
We have several of those, but most of them don't communicate their idiocy and worthlessness in long-form essay format.
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:21 PM
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He doesn't think it's a big deal and yet he wants us to let him walk us to our cars at night. I think I'll pass.
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:43 PM
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When he pines for the civility of the good old days, he’s talking about when darkies knew their place and you could rape women without them making a fuss. He’s a piece of shit.
100% this. He should have been banned a long time ago. He adds nothing of value to the board. He's fucking garbage who gets off on all the attention and outrage his posts generate. The best thing we can do is deny him that.
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:43 PM
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The crazy thing is that he has apparently retained West Virginia's dumbest lawyer to defend the statement quoted in the OP.

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Right. In 1982, that was called "trying to get laid." In 2018 it is sexual assault. I'm not endorsing it, but in the interests of having an open conversation on a message board, let's not just attack people and debate the merits.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:06 PM
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The crazy thing is that he has apparently retained West Virginia's dumbest lawyer to defend the statement quoted in the OP.
That quote, man. That quote. I honestly did not expect I'd see such passionate defense of rape on this board.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:13 PM
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He doesn't think it's a big deal and yet he wants us to let him walk us to our cars at night.
Well see, that's necessary protection from actual criminals, i.e., strangers in parking lots and dark alleys, etc. When those people commit sexual assault, it's wrong and criminal (unless you were drunk off your ass in a sexy dress and therefore putting yourself in harm's way and deserving of some of the responsibility blah blah blah).

When men commit sexual assault against women they know personally, on the other hand, it's not morally wrong or deserving of criminal proceedings. It's just the way life is and how men naturally behave, and the guy may be kind of an asshole or perhaps just got carried away but you're not supposed to get all outraged about it.

(Although of course you yourself will still get blamed if you were drunk off your ass in a sexy dress or doing anything else "irresponsible", including being in the company of guys who are "known to become sexually aggressive" on ingesting alcohol. It's not their fault that they become sexually aggressive, mind you---that's just boys being boys---but it's still your fault that you didn't avoid them.)
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I have two words to say about this hysterical, exaggerated nonsense:

Bill Clinton!

You people have no room...and by no room, I mean ZERO room...to talk!

This is all 100% politically motivated. Ford was not harmed. Whatever groping happened, happened over her clothes. There was no skin-on-skin contact and she was able to get away fairly easily. None of this is true of Bill Clinton if we're to go by the same type of evidence. So where was your outraged screeching then? Hmm?

Further, impassioned, wrongheaded Democrats all over this country have striven continually to get rapists, wife-beaters and murderers,- especially if they're from gangs, the worst source of this kind of behavior - released from prison as early as possible, if not off altogether on technicalities. And of course many of these have gone on to commit more actual rapes and more actual murders, and thereby do more actual harm.

So give me a friggin' break with your self-righteous howling over this relatively minor incident that very well may not have actually happened. You people actually need someone like me around here to at least try to keep your feet on the ground, your heads out of the clouds, and to at least try to advance the concept of proportionality.

And someone please get that overwrought, inexplicably self-impressed nitwit, BigT, a Kleenex!

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Old 09-24-2018, 07:24 PM
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:26 PM
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So there's his first lame attempt to re-direct things. Didn't work for me; I'm still focused on the fact that Starving Artist thinks attempted rape isn't a big deal.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:30 PM
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Shrug, he’s a piece of shit. He flat out admits that back in his youth he and his friends would try to rape women and it wasn’t a big deal. He throws in some weird shit about American Indians holding him at knife point and how he turned out fine (as if) and then he breaks out Clinton.
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I love how he gets to decide for the poor wimmin what we should be upset by.

Thank god we have him to tell me that the guy who fondled me when I was 12 didn’t really upset me. It’s just the Democrats back in 1980 told me I was upset. Silly me!

What a horrible person.

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I have two words to say about this hysterical, exaggerated nonsense:

Bill Clinton!

You people have no room...and by no room, I mean ZERO room...to talk!

This is all 100% politically motivated. Ford was not harmed. Whatever groping happened, happened over her clothes. There was no skin-on-skin contact and she was able to get away fairly easily. None of this is true of Bill Clinton if we're to go by the same type of evidence. So where was your outraged screeching then? Hmm?

Further, impassioned, wrongheaded Democrats all over this country have striven continually to get rapists, wife-beaters and murderers,- especially if they're from gangs, the worst source of this kind of behavior - released from prison as early as possible, if not off altogether on technicalities. And of course many of these have gone on to commit more actual rapes and more actual murders, and thereby do more actual harm.

So give me a friggin' break with your self-righteous howling over this relatively minor incident that very well may not have actually happened. You people actually need someone like me around here to at least try to keep your feet on the ground, your heads out of the clouds, and to at least try to advance the concept of proportionality.

And someone please get that overwrought, inexplicably self-impressed nitwit, BigT, a Kleenex!
"Well....they did it tooo!!!!!"

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Old 09-24-2018, 07:40 PM
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Yeah, we all already know about the paper towel tube thing. But at least his argument was that rape wasn't possible, not that it wasn't bad. This is far worse.

But now he's flat out said that what Ford alleged Kavinaugh did was "not that bad." Not, "it would be bad but it didn't happen." Not even "it's bad but she shouldn't have been so drunk." No, full on saying that attempted rape is not a big deal.
No, you hysterical idiot! I'm saying that this particular case of attempted rape, if it even occurred, was not that bad.

There's considerable difference between saying this case isn't that bad vs. every case of attempted rape isn't that bad.

Hopefully someone will hand you a box of tissues and enough Valium that you might possibly try to dry your eyes and calm down enough to at least recognize such distinctions exist.

Prior to my discovery of this board I used to think the hysterical nutjobbery coming from the left was just for show and that no one could really believe all that shit. It's been eye-opening to say the least to learn that yes, it's sincere, and you people really are that bad.

What's funny is that my Facebook page has been lit up the last few days with posts and lampooning images of women my age making fun of and criticizing the big deal being made over Ford's accusations. These are the same women who back in the day could have handled a drunken, overly zealous man with no problem and then gotten on with their lives like nothing happened...because basically it didn't. And they're laughing at and making fun of you!

Grow up, the lot of you!

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Old 09-24-2018, 07:45 PM
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YOU DONT GET TO DECIDE.

The victim gets to decide how bad an attempted rape is. Jesus Christ, you’re the epitome of the arrogant patronizing male.

You actually think your opinion matters more. Christ.

Why is it so fucking important to you that women be able to shake this crap off like it was no big deal? It is a big deal and always has been. The reason women shook it off was because they had little choice. We don’t have to put up with that crap anymore. So sorry that bothers you.

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Go ahead guys, give Sentient Dingleberry ten pages of oxygen. He's masturbating like a motherfucker right now.
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I love how he gets to decide for the poor wimmin what we should be upset by.

Thank god we have him to tell me that the guy who fondled me when I was 12 didn’t really upset me. It’s just the Democrats back in 1980 told me I was upset. Silly me!

What a horrible person.
I will mail you a check for $100 if you can prove I told you not to be upset at the abuse you experienced when you were 12.

I will mail you another check for $100 if you can prove I ever said I was entitled to decide for women what they should be upset by.

I'll keep my headphones handy to block out the crickets.
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YOU DONT GET TO DECIDE.

The victim gets to decide how bad an attempted rape is. Jesus Christ, you’re the epitome of the arrogant patronizing male.

You actually think your opinion matters more. Christ.
100% of this is in your imagination.

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Why is it so fucking important to you that women be able to shake this crap off like it was no big deal?
I said why in the other thread: it makes them strong and it relieves them of a lifetime spent self-identifying as a victim.

I'd be most happy if women were to DECIDE they're not going to allow themselves to buy into the victimhood dogma constantly being promoted by the left and to put the wrongs others do to them in the past where it belongs and live a happy life instead.
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I'd be most happy if women were to DECIDE they're not going to allow themselves to buy into the victimhood dogma constantly being promoted by the left and to put the wrongs others do to them in the past where it belongs and live a happy life instead.
That strategy is indistinguishable from one of simply allowing men to do what they want to women without consequence.

If that's what you mean, why didn't you just say "men should be able to do what they want to women without consequence"?

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You'd be better off if you'd shut the fuck up.
ETA Starving Artist, I mean.

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That strategy is indistinguishable from one of simply allowing men to do what they want to women without consequence.

If that's what you mean, why didn't you just say "men should be able to do what they want to women without consequence"?
Don't be an idiot. We have laws on the books for the very purpose of discouraging and punishing wrongful behavior.

Let the law take its course in the event of attempted rape or actual rape just like it does when you get robbed or stabbed or beaten. And then just like you do if you get robbed or stabbed or beaten, you let the law take its course and get on with your life, free of the stigma (hopefully anyway, I am dealing with lefties here) and psychological impact of going through the rest of your life thinking of yourself primarily as a victim!
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Don't be an idiot. We have laws on the books for the very purpose of discouraging and punishing wrongful behavior.

Let the law take its course in the event of attempted rape or actual rape just like it does when you get robbed or stabbed or beaten. And then just like you do if you get robbed or stabbed or beaten, you let the law take its course and get on with your life, free of the stigma (hopefully anyway, I am dealing with lefties here) and psychological impact of going through the rest of your life thinking of yourself primarily as a victim!
Wow; you're both tedious and stupid.
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You'd be better off if you'd shut the fuck up.
Why? What exactly have I said - in actual words as opposed to in your fevered imagination - that is so bad?

Is it that I said there are degrees of seriousness that exist regarding sexually related crimes?

Is it that I said people would be better off to put the bad things that happen to them in the past and get on with their lives free from the stigma of victimhood?

Is it that I offered $100 to someone to prove the accusations they made about me were true?

Is it that I called BigT and idiot? (oh, wait, it can't be that. Everyone calls him an idiot)

Frankly, I'm not seeing much bad here. Would you care perhaps to elucidate?
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As it pertains to issues concerning women's rights and feminism, women are always victims and men, villains. [...]

But the whinging currently going on simply because some guy flirted with or approached a woman in a way she doesn't like is going way too far (and is confused by the fact that the line of what's acceptable is fluid and often depends on the attractiveness, wealth, or status of the guy involved), and is yet one more expression of the victimhood/villainization mentality that has overtaken society the last several decades and which has so much of the country at each other's throat. [...]

[...] the claim that women had it so bad back then is largely a myth [...] there's no shortage of people eager to think of themselves as victims, so perpetuating the myth of has been pretty easy for the ideology of victimhood to pull off. [...]

To me the low-grade hassles that women have to endure because of their attractiveness are the flip side to the benefits they derive from being attractive. There are pros and cons to everything, and in my opinion attractive women would be much happier if they were to focus on and be appreciative and thankful for the good things their looks bring them and be more philosophical and accepting of the fact that along with those blessings comes a certain degree of annoyance. [...] IMO there's far too much fault-finding and whinging going on these days [...]

[...] a bunch of people who've been brainwashed by man-hating feminist dogma while eagerly swallowing victim pills for, in most cases, all their lives [...]

[...] overly sensitive liberal women who've become convinced that men are their enemy. They appear to be seeking out, almost to the point of inventing them, reasons to interpret the slightest things we say as sexist, minimizing and dehumanizing. And based upon this hyper-sensitivity and exaggerated sense of victimhood, they insist that we change our natural behavior [...]

[...] Ford may have felt shame for having put herself in the position where such an attack could occur [...]

Well you see, in those days people were both more realistic about life and they could cope with things. [...] And believe it or not, girls at the time were pretty effective at stopping things should they feel things were getting out of hand. They weren't the terrified shrinking violets that today's victimhood ideology has created. [...]

I'd be most happy if women were to DECIDE they're not going to allow themselves to buy into the victimhood dogma constantly being promoted by the left and to put the wrongs others do to them in the past where it belongs and live a happy life instead.
See, although Starving Artist is indeed constantly complaining that women's objections to sexual assault and harassment are just "victimhood dogma" and useless "whinging", he never told IvoryTowerDenizen specifically not to be upset about that particular instance of sexual assault, so in his mind he's off the hook.

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Starving Artist has never struck me as that type. He gets genuinely angry in these threads, not gleeful. It clearly causes him distress.

But, even if it didn't, why the fuck should that matter? Should I have just ignored him when he practically admitted to attempting to rape women, or at least staying silent while his friends did so?

That said, I do think we shouldn't give him room to argue distractions. He's going to try and fight his way out of this. But there is no escape here. He claimed personal knowledge that attempted rapes were going on at parties when he was a "youth."

The subject of this thread is how he does not think attempted rape is all that bad a thing. The only arguments I want to see from him are him struggling to paper towel his way out of it.

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See, although Starving Artist is indeed constantly complaining that women's objections to sexual assault and harassment are just "victimhood dogma" and useless "whinging", he never told IvoryTowerDenizen specifically not to be upset about that particular instance of sexual assault, so in his mind he's off the hook.
No, actually I think I'm off the hook for the very reason that I didn't say what she claimed I said.

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I'd be most happy if women were to DECIDE they're not going to allow themselves to buy into the victimhood dogma constantly being promoted by the left and to put the wrongs others do to them in the past where it belongs and live a happy life instead.
Isn’t this what the Kavanaugh women did? They put it behind them and moved on to a happy life.

And it was only when he was up for a public position that demands high moral character, that they stood up, instead of buying into the victim hood mentality that says that they have no reason to talk.

These women are not behaving like victims. Far from it. What bothers you appears to be their authority, and their exercise of the power their authority brings.
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[...] I didn't say what she claimed I said.
As you'll see from the above quote, I'm not at all disagreeing with you on this level of very literal interpretation.

Whether or not your repeated remarks about alleged "victimhood" as sampled in my previous post convey an overall message of arrogantly telling women not to get upset about abuse in general is something we probably would disagree on, though.

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So, how would you like it if someone tried to rape you? You ARE aware that it also happens to men, aren't you?
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The subject of this thread is how he does not think attempted rape is all that bad a thing.
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As it pertains to issues concerning women's rights and feminism, women are always victims and men, villains. [...]

But the whinging currently going on simply because some guy flirted with or approached a woman in a way she doesn't like is going way too far (and is confused by the fact that the line of what's acceptable is fluid and often depends on the attractiveness, wealth, or status of the guy involved), and is yet one more expression of the victimhood/villainization mentality that has overtaken society the last several decades and which has so much of the country at each other's throat. [...]

[...] the claim that women had it so bad back then is largely a myth [...] there's no shortage of people eager to think of themselves as victims, so perpetuating the myth of has been pretty easy for the ideology of victimhood to pull off. [...]

To me the low-grade hassles that women have to endure because of their attractiveness are the flip side to the benefits they derive from being attractive. There are pros and cons to everything, and in my opinion attractive women would be much happier if they were to focus on and be appreciative and thankful for the good things their looks bring them and be more philosophical and accepting of the fact that along with those blessings comes a certain degree of annoyance. [...] IMO there's far too much fault-finding and whinging going on these days [...]

[...] a bunch of people who've been brainwashed by man-hating feminist dogma while eagerly swallowing victim pills for, in most cases, all their lives [...]

[...] overly sensitive liberal women who've become convinced that men are their enemy. They appear to be seeking out, almost to the point of inventing them, reasons to interpret the slightest things we say as sexist, minimizing and dehumanizing. And based upon this hyper-sensitivity and exaggerated sense of victimhood, they insist that we change our natural behavior [...]

[...] Ford may have felt shame for having put herself in the position where such an attack could occur [...]

Well you see, in those days people were both more realistic about life and they could cope with things. [...] And believe it or not, girls at the time were pretty effective at stopping things should they feel things were getting out of hand. They weren't the terrified shrinking violets that today's victimhood ideology has created. [...]

I'd be most happy if women were to DECIDE they're not going to allow themselves to buy into the victimhood dogma constantly being promoted by the left and to put the wrongs others do to them in the past where it belongs and live a happy life instead.
Sorry, but I have to ask...don't you ever get tired of typing "[...]"?
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I have to go now because as I said in the other thread before this one popped up, I got chit to do, and you've derailed me long enough. I'm afraid you'll have to call yourselves congenitally dishonest idiots for the rest of the night.
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Oh, and one more thing...Bill Clinton!

You know. Much worse than Kavanaugh. Sober use of force. Rape to orgasm. Brutal, brusing kiss? Put some ice on that? Bimbo eruptions?

Remarks? Reasons for the left's silence? Bueller? Anyone?

I'm still hearing crickets!

Or is all this pro-feminist outrage merely politics?

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I will mail you a check for $100 if you can prove I told you not to be upset at the abuse you experienced when you were 12.

I will mail you another check for $100 if you can prove I ever said I was entitled to decide for women what they should be upset by.

I'll keep my headphones handy to block out the crickets.
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Or is all this pro-feminist outrage merely politics?
Take your hundred bucks, roll it up into a cylinder, and shove it up your proud little rapey dickhole you fucking pervert.
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