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Old 05-16-2019, 09:09 AM
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I don't smoke pot. I tried it once in college, and didn't like it. But now that it's legal in my state, I may try it again, just out of curiosity.

But I'm a huge fan of medical cannabis, and I favor full legalization. (and even got the chance to vote for legalization, whoopie!)

Two anecdotes: A guy who worked for me developed Hodgkins disease. He smoked pot prior to his chemo, and it greatly reduced he nausea. He found out just how much it reduced it the week he neglected to smoke pot. I gather there are other drugs for that these days, but choice is good, and pot is pretty safe.

My BIL has intractable back pain. He's in pain management therapy, and takes more opioids than he'd like, and still has a lot of pain. Since medical marijuana was legalized, he's been using it. He was able to cut way back on his opoids, and gets better pain relief. My sister says he's also become a bit of a pot-head, but, she say, "it seems to make him happy", and he's doing much better at work (fewer pain-related sick days, mostly) and is generally doing okay with all the regular stuff. So it's been a net win.

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...A friend of mine, also on pain management (different doctor) tried marijuana and had much much better control of her pain. Unfortunately, her doctor added THC to the drug list for the regular screening pee test. When she tested positive for THC, the doctor flat out told her, "Choose one. Pain management opioid, or marijuana. Test positive again, I won't prescribe for you."...
What a bizarre story. The doctor sounds like a dick.


All that being said, kayaker's story rubs me the wrong way. You were wasting your doctor's time and lying to get treatment. I don't blame him for throwing you out on your ear. You obviously didn't have trouble buying on the black market. Why mess up the medical system and hurt legitimate medical users?

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The doctor who discussed these matters is not my new PCP, as her practice is currently limited to seeing patients seeking certification under PA Medical Marijuana law. Plus, she is not in my health insurance group. I guess I'll frantically search for a new PCP when my next health crises occurs.
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May I suggest you seek a PCP now, when you aren't in a crisis? Maybe even one you are compatible with?
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:26 AM
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Now I'm sure people report relief of symptoms; pot works great for making most folks feel better.
I take Amlodopine, Atenolol, and Losartan every day. I feel no effect whatsoever. I also take some cannabis every day. It makes me feel better.

As Ry Cooder sings(Sidney Bailey / J.B. Lenoir / Jim Dickinson) :

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All the money in the world is spent on feelin' good
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:37 AM
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All that being said, kayaker's story rubs me the wrong way. You were wasting your doctor's time and lying to get treatment.
I never lied. Lying is something I do not do even in situations where some people would say it was OK. As far as wasting my doctor's time, his time is what I pay for. In fact, he was pissed off at me for not paying for his time every year.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:41 AM
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May I suggest you seek a PCP now, when you aren't in a crisis? Maybe even one you are compatible with?
Heh. Yes, that would probably be a good idea, but it's not something I'm likely to do.
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And the bona fide, scientifically demonstrated effectiveness of marijuana on those diagnoses is pretty close to zero. Reports of usefulness of pot on those entities are based on anecdotes 99+% of the time.

Now I'm sure people report relief of symptoms; pot works great for making most folks feel better. Works better than alcohol, for sure. Safer, too.

And while pot does lower intra-ocular pressure, it needs to be consumed every 2 hours to do so effectively; i.e. enough to prevent actual blindness from developing due to elevated pressure. Eye drops and eye surgery are better options.

Once we study the various active components of pot, I'm sure we'll find some demonstrated uses for it. But touting it as a fix for nearly everything then making physicians complicit in approving it remains ludicrous.
Shssh. You'll harsh their mellow.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:39 AM
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But touting it as a fix for nearly everything then making physicians complicit in approving it remains ludicrous.
In Pennsylvania, physicians are not made complicit in approving it. Any physician who does certification must:
  • Demonstrate to the Department of Health by training or expertise that he or she is qualified in treating one of the ďserious medical conditionsĒ eligible for treatment with medical marijuana including: Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Autism, Cancer, Epilepsy, Glaucoma, HIV/AIDS, Parkinsonís Disease and Post-traumatic Stress Disorder
  • Successfully complete the required four hour course established by the Department of Health
  • Hold a valid, unexpired, unrevoked, unsuspended Pennsylvania license to practice medicine

A physician approved to do certification may certify a patient if all of the following conditions are met:
  • The physician has determined, based upon a patient consultation and any other factor deemed relevant by the physician, the patient has a serious medical condition and has included that condition in the patientís health care record.
  • The physician has determined the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative medical benefit from the use of medical marijuana based upon the physicianís professional opinion,
  • The physician has reviewed the Prescription Drug Monitoring Program prior to issuing or modifying a patient certification to determine the controlled substance history of the patient to determine whether the controlled substance history of the patient would impact the patientís use of medical marijuana.
  • The physician has explained the potential risks and benefits of the use of medical marijuana to the patient and has documented in the patientís health care record that the explanation has been provided and informed consent has been obtained.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:46 AM
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I never lied. Lying is something I do not do even in situations where some people would say it was OK. As far as wasting my doctor's time, his time is what I pay for. In fact, he was pissed off at me for not paying for his time every year.
Is it possible that it was more exasperation that your heart stint and missing gallbladder isn't enough to get you to visit the doctor regularly but a pot prescription gets you to come in? Because I don't know about your town but around here, doctors often have to turn away new patients. It certainly wouldn't affect their finances if a patient dropped off the radar for 5 years.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:00 PM
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Is it possible that it was more exasperation that your heart stint and missing gallbladder isn't enough to get you to visit the doctor regularly but a pot prescription gets you to come in? Because I don't know about your town but around here, doctors often have to turn away new patients. It certainly wouldn't affect their finances if a patient dropped off the radar for 5 years.
Nope. I can call and get a same day appointment here. I never mentioned the purpose of my visit until the final 5 minutes, and we were yelling at each other for an hour by that time. He was pissed off about the fact that he hasn't been able to retire, period.

He's always been a dick, but I always just played along. I do not want to out anyone, but here is a review posted online (not by me):
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My experience with this man still haunts me to this day. My visit with this man was almost 5 years ago. Rude and condescending. He told me I was uneducated because I was trying to explain to him some symptoms Iíve been having that was causing concern for me and my family. He was so mad at something before he walked in that he was yelling at me during my visit until I walked out. I only wish I would have done something at the time.
To be fair, he also gets positive reviews, but even in those people often mention his attitude:
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Iíve been going to Dr. X as my PCP for 15 plus years. I can see the how some snowflakes can melt easily in this manís presence. Once you get to know him you can really see heís not upset with the patient but with the current state of healthcare. Besides, who shows up at another manís work and tells him how to do his job besides a jackass. Donít call the doctor if you are going to diagnose yourself on webMD.
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Definitely never recommend to anyone. Dr X was agitated and angry at his staff, his computer and umpc, slightly condescending to me. He was unprofessional using the lords name in vain numerous occasions, uninformed about drugs and generally negative. He told me that his job as my pcp was basically to refer me to specialists. He said he was interested in relationships with patients but his actions showed nothing that resembled a professional, kind demeanor nor the type of temperament that should work with people. I was shocked that this type of horrible care is real.
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:09 PM
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Some people in this thread need to smoke a bowl.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:46 AM
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I started this thread thinking it would give those of us with medical certification a place to discuss the details of our situations. There are discussions on reddit like this. Oh well, so it goes.

Heh, turns out my ex-PCP is more evil than I thought. He refunded my $60 copay, but I assumed he still billed my insurance for my visit. Curious about how much he charged, and how he explained not charging a copay, I looked on my medical insurance app.

He made a claim and it was covered. He billed my insurance $301.00, they paid $146.88 after a network discount of $154.13. My copay is listed as $0 because he lied about the services provided. I showed this to my gf and she thinks I should complain to my insurance as well as the state medical board, but fuck it. He's looking for an excuse to retire and I'm not going to cooperate.
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In a cannabis-ish related thing for us ...

Today in the mail we got a flier from a place in the area selling CBD oil. Showed an older couple on it.

So this can be sent thru the US mail to target seniors now. That's cool.

I have an aunt that's on some sort of MM thing for the swelling in her hand. She's 90. Things are different now, but not everywhere.
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Old 05-17-2019, 05:02 PM
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I have an aunt that's on some sort of MM thing for the swelling in her hand. She's 90. Things are different now, but not everywhere.
Years ago I supplied a friend's 88 year old dad with cannabis to help him tolerate his chemo (on the whispered advice of his oncologist). It really helped him. He even regained a few pounds. But the only pipe I had that I didn't mind giving away was a long, purple, wooden dragon.
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Actually, it's about judging people who are trying the best they can to manage their issues in our sucky health "system". The last time I smoked was last November when I was smoking a low THC-strain. It was recommended to me by an excellent budtender who understood that I needed to manage extreme anxiety, not get high. You see, my husband was hospitalized across the country after having a heart attack. He had open heart surgery. My doctor told me to try deep-breathing and gave me an antihistamine to help me sleep. I thought she was kidding. The weed helped take off the panicky edge.

My husband died. I haven't smoked any weed since then, but I'm not going to judge anyone for how they manage their lives. Or how they acquire what they use. I blame the system and not the people, unlike those in this thread who sit in judgment.

hell, yes.

good post, Helena!
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I bought my first CBD gummies today. I've been having a very hard time sleeping for the last month or so (menopause). I've tried Melatonin which definitely calmed my mind but it made me dizzy and nauseous. While I do fall asleep, I wake up two hours later wide awake and can't fall back to sleep.

I've tried some other over the counter sleep aids but still the same thing - fall asleep, wake up a short time later wide awake.

I'm hoping the gummies will help me stay asleep.
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Old 05-19-2019, 06:34 AM
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I bought my first CBD gummies today. I've been having a very hard time sleeping for the last month or so (menopause). I've tried Melatonin which definitely calmed my mind but it made me dizzy and nauseous. While I do fall asleep, I wake up two hours later wide awake and can't fall back to sleep.

I've tried some other over the counter sleep aids but still the same thing - fall asleep, wake up a short time later wide awake.

I'm hoping the gummies will help me stay asleep.
I've heard that CBD takes a few days to "kick in".

My gf has had sleep issues. She gave up on melatonin after a month. I read some interesting research about lavender oil in a diffuser. In several studies women slept better with lavender being diffused overnight. I bought a bottle of lavender and a diffuser, and the last two months she's been sleeping perfectly.
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Old 05-20-2019, 10:44 AM
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I've heard that CBD takes a few days to "kick in".

My gf has had sleep issues. She gave up on melatonin after a month. I read some interesting research about lavender oil in a diffuser. In several studies women slept better with lavender being diffused overnight. I bought a bottle of lavender and a diffuser, and the last two months she's been sleeping perfectly.
I would love to have a lavender diffuser but I have budgies and they're super sensitive to strong smells.

I ate half a gummie bear before bed night before last. It might just be coincidence but I did sleep a bit better. I normally wake up 6, 7 or 8 times a night and then have a very hard time falling back asleep. I woke up 2 times and was able to fall back asleep within a few minutes.

I took half a gummie again last night and slept quite well, actually. I woke up 2 times but went back to sleep until I woke up at 5:00 am and was pretty awake. It's my day off though so there was no way I was getting up so early. I lay there, awake, for about half an hour but fell back asleep till 8:10 which is almost unheard of for me!

So I'll continue to eat half a gummie and hope it continues to improve.
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Adding PTSD to the list was a brilliant marketing decision as a lot of people have ďtraumaĒ and the definition can be stretched to cover whatever the patient and doctor wants it to.

PTSD was underdiagnosed for the longest time. Now it seems that anyone who sneezes wrong has that diagnosis.

I donít see why pot canít simply be made legal without the faÁade of medical marijuana. Just make it legal already.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:03 AM
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Pennsylvania's list of qualifying conditions is evolving. Tourette Syndrome and anxiety have been under consideration. Adding anxiety would qualify pretty much everyone.
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Once we study the various active components of pot, I'm sure we'll find some demonstrated uses for it. But touting it as a fix for nearly everything then making physicians complicit in approving it remains ludicrous.
And we've just gotten some: Study finds CBD effective in treating heroin addiction. I'm sure we'll eventually get more, but probably more from Canada than the US.

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I bought my first CBD gummies today. I've been having a very hard time sleeping for the last month or so (menopause). I've tried Melatonin which definitely calmed my mind but it made me dizzy and nauseous. While I do fall asleep, I wake up two hours later wide awake and can't fall back to sleep.
Melatonin should be a prescription drug instead of an OTC "nutrition supplement". It's not innocuous; it can have significant side effects. I used to take it to help get to sleep. I'm not sure it actually did much for my insomnia, but eventually I heard that it can aggravate certain autoimmune diseases. In my case, I have a mild allergy to some pollen (don't know what kind) and a tendency to arthritis in my knuckles. At the time I heard about this side effect, those were getting worse. So I stopped taking the stuff and those things cleared up.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:01 AM
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I never lied. Lying is something I do not do even in situations where some people would say it was OK. As far as wasting my doctor's time, his time is what I pay for. In fact, he was pissed off at me for not paying for his time every year.
Eh, you were mis-using his time, even if he is an asshole. Is have more sympathy for you if you'd been having trouble obtaining it.

And as I mentioned, I favor legalizing recreational pot. I have no issue with your use of pot, just of the medical system.
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Melatonin should be a prescription drug instead of an OTC "nutrition supplement". It's not innocuous; it can have significant side effects. I used to take it to help get to sleep. I'm not sure it actually did much for my insomnia, but eventually I heard that it can aggravate certain autoimmune diseases. In my case, I have a mild allergy to some pollen (don't know what kind) and a tendency to arthritis in my knuckles. At the time I heard about this side effect, those were getting worse. So I stopped taking the stuff and those things cleared up.
The whole nutrition supplement system is dicey, but in general I favor legalizing most drugs unless they have a significant risk of:
Addiction
Major, irreversible damage or death
Significant antisocial behavior

So melatonin falls well into the camp of drugs that I'd prefer be OTC. And I find it extremely useful for jetlag. I take a low dose for 3-5 days in each direction. I've never noticed any adverse effects, and it really improves my travel experience.
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