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Yes, there's a technicality that one could argue that would allow a former two-term President to be the Vice President, and then to succeed to the Presidency again. But it goes against the clear intent of the relevant amendments. And even if a court (even the Supreme Court) were to rule that the intent is irrelevant, because the text as written allows it, this is politics, and appearances matter in politics: It would look like a technicality, and that would turn off enough voters that nobody would ever want to try to pull it off.
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A big problem with the Biden accusation is that it normalizes Trump...
This statement is so silly I don't even know where to begin. One accusation against Biden is the equivalent to the almost 2 dozen accusations against Trump? Not to mention his creepy behavior at that teen beauty pageant, hush money payment to a porn star and comments caught on tape talking about sexually assaulting women?

Keep trying because this isn't even close.
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This statement is so silly I don't even know where to begin. One accusation against Biden is the equivalent to the almost 2 dozen accusations against Trump? Not to mention his creepy behavior at that teen beauty pageant, hush money payment to a porn star and comments caught on tape talking about sexually assaulting women?
I'm still waiting for the flood of other accusations about Biden's persistent sexual assault behavior. The point of the #MeToo movement was to encourage people who have been victimized so come forward and speak up because they weren't alone, and in every case of validated predation there have been multiple--often dozens--of victims who have come forward. From what we've seen so far, Joe Biden allegedly violated one person in an inexcusable, horrific manner...and otherwise has just been excessive in his shoulder-rubbing and respecting personal space, which is creepy and needs to be addressed, but the accusation is so far above any other complaint about Biden that it begs the discussion of credibility.

The comparison that many have made to Brett Kavanaugh versus the complaint of Christine Blasey Ford is entirely appropriate. Of course, in this case, Kavanaugh already gutted his own credibility by dodging questions about his discussions regarding the Mueller investigation with the law firm in which Trump's personal lawyer was a principal, transparently lying about his teenage drinking and sexcapades, and various other questions about which his answers were evasive, not to mention that his key character witness, Mark Judge, was entirely absent, even before the Ford testimony whereas there was little reason to doubt Ford's credibility beyond not recalling details ancillary to the alleged assault, which as many sexual abuse experts have noted is a common occurrence in victims, and she had second-hand corroboration of people to whom she had relayed salient details of the assault and Kavanaugh's identity years before the announcement of Kavanaugh's nomination. So, let's hold up Biden and Reade to the same standard while waiting for other hypothetical victims of Biden's predatory tendencies to come forward with credible claims.

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I would ask Sanders supporters to take a minute and consider how they would feel if the situation was reversed.

Suppose Sanders had held on to his early momentum and he now had a substantial lead in delegates. Let's say it was Sanders who had 1435 delegates pledged to him from various primaries and Biden had 984.

How would you feel if, at this point, people were saying "I think Sanders should consider dropping out. Sure, he got the delegates but I feel a lot of people who voted for Sanders felt pressured and they really wanted to vote for Biden instead. And those Biden supporters really seem to believe Biden is a better candidate and they seem really upset he lost. I think we need to acknowledge their feelings and arrange something at the convention so we can nominate Biden."
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Old 05-05-2020, 08:17 PM
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I get why we skip a guy in the line of succession if he’s not a natural-born citizen; it’s because only “a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

That doesn’t merely bar such folks from getting elected president; it talks, broadly, about being eligible to that office.

Now, I of course see where there’s also a bar on folks being “elected to the office of the President more than twice” — or, in some cases, even being “elected to the office of the President more than once” — but, again, that’s explicitly limited to being elected to the office; it’s not written the way the natural-born part was.
Gee, now where have I heard this being mentioned before?
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The Democrats should have found a younger, moderate, charismatic straight arrow. Then the contrast would have been stark: An old, blustering, obnoxious man against a young moderate with a reputation for scruples.
Those darn Dem primary voters went for Biden, though, dang their hides. Popular vote wins shouldn't count! Let wise party elders pick the candidates. That worked for Harding.

Who will the (D) candidate be in November? We can HOPE no terrible tragedy breaks the nomination process. We can HOPE Biden lives till autumn and isn't placed in protective custody after the national lockdown (with troops) takes effect. But our hopes might not matter. The electoral system is rigged to install luzers. Watch this play out.
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Those darn Dem primary voters went for Biden, though, dang their hides. Popular vote wins shouldn't count! Let wise party elders pick the candidates. That worked for Harding.
Maybe they think there's a primary electoral college that went with Bernie.
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Ok, lets say between now and the dem convention Biden gets sick or has some major gaffes or something, the sexual allegations against him dont go away, I dont know, could the dems reconsider him for someone else?

Granted the democrats have already put their money on this one bet but could they switch horses at the last moment?
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The party could change their mind at any point up to the convention. If they were to do so, it would almost certainly be to whomever Biden was planning on picking as a running mate. I mean, it could be Sanders, but then, it could be Jimmy Carter, too.
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It could be Hillary Clinton, it could be Pete Buttigieg and it could be me.

But it’ll be Biden.
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