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Let's talk Viagra!


Been using it for 4 or 5 years now. Generally takes about 30 minutes or so to take effect. Usually end up with minor headaches, blue tinted vision and stuffy nose for a few hours afterwards. Still worth it!

Are my experiences unique or common? Chime in if you're "up for it!"
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Interesting. So headaches are no barrier to the male when it comes to sex?
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I took it for a while, about 15 years ago, when I was first being treated for diabetes, which was causing some functionality issues.

I experienced the "blue vision" the first time or two I took it, but otherwise, I never noticed any other negative side effects.

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Interesting. So headaches are no barrier to the male when it comes to sex?
Only when it is her headache
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Sounds like a few inconveniences but not insurmountable if you want to get laid. Being female, all I have to deal with is post meno dryness and tissue thinning as made worse by chemo.

How afraid [?] are you of one of the side effects that tell you to stop using it befire something bad happens [I know that there are a few side effects can become permanent and some are a warning to stop but I can't remember offhand what they are]
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Only when it is her headache
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Sounds like a few inconveniences but not insurmountable if you want to get laid. Being female, all I have to deal with is post meno dryness and tissue thinning as made worse by chemo.

How afraid [?] are you of one of the side effects that tell you to stop using it befire something bad happens [I know that there are a few side effects can become permanent and some are a warning to stop but I can't remember offhand what they are]
Tried it some years ago, didn't like the headaches. I have two small dormant aneurysms and apparently had a teensy stroke at some point, so I am not at all tempted to try that stuff again. It's not easy for someone who had a very strong libido to give up sex entirely, but then the meds I take pretty much tamp it down anyway.
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I did not say this, you heard none of this from me.

"Someone" had tried other remedies with no success. So "Someone" went to Tijuana where just about anything is sold over the counter. (if you need a laugh, the little blue friends are sold INDIVIDUALLY) "Someone" purchased a few. They did work, but Mrs Someone got no benefit, because "Someone" gets classic migraines, and the little blue friend is a MAJOR vasodilator.

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A friend of mine said he was going on a date with Viagra. I asked him if she had a sister.
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A friend of mine said he was going on a date with Viagra. I asked him if she had a sister.
Cialis by name. I hear she likes romantic soaks in separate tubs.
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Been using for years. Never had any negative side effects. I've heard of people getting headaches, blue lights and other effects, but haven't experienced them.

Wife loves the "positive" effects of my taking it, but I don't have to use it every time. Works every time I do take it, though.

If one's "performance" isn't what it used to be, I'd strongly suggest giving it a try.
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Doesn't work at all for me, just makes me feel somewhat clammy, along with a mild headache.
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I have tried not Viagara, but a similar drug.

1.) It's ridiculously expensive. even if you consider the alternative

2.) Yes, it seems to require about half an hour to take effect

3.) I can't say I've felt any ill effects afterwards -- no headache or stuffy nose.

4.) I'm not sure if I need it or if it simply provides a semi-placebo effect against performance anxiety. I have referred to it as "my magic feather" after the plot device in Dumbo. Because I've gotten along fine without it several times since trying it. Which is good for several reasons, including #1 above.
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Generic sildeanfil (Viagra) started becoming available last year, and really drove the price down. Figure on the order of $1 a use now. So price is no longer a barrier.

I do get the mild headaches, but that’s about it. I don’t always take it, but when I do it’s very effective.
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Usually end up with minor headaches, blue tinted vision and stuffy nose for a few hours afterwards.
I assume you talked to a doctor about these? IIRC, blue tinted vision was not a desired outcome.
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Just to clarify, "Someone's" headache was not "mild." I'm talking Super Migraine, complete with red cape and red boots.

It took a long time to clean the splattered brains off the ceiling. THAT kind of headache.


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So I'm going to ask some really dumb questions........bear with me.

I'm not really sure how Viagra works. When you say you have to wait a 1/2 hour for it to take effect, what does that mean? Does the Viagra give you an erection in a 1/2 hour or does it allow/help you to get an erection during foreplay like you normally would?
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I'm not really sure how Viagra works. When you say you have to wait a 1/2 hour for it to take effect, what does that mean? Does the Viagra give you an erection in a 1/2 hour or does it allow/help you to get an erection during foreplay like you normally would?
The latter. It's not supposed to generate an erection in and of itself; the effect of the drug is to increase the possibilty for a guy to get and maintain an erection, given the usual stimulus (i.e., physical stimulation, watching naughty videos, etc.)

It typically takes 30 to 60 minutes for the drug to start doing its thing, which means that, if you have difficulty getting an erection without the drug, you're probably still going to have a problem getting an erection five minutes after you take a Viagra.

Parenthetical: my now-retired endocrinologist called Viagra the "Disneyland Pill" -- as he said, "you wait for 60 minutes for a 2-minute ride."

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The latter. It's not supposed to generate an erection in and of itself; the effect of the drug is to increase the possibilty for a guy to get and maintain an erection, given the usual stimulus (i.e., physical stimulation, watching naughty videos, etc.)

It typically takes 30 to 60 minutes for the drug to take effect, which means that, if you have difficulty getting an erection without the drug, you're probably still going to have a problem getting an erection five minutes after you take a Viagra.

Parenthetical: my now-retired endocrinologist called Viagra the "Disneyland Pill" -- as he said, "you wait for 60 minutes for a 2-minute ride."
That's what I thought but wasn't sure. Thanks!
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The latter. It's not supposed to generate an erection in and of itself; the effect of the drug is to increase the possibilty for a guy to get and maintain an erection, given the usual stimulus (i.e., physical stimulation, watching naughty videos, etc.)

It typically takes 30 to 60 minutes for the drug to start doing its thing, which means that, if you have difficulty getting an erection without the drug, you're probably still going to have a problem getting an erection five minutes after you take a Viagra.

Parenthetical: my now-retired endocrinologist called Viagra the "Disneyland Pill" -- as he said, "you wait for 60 minutes for a 2-minute ride."
Don't know why he woud call it a "2 minute ride'. A Viagra enhanced erection can last easily half an hour or more. If fact, its effect can still be felt this next morning if your SO is ready for a second round. Now if you "explode" after only 2 minutes, the erection will subside and your ride will be over, but the chemical is still in your blood stream ready to help you get another round of sex in if you wait a little while.
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Cialis by name. I hear she likes romantic soaks in separate tubs.
There's also Levitra, although it isn't used as much as the others.

Did y'all know that the launch of Cialis was delayed when some people with the surname Cialis found out about this, and sued the drug company (unsuccessfully) to have the name changed, even by one letter?

The "blue vision" side effect is not because the tablet is blue, but because it acts on the retina and dampens its ability to detect yellow. (Some drugs do the reverse.) It's nothing to worry about if it goes away, but if it doesn't, it can indicate other issues and probably should not be used.

It's been 20 years, literally, since it was launched, and it's just as controversial now as it was then.
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Nobody's mentioned their dosage? I find even one-third of a 100mg pill gives excellent effect, so this works out to only three doses per dollar if pills are a dollar each! (More, obviously, if Pfizer is still charging $50 a trick in your country.) If you can tolerate any minor side effects I'd recommend it even for those with only mild "dysfunction."

However, some advise that heart disease be a contraindication, especially since Viagra interacts fatally with nitroglycerine (and similar remedies) widely touted for cardiac ischemia, cf. the Jack Nicholson movie.

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Nobody's mentioned their dosage? I find even one-third of a 100mg pill gives excellent effect, so this works out to only three doses per dollar if pills are a dollar each! (More, obviously, if Pfizer is still charging $50 a trick in your country.) If you can tolerate any minor side effects I'd recommend it even for those with only mild "dysfunction."

However, some advise that heart disease be a contraindication, especially since Viagra interacts fatally with nitroglycerine (and similar remedies) widely touted for cardiac ischemia, cf. the Jack Nicholson movie.

I use to cut mine into quarters. And took a couple Tylenol with it to eliminate the headache.
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It's been 20 years, literally, since it was launched, and it's just as controversial now as it was then.
Meaning 'not at all'? Or am I once again oblivious to some major thing? Um...need answer fast.
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I get mine from [get roman . com]. Both GR and [for hims .com] want to rope you into automatic resupply (3 month supply at a time). I may have "misjudged" my usage a little and requested that I would need 2 20mg tablets 2 times a week when I really use around 2 a month. My goal is to build up a bit of a supply and then stop the auto payments.

I only use them later in the evening, after 9 pm my performance seems to drop, probably hormonal. I take 1 20 mg pill and my only side effect is a watery eye feeling, like you got bopped in the nose but not as strong.
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"Someone I know" found, on their doctor's advice (as a money-saving tactic first, but also to judge initial reactions), that halving a 10mg tablet is plenty, and cuts the cost in half.

Yes to the headaches, which is why "he" prefers to take them just before bedtime so "he" sleeps through the worst of the side effects.
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halving a 10mg tablet is plenty.
When has Viagra (or even the generic Sildenafil) ever come in 10 or 20mg form? The smallest I've ever heard is 50mg.
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When has Viagra (or even the generic Sildenafil) ever come in 10 or 20mg form? The smallest I've ever heard is 50mg.
The 20mg pill of Sildenafil (Ravatio) is approved for treating hypertension and is often prescribed "off label" for ED. The doc will just prescribe taking up to 4 pills as needed or something to that effect.

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When has Viagra (or even the generic Sildenafil) ever come in 10 or 20mg form? The smallest I've ever heard is 50mg.
I get the 20mg generic sildenafil and take 2.5 of them to get the standard 50mg dose. Never had the blue vision or a headache.

Cialis is more effective for me, but since sildenafil has gone generic it's dramatically cheaper. I understand Cialis is supposed to go generic this year, and it will be interesting to see if it drops as dramatically in price.
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The 20mg pill of Sildenafil (Ravatio) is approved for treating hypertension and is often prescribed "off label" for ED. The doc will just prescribe taking up to 4 pills as needed or something to that effect.
Revatio was designed for treatment of primary pulmonary hypertension, and some other rare circulatory diseases, so as to make life easier for pharmacists and other people who have to deal with insurance issues.

ED meds are not covered by Medicare or Medicaid when used for that purpose, and most private insurances have limited people to 6 doses per month.
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Meaning 'not at all'? Or am I once again oblivious to some major thing? Um...need answer fast.
How many ways is it controversial to someone, somewhere? Let me get started.

1. Viagra's discoverers won the Nobel Prize, but not for the reason most of you may think. It's because it led to increased research into the nitric oxide cycle, upon which these drugs (AKA PDE5 inhibitors) act. The NO cycle is believe to play a role in cancer, Alzheimer's, and the overall aging process.

2. Scientists are, according to many, a bunch of sexist anti-woman bigots because they figured out how men could get more and better boners, but we haven't come up with a foolproof, side-effect free birth control for men OR women. (And probably never will; sorry. Don't think we aren't working on it.) Most people would also be surprised at how many women use Viagra, etc. for their own sexual dysfunction. Really.

3. Yes, it's true, Tricare spends several million dollars a year on Viagra and other ED meds and treatments. So? Erections and pregnancy are related (doh!) BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. I also do not understand why so many women have an issue with elderly or disabled veterans being able to have sex.

I'm sure I can come up with others; these are just the first ones that come to mind.

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How many ways is it controversial to someone, somewhere? Let me get started.

1. Viagra's discoverers won the Nobel Prize, but not for the reason most of you may think. It's because it led to increased research into the nitric oxide cycle, upon which these drugs (AKA PDE5 inhibitors) act. The NO cycle is believe to play a role in cancer, Alzheimer's, and the overall aging process.

2. Scientists are, according to many, a bunch of sexist anti-woman bigots because they figured out how men could get more and better boners, but we haven't come up with a foolproof, side-effect free birth control for men OR women. (And probably never will; sorry. Don't think we aren't working on it.) Most people would also be surprised at how many women use Viagra, etc. for their own sexual dysfunction. Really.

3. Yes, it's true, Tricare spends several million dollars a year on Viagra and other ED meds and treatments. So? Erections and pregnancy are related (doh!) BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. I also do not understand why so many women have an issue with elderly or disabled veterans being able to have sex.

I'm sure I can come up with others; these are just the first ones that come to mind.
I'm sorry but these are only controversies to you.

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The latter. It's not supposed to generate an erection in and of itself; the effect of the drug is to increase the possibilty for a guy to get and maintain an erection, given the usual stimulus (i.e., physical stimulation, watching naughty videos, etc.)

It typically takes 30 to 60 minutes for the drug to start doing its thing, which means that, if you have difficulty getting an erection without the drug, you're probably still going to have a problem getting an erection five minutes after you take a Viagra.

Parenthetical: my now-retired endocrinologist called Viagra the "Disneyland Pill" -- as he said, "you wait for 60 minutes for a 2-minute ride."
When I worked at the grocery store, one of my technicians, who was probably a virgin at the time, asked me, "Why do you always put a 'Do Not Drink Alcohol' sticker on Viagra?" and I replied, "Renders it useless." She answered, "Oh, yeah."

More than once, I had guys ask me, "Can I drink with that?" and I told them that if they did, it wouldn't work. These were men in their 20s whose impotence was quite likely due to alcohol and/or drug abuse.
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I'm sorry but these are only controversies to you.
You don't know very many women, do you? LOTS of women think Viagra, etc. is an aspect of sexism.

I don't think they're controversies, but other women (and MAAAAYBE some men) certainly do. I think Viagra, etc. is a wonderful thing, for the right people when used for the right reasons (and that's as nebulous as pornography, as in I know it when I see it).

In recent weeks, I've seen oodles of pictures of women holding signs that say things like "Babies are God's will? Really? Why isn't impotence?" For many of those women, in a few decades, they will be happy that these drugs exist.

(Viagra was an accidental discovery, and so was the birth control pill. It was actually first used experimentally as a treatment for infertility.)
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p.s. Not long after Viagra was launched, the president of the college of chiropractic in my city was found dead in his house; an autopsy discovered that he had a massive heart attack. When it was reported in the newspaper that Viagra was found in his house, one of my colleagues, a middle-aged man, said, "You mean they don't have an adjustment for that?"
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You don't know very many women, do you? LOTS of women think Viagra, etc. is an aspect of sexism.

I don't think they're controversies, but other women (and MAAAAYBE some men) certainly do. I think Viagra, etc. is a wonderful thing, for the right people when used for the right reasons (and that's as nebulous as pornography, as in I know it when I see it).

In recent weeks, I've seen oodles of pictures of women holding signs that say things like "Babies are God's will? Really? Why isn't impotence?" For many of those women, in a few decades, they will be happy that these drugs exist.

(Viagra was an accidental discovery, and so was the birth control pill. It was actually first used experimentally as a treatment for infertility.)
It's not that Viagra is an aspect of sexist. It's that requiring insurance to pay for Viagra, and forbidding it to pay for birth control, is an aspect sexist.
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I'm sorry but these are only controversies to you.
Beautiful illustration of 'controversy'.

nearwildheaven: Thanks for the insights. 'They can't cure X, but they can give a guy a bone.' I have to admit that's floated through my head a few times. But I take comfort in knowing the drug was an accidental discovery, and not some scientist from the He-Man Woman Haters Club waking up one day and deciding to work on man things. Also, at least for the 'guys over 50' camp, a useful erection is at least as much for her benefit as his. You tend to care less about how it's working when your libido is dead, and it's frustrating for everyone when the stars align and it's game time but the quarterback is fast asleep on the bench. I mean, creative folks can find other stuff to do, but the 'two minutes' that didn't happen echoes in the mind for days.
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You don't know very many women, do you? LOTS of women think Viagra, etc. is an aspect of sexism.

. In recent weeks, I've seen oodles of pictures of women holding signs that say things like "Babies are God's will? Really? Why isn't impotence?"

I know plenty of women. Ive never heard a single one ever say one bad thing about Viagra. I *have* heard them say things like how grateful they were for it's existence. The *only* time i have ever heard of demographics of women speak poorly of Viagra, etc. is when older women complain about having to try to keep up with the newfound vigor and excitement of their husbands who have started taking Viagra.

Pregnancy is not a loss of function. Erectile *dysfunction*, obviously, is. But i dont really understand what your point is here. Are you saying that "oodles" of women have sex with men (thanks to those awful blue pills!!), become pregnant and then vilify the very drug that *allowed* the consensual sex to happen in the first place? Or are you talking about insurance coverage discrepancies between abortions and ED medications? Or about red states passing draconian anti abortion laws?
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I know plenty of women. Ive never heard a single one ever say one bad thing about Viagra. I *have* heard them say things like how grateful they were for it's existence. ..
Yeah, I do resent the biases in what is subsidized and taxed, but viagra, in and of itself, is a good thing, that increases net human pleasure.
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