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Old 04-17-2020, 10:37 AM
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Nah it's bad you can lose it at any moment if you even have it that its tied to your job and any pre-exisiting conditions and any of that might kill you or your kids or your partner. Not cool.
Boy, you're going to have to translate that for me. I can't follow.

Are you saying that the ACA is employer dependent? Because I know Medicate isn't.

ACA isn't, as well. I'm using an ACA plan and haven't had to worry about any employer issues during my time on it.
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Boy, you're going to have to translate that for me. I can't follow.

Are you saying that the ACA is employer dependent? Because I know Medicate isn't.

ACA isn't, as well. I'm using an ACA plan and haven't had to worry about any employer issues during my time on it.
Sorry was just in chat with some friends the US. Epilepsy not covered. Casual workers who had a comfortable living, they are fucked now.

What can they do? They can't afford COBRA for long and don't know what to do
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Old 04-17-2020, 10:54 AM
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Sorry was just in chat with some friends the US. Epilepsy not covered. Casual workers who had a comfortable living, they are fucked now.

What can they do? They can't afford COBRA for long and don't know what to do
That's still not responsive to my question.

If you're talking about the current system of employer-based plans - which we really weren't - you're right. I think most of us here would acknowledge that going forward with such is impractical and suboptimal.

But we were discussing Medicare and the ACA. Neither of which are employer sponsored and neither of which can you be kicked off for losing your job. COBRA doesn't apply to them, either.
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That's still not responsive to my question.

If you're talking about the current system of employer-based plans - which we really weren't - you're right. I think most of us here would acknowledge that going forward with such is impractical and suboptimal.

But we were discussing Medicare and the ACA. Neither of which are employer sponsored and neither of which can you be kicked off for losing your job. COBRA doesn't apply to them, either.
We are in a global crisis, please help everyone have access to health care, you said you are up in the Democrat party or have been.
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Boy, you're going to have to translate that for me. I can't follow.

Are you saying that the ACA is employer dependent? Because I know Medicate isn't.

ACA isn't, as well. I'm using an ACA plan and haven't had to worry about any employer issues during my time on it.
What is with people pretending to be jolly about not understanding things?

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Old 04-17-2020, 01:04 PM
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No, the real advantage to pushing M4A is that it is EASY. It's easy to present and sell. It takes an existing federal program - one that is already very popular with those who use it - and expand those eligible. ...
Except that sanders plan- also called M4A- has nothing whatsoever to do with Medicare. Not even a little bit.

So, when you say "M4A" we dont know if you are talking about sanders crazy gold plated cadillac plan, or Real Medicare for all. Night and day.
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What is with people pretending to be jolly about not understanding things?

Your posts make no sense.

Either sanders crazy gold plated cadillac plan, or Real Medicare for all- both would provide healthcare for all regardless of employment status and regardless of pre-existing conditions. You cant "lose it at any moment ".

Were you posting drunk or something? Mind you, I wouldn't blame you.
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The one where poor Americans get health care
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Old 04-17-2020, 05:36 PM
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The one where poor Americans get health care
Medicaid.

Medical.

ACA.
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Manwich, preexisting conditions haven’t been a thing for a decade now. Although Trump and other Republicans have been trying to bring them back and lying about it.


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No, the real advantage to pushing M4A is that it is EASY. It's easy to present and sell. It takes an existing federal program - one that is already very popular with those who use it - and expand those eligible. There's not a lot of explanation necessary there. Voters already know of the plan and are aware of people already using it.

That would be true, if it were the Santos M4A plan that simply removes the age eligibility requirement for Medicare. But as DrDeth pointed out, Bernie’s bill has literally nothing to do with Medicare except the misleading name.
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In an interview over at The Intercept, noted centrist corporate neo-liberal shill Noam Chomsky said he was voting for Biden.

To be exact he said, "Of course, I wouldn't hesitate for a second... I'm not going to vote for the destruction of organized human society." He also said whatever hopes progressives have for the future, with "another Trump term, I don't think we get that far."

He also says “Failure to vote for Biden in this election in a swing state amounts to voting for Trump" and compares the #NeverBiden leftists to Communists in the '30s who refused to ally with social democrats against the Nazis: "We know where that led."

I know Chomsky's politics. I know Biden is not his dream president - in another recent interview he says "I would anticipate it would be essentially a continuation of Obama — nothing very great, but at least not totally destructive, and opportunities for an organized public to change what is being done, to impose pressures."

But when he says it's an easy decision considering the only other alternative, it should mean something. He was a teenager when World War II was being fought. He saw Hitler rallies as a youth and said that Trump's win four years ago reminded him of them. He is more worldly and a hell of a lot smarter than cosplay Socialists who don't worry about such things because their lives are so damn cozy.
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In an interview over at The Intercept, noted centrist corporate neo-liberal shill Noam Chomsky said he was voting for Biden.
Thank you, it's great Chomsky's ideas are becoming more mainstream. I was surprised how few Americans dopers were familiar with his works, especially on the media. He is really so important in getting the "straight dope" as far as the US media's presentation of ideas on invading countries, obeying corporate interests.
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I'm impressed by Chomsky! I don't recall his talking about elections much, but his politics are so radical I assumed he was the type who wouldn't even vote, or would consider Bernie a sellout.
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I despise Chomsky but I’m glad he’s not pushing the non voting is cool or throw your vote away on a 3rd party to make a point
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Yahoo! article: Some Bernie voters lukewarm about Biden, may go Trump
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:35 PM
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This is true and unsurprising. There are some Biden supporters who would have voted for Trump if Sanders received the nomination, out of fear of the nature of some Sanders proposals.

I profoundly disagree with all Trump voters and with all nonvoters, but I don't have any extra layer of disagreement with the folks who would've voted for Sanders but are voting instead for Trump. I just figure they're a particular type of low-information, low-logic, or low-empathy Trump voter who vaguely liked Sanders too.
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Old 04-20-2020, 10:09 AM
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The Wyoming Democratic caucus vote was conducted entirely by mail. Biden received 72% of the vote.
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Biden has also won the Wisconsin primary by 30 points, which occurred while Bernie was still technically in the race. Four years ago, Sanders beat Clinton by 13 points. Biden is clearly doing better in one vs one match-ups than Hillary did. Republicans should be very scared by these numbers. Trumps not running against Hillary again.
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I profoundly disagree with all Trump voters and with all nonvoters, but I don't have any extra layer of disagreement with the folks who would've voted for Sanders but are voting instead for Trump. I just figure they're a particular type of low-information, low-logic, or low-empathy Trump voter who vaguely liked Sanders too.

Makes me think of this guy, who has stuck in my mind since 2016, interviewed by a NYT reporter at a Bernie Sanders rally:

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Victor Vizcarra, 48, of Los Angeles, said he would much prefer Mr. Trump to Mrs. Clinton. Though he said he disagreed with some of Mr. Trump’s policies, Mr. Vizcarra said he had watched “The Apprentice” and expected that a Trump presidency would be more exciting than a “boring” Clinton administration.

“A dark side of me wants to see what happens if Trump is in,” said Mr. Vizcarra, who works in information technology. “There is going to be some kind of change, and even if it’s like a Nazi-type change. People are so drama-filled. They want to see stuff like that happen. It’s like reality TV. You don’t want to just see everybody be happy with each other. You want to see someone fighting somebody.”

Joe Rogan appears to be in this camp too.
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Old 04-22-2020, 10:23 AM
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Makes me think of this guy, who has stuck in my mind since 2016, interviewed by a NYT reporter at a Bernie Sanders rally:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/u...er-links-click

Joe Rogan appears to be in this camp too.
That dude is definitely deplorable, and the "I want to watch the world burn" is totally on the more-deplorable end of the spectrum.

I still wouldn't turn his vote away if he decided to vote for a Dem, though.
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Makes me think of this guy, who has stuck in my mind since 2016, interviewed by a NYT reporter at a Bernie Sanders rally:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/u...er-links-click



Joe Rogan appears to be in this camp too.
So, I googled this guy. He doesn't think Biden speaks normally (Trump does?) or that he could handle the pressure of the presidency (Trump can?) I honestly cannot understand Trump voters.

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After Sanders dropped out of the race, Rogan said he would "rather vote for Trump than Biden." He added that he was concerned that Biden, who will turn 78 shortly after Election Day, would not be able to handle the pressure of the Presidency, with pointed criticism aimed at Biden’s speaking ability which he described, “As not a normal way to communicate, unless you’re high.
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It's also not hard to Google the fact that Biden overcame being a stutterer and that is why he still sometimes has issues speaking.

You know who else mocks people with disabilities?

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And the thing is, although Rogan is usually not as smart as his guests, he's smart enough to not look like a complete idiot when conversing with them (most of the time). It's disappointing.
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