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Old 01-20-2020, 05:58 PM
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Late comer: The Expanse is the best sci-fi series ever made.


Okay, I know I'm late to the party. I tried this show when it first aired and just wasn't feeling it. A few weeks ago, I decided to give it another go.

I finished the latest episode today. Man what a great show! Love the writing and the "science" in the show feels as close to realistic as I've ever seen. It makes me wonder how many aeronautics engineers they have consulting with them on this show.

Anyway, can't wait for season 5!
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We just started watching it, on EP 4 of Season 2.
I really like it, and appreciate how the author must have read a lot of Niven as a kid.
I think the production values are pretty high, and the acting is B or better, but there are some serious science flaws, even as they try to be accurate.
I also think that there are some plot points that never got addressed (maybe they were in the books) - e.g. - Why was the Scopuli set up as a trap, and why did the stealth ships destroy the Canterbury?
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I really like it, and appreciate how the author must have read a lot of Niven as a kid.
The author is two guys.
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there are some serious science flaws, even as they try to be accurate.
Yes--let's say the science rises to the level of three-quarter-assed instead of the normal half-assed or less for the vast majority of TV/movie SF.
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I loved the first few books. Cibola Burn though is a plodding labor so far (up to chapter 40). I guess it doesn't help that I'm audio-booking it and the guy has some kind of reading disorder and doesn't know names.
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I loved the first few books. Cibola Burn though is a plodding labor so far
The next one is even duller IMHO.
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Okay, I am hooked. Where is it showing? My Mexican Netflix doesn't have it.

Thanks.
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We just started watching it, on EP 4 of Season 2.
I really like it, and appreciate how the author must have read a lot of Niven as a kid.
I think the production values are pretty high, and the acting is B or better, but there are some serious science flaws, even as they try to be accurate.
I also think that there are some plot points that never got addressed (maybe they were in the books) - e.g. - Why was the Scopuli set up as a trap, and why did the stealth ships destroy the Canterbury?
Photogen was trying to spark a war between Earth and Mars by making it look like the Martians ambushed the UN registered Canterbury. (The OPA Scopuli was Mars-built and used a Martian distress signal). This was intended to distract Mars and Earth from what Protogen were up to on Eros.
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Okay, I am hooked. Where is it showing? My Mexican Netflix doesn't have it.

Thanks.
Exclusively on Amazon Prime.
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:31 PM
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Thanks Grrr!.

I hate that word exclusively. Especially when I am not a member.

But maybe I should trade in Netflix for the Prime?
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Isn't "Mexican Netflix" a sex act?
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It is a great show. I would have to rank it among the best SF TV shows ever.
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"Mexican Netflix and chili"
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Thanks Grrr!.

I hate that word exclusively. Especially when I am not a member....
I hear you. But in this case, the show was canceled by SyFy after season 3, and would have ended there if Amazon hadn't stepped in and saved it.

As for it being the best sci-fi TV series ever... Only if we disqualify Firefly as being space opera rather than sci-fi. IMHO.

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Apparently somewhere along the way, engines started making sound in space. They do in Season 4, but I thought for sure they didn’t earlier in the series. This bugs me since they used to get it right!
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OP is entirely correct. Enough said.
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Apparently somewhere along the way, engines started making sound in space. They do in Season 4, but I thought for sure they didn’t earlier in the series. This bugs me since they used to get it right!
The other thing that irritated me was how at one point (in 3rd season, I think) they started panning over the spaceship in such a way as to make it look like it's decelerating with the thrusters pointed and firing in the opposite direction.
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BTW, for everyone who enjoys this show-
I think that the short-lived “Dark Matters” is as good or better.
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Speaking of others shows that might possibly be as enjoyable, I DO NOT recommend the YouTube "ORIGIN" series. Feel free to give it a wide birth.
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BTW, for everyone who enjoys this show-
I think that the short-lived “Dark Matters” is as good or better.
You probably don't mean Dark Matters. Dark Matter ran for 3 seasons.
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You probably don't mean Dark Matters. Dark Matter ran for 3 seasons.
Yes.
I could never remember if it was singular or plural.
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The next one is even duller IMHO.
Huh, I'm completely opposite of you on this. I just finished Nemesis Games and it may be my favorite of the series (though Caliban's War is pretty damned awesome).
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Thanks Grrr!.

I hate that word exclusively. Especially when I am not a member.

But maybe I should trade in Netflix for the Prime?
I mean, the only reason the show wasn't cancelled was because Jeff Bezos personally liked it so much he had Amazon buy it and show it on prime, so I say they earned the right to keep it.
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BTW, for everyone who enjoys this show-
I think that the short-lived “Dark Matters” is as good or better.
It got cancelled on a massive cliff hanger though, kinda cruel to get people hooked on it at this point.
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BTW, for everyone who enjoys this show-
I think that the short-lived “Dark Matters” is as good or better.
I've got to disagree. Dark Matter had nowhere near the acting, storytelling, production values and epic sweep of The Expanse. To be honest, it kind of felt like a cheap 'Firefly' knockoff, with a plucky band of space criminals fighting a corrupt system.

Don't get me wrong - I liked the show well enough, but it's just not in the same league, IMO.
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Dark Matter was good, but not on the same level as the Expanse. I was still sad when it got cancelled though.
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I’ve begun watching this because of this thread. I’m 1/3 through the second season. Some reactions:
—Great production values for a TV series. It seems like there’s an unending number of physical sets and huge digital creations.
—The cold, desaturated colors are a drag. Jeez, if I was setting up colonies in space I’d make sure they had some full spectrum lights.
—The writing isn’t dumb or cringe-worthy. That’s huge. It puts the show ahead of most series and let’s me watch without swearing at the characters or creators.
—The characters and plot, unfortunately, aren’t very interesting. I’m watching to see what happens, and I generally want the featured characters to win, but nobody is fascinating or charismatic.

Overall, the lack of stupidity makes this bingeable, and it’s got some strong visuals.
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I binge-watched series 1-4 in December/early January. I found the political thriller aspect of the first two seasons pretty gripping. By season 4 it started suffering a bit from "Ensemble Cast Syndrome" where you have more and more characters competing for a fixed amount of screen time. I felt particularly bad for the actor playing Alex the pilot. I also felt a little embarrassed for David Strathairn whose job seemed to involve standing around trying not to sound too much like Jar Jar Binks.
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