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Old 04-16-2020, 12:37 PM
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Why are most sports coaches Republican?


There is nothing wrong with being a Republican, it is a free country, do as you please. There is a two-party system.

But why are most sports coaches Republican or have that Republican vibe? Especially MLB, NHL, and NFL coaches? Some NBA coaches are as well, especially the white ones?

Even some white female coaches have a GOP-vibe?
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Old 04-16-2020, 12:53 PM
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Can you actually provide any sort of proof of your premise? Some poll or study?

If you are correct, it is probably about money, a majority of people that meet the criteria for Upper-Class are Republican.
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1. Most of them fit the demographics of "likelier to be Republican" to begin with: White, male, around age 50 or older, wealthy. For the same reason that many white, rich, male accountants, executives, airline captains, engineers, doctors may also be Republicans.


2. Professional sports is, by its nature, inherently conservative (this isn't to say that the people involved are conservative, but that sports itself tends to be conservative.) It's a brutal meritocracy; no affirmative action, whoever plays best will usually rise to the top, whoever doesn't play well will usually be mercilessly demoted after a while. Even a racist, white-supremacist head coach would have the brains to start an outstanding black wide receiver over a slow, plodding white wide receiver. Affirmative action that rewards some characteristic like race or background over actual talent, will be brutally exploited on the court/field. Pro sports is ruthlessly competitive, no excuses - out of 28-32 teams, only one will wind up with the championship trophy at season's end. It is the very opposite of equality; there are clear haves (Patriots) and have-nots (Browns, Lions). That environment may tend to breed or further a conservative mindset in the coaches.

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If you are correct, it is probably about money, a majority of people that meet the criteria for Upper-Class are Republican.
Money and age, as Republicans also tend to be older, and older Americans are more likely to identify as Republican.
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I saw a list of famous republicans once. Since then I think that a pro sports career means you are 90% chance of being conservative.
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It certainly doesn’t stop at pro sports. Look at Tommy Tuberville who can’t stop kissing Trump’s ass.

I was sickened by Bobby Bowden jumping on the Trump train.

I think a lot of it has to do with the mentality that if you just work harder, you’ll accomplish success. And, in the main sports in the USA many of the athletes come from lower class backgrounds. This guy made it unlike those lazy bums who didn’t want to work and got on welfare mentality.
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1. Most of them fit the demographics of "likelier to be Republican" to begin with: White, male, around age 50 or older, wealthy. For the same reason that many white, rich, male accountants, executives, airline captains, engineers, doctors may also be Republicans.


2. Professional sports is, by its nature, inherently conservative (this isn't to say that the people involved are conservative, but that sports itself tends to be conservative.) It's a brutal meritocracy; no affirmative action, whoever plays best will usually rise to the top, whoever doesn't play well will usually be mercilessly demoted after a while. Even a racist, white-supremacist head coach would have the brains to start an outstanding black wide receiver over a slow, plodding white wide receiver. Affirmative action that rewards some characteristic like race or background over actual talent, will be brutally exploited on the court/field. Pro sports is ruthlessly competitive, no excuses - out of 28-32 teams, only one will wind up with the championship trophy at season's end. It is the very opposite of equality; there are clear haves (Patriots) and have-nots (Browns, Lions). That environment may tend to breed or further a conservative mindset in the coaches.
The second point seems very naive, and pretty ignorant of the history of sports.
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It certainly doesnít stop at pro sports. Look at Tommy Tuberville who canít stop kissing Trumpís ass.

I was sickened by Bobby Bowden jumping on the Trump train.
Mentioning football in particular, it's worth noting that in high school/college football, especially in the South, the sport is very much wedded to conservatism, Christianity, and often small-town-ism. The whole thing is blended into the culture. The aggression and hard hitting of the sport may also have a factor.

Also, I think there is some geographical correlation between red/blue states and high school/college football presence. Sure, there are a few good liberal-state college teams like USC, Oregon, etc. but for a long time the football behemoth has been the SEC, the Deep Red South. High school football is huge in Texas and Oklahoma; it can draw tens of thousands of spectators. At the professional (NFL) level, the distinction is no longer there because it's about big urban cities (NYC, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, etc.) rather than states or counties, but overall the sport of football has always had a big root in political conservatism.
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In Texas it's: God, Country and Friday night football. And not necessarily in that order.
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Sports coaching relies on strict hierarchy and often authoritarian culture. People who score high in valuing these traits tend to vote conservative.
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NBA players are more likely to be liberal than other sports. Probably because many of them are black. The San Antonio coach really dislikes Trump.
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NBA players are more likely to be liberal than other sports. Probably because many of them are black. The San Antonio coach really dislikes Trump.
Yes.

Even some of the white players are liberal.

NFL coaches are very conservative, some of them, that is why they did not approve of Colin Kaepernick's stances.

Former Jacksonville Jaguars VP Tom Coughlin didn't even want him on his team.
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Sports coaching relies on strict hierarchy and often authoritarian culture. People who score high in valuing these traits tend to vote conservative.
Authoritarianism goes both ways. They are a lot of left-wing authoritarians.
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The GOP tried to get Mike Ditka to run for Senate in IL against Obama. He said he was very, very, right wing.
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Authoritarianism goes both ways. They are a lot of left-wing authoritarians.
A lot?

Right-wing authoritarianism includes this quote:

"There have been a number of other attempts to identify "left-wing authoritarians" in the United States and Canada. These would be people who submit to leftist authorities, are highly conventional to liberal viewpoints and are aggressive to people who oppose left-wing ideology. These attempts have failed because measures of authoritarianism always correlate at least slightly with the right. However, left-wing authoritarians were found in Eastern Europe. There are certainly extremists across the political spectrum, but most psychologists now believe that authoritarianism is a predominantly right-wing phenomenon."
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A lot?

Right-wing authoritarianism includes this quote:

"There have been a number of other attempts to identify "left-wing authoritarians" in the United States and Canada. These would be people who submit to leftist authorities, are highly conventional to liberal viewpoints and are aggressive to people who oppose left-wing ideology. These attempts have failed because measures of authoritarianism always correlate at least slightly with the right. However, left-wing authoritarians were found in Eastern Europe. There are certainly extremists across the political spectrum, but most psychologists now believe that authoritarianism is a predominantly right-wing phenomenon."
It goes both ways. Fidel Castro, Evo Morales etc. are leftwing authoritarians.
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It goes both ways. Fidel Castro, Evo Morales etc. are leftwing authoritarians.
So then sports coaches in Cuba would probably align with Communism politically. What's your point?

You asked about coaches aligning with Republican politics, which is US centric last I checked. Yet now you are flogging this leftist communism argument. Talk about moving the goalposts!
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The second point seems very naive, and pretty ignorant of the history of sports.
This article implies point 2 is part of it.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/20...an_220545.html
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The second point seems very naive, and pretty ignorant of the history of sports.
Not to mention the history of conservatism.
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Sports coaching relies on strict hierarchy and often authoritarian culture. People who score high in valuing these traits tend to vote conservative.
I was going to say something very like this. I think he has nailed it.
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Coaches come from among those who played the sport at some advanced level- college, pro, minor league. These are the same guys who ruled the roost in high school, generally eschewing the more advanced classes and spending a lot more time on the practice field than studying. They became accustomed to being the privileged class and having the world throw itself at their feet. So naturally they're attracted to the party of the privileged anti-intellectuals.
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Most football coaches believe that top down authority and strict obedience are the ingredients to success on the field and they may actually be right in that regard; the sport's design kinda lends itself to that practice. That drive to "win" appears to be much more of a conservative trait than a non-conservative one. I certainly don't share it and would be hard pressed to maintain a personal relationship with someone that competitive.
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Lou Holtz endorsed Jesse Helms and people thought it might hurt him recruiting black players but it did not seem to have any impact on his recruiting.

Michael Jordan was asked to endorse a Dem and he did not , he said GOP folks buy his shoes too.
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NFL coaches are very conservative, some of them, that is why they did not approve of Colin Kaepernick's stances.

Former Jacksonville Jaguars VP Tom Coughlin didn't even want him on his team.
Not wanting Kaepernick on your team is not necessarily a symptom of conservatism. I donít know any coach that wants a back up quarterback that is a distraction and the focus of the press. And not even for his play.
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"Why are old rich white males Republican" That's kinda their main demographic.
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Can you actually provide any sort of proof of your premise? Some poll or study?
That's my question too. I'd even expand that beyond the US. Are international team-sports coaches conservative, or leaning toward their national consensus, or what? Has this been documented?
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That's my question too. I'd even expand that beyond the US. Are international team-sports coaches conservative, or leaning toward their national consensus, or what? Has this been documented?
English football (soccer) in the 20th century was probably the sport that had an overt left leaning mindset. Because rugby and cricket were the two sports considered for the upper class/privately educated people, while football was more popular in working class towns since it was an inexpensive and much more accessible game. Workers in mining communities, shipbuilding sites, construction valued going to the match on a Saturday as their escape from long and miserly work. And their children grew up in that environment. The formation of football clubs in local communities started off in some local pub or church a lot of the time and it was not a game that rewarded well financially until the latter part of the century. A lot of the best players from the 50s, 60s and 70s would end up owning a pub or working in a taxi as their second career. It was a different world than the endless financial pot the game has now where mediocre players drive Mercedes cars and own mansions.

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