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Old 05-17-2020, 02:43 PM
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Seattle baseball stadium roof only prevents rain , it does not impact the temperature in the stadium.
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Old 05-18-2020, 07:01 AM
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Not anything to do with the sports themselves, but I'll say stadium naming rights. Here's the way it should be: a city decides to build a stadium or arena, picks a name that has some relevance to the city, and that's the name until the building is torn down.
I don't understand. Does this mean you want cities to pay for stadiums?

MetLife Stadium was paid for entirely privately, no public money used. Are you saying the private investors who paid for it shouldn't get to sell the naming rights, but instead the big city a few miles away gets to pick the name because...why?

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I am sick and fucking tired of hearing corny ass fans crying about the way an athlete behaves after they make a good play. And these critiques seem to be disproportionally focused on the way black people behave during moments of celebration. It's like everyone is trying to force their cultural expectations on the players instead of just letting people enjoy themselves and their accomplishments. Just because that's not how you would behave in that moment does not make the celebratory actions of others wrong.
My complaints are with the clearly rehearsed or staged celebrations. If that happens to be over-represented by black players, then black players will be over-represented in my complaints. That's just how it goes.

If someone scores and jumps around out of their mind excited or pumps their fists or whatever, that's all good. If they organize together and perform some stupid pre-rehearsed choreographed bullshit, I won't be shamed by claims of "racism" that I find it cringe-worthy.

I'll give two examples from my own team, the New York Giants. During their 2007 Superbowl season, the defensive line started to come together and take over games. (Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, Osi Unemyioura; of course they did.) But they also started a new celebration, where the linemen would come together after a sack and then all mimic doing a basketball jump shot because "ballin'". It was the corniest, most cringeworthy celebratory gimmick I've ever witnessed. Just awful.

Then there's Victor Cruz. Not a lot of Latinx stars in the NFL so he felt his representation mattered. His first touchdown he (says that he) hadn't prepared anything, and the first thing that came to mind to put his heritage front and center was to do a salsa dance. Totally fine that first time, but then it became his "thing" and he had to do it every time. It got very hard for me to watch his salsa dance, but I don't think he really had any choice in the matter so I don't kill him too much for it. Not nearly as bad as the "Ultimate Douchy Move" celebration known as "Ballin'" by the defensive line. Yuck.

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Old 05-19-2020, 01:29 PM
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My complaints are with the clearly rehearsed or staged celebrations. If that happens to be over-represented by black players, then black players will be over-represented in my complaints. That's just how it goes.

If someone scores and jumps around out of their mind excited or pumps their fists or whatever, that's all good. If they organize together and perform some stupid pre-rehearsed choreographed bullshit, I won't be shamed by claims of "racism" that I find it cringe-worthy.
Racism? Yeah, no.

Like what you like and don't like what you don't like. Personally, I don't like all of the folks out there who get their undies in a twist and start complaining about the way someone celebrated and how they should "act like they've been there before" and/or "respect the game." To me, this sounds like a low-key way to take shots at different cultures and I truly wish these people would simply stop trying to put forth their cultural expectations like they are goals the rest of us are supposed to live up to.

And to the best of my knowledge you aren't doing any of that.

I agree that many of the rehearsed celebrations are disingenuous and corny as fuck. Seriously, you and your crew actually thought about and practiced what to do and that is the best y'all could come up with?!?
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Old 05-22-2020, 07:20 PM
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Baseball 'unwritten rules'. Agree 100% with everything written before. Most sports have some unwritten rules, and most of them are rubbish - baseball's just seem the most exreme and players and (some) fans get incredibly incensed when they are broken. But if your team breaks a written rule and gets away with it, that's called 'on-field cunning' and 'experience' etc.

Timeouts in all sports. Why? (I know - advertising $$$$$). Coaches already get quarter-time and half-time breaks (and whatever they are called in ice hockey) to talk to the players. We are told the teams have on-field captains. I want to see the players play and make decisions on the field in real time. Coaches set strategy. Players implement tactics. If the players need a break because they are tired - get fitter.
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:15 PM
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Timeouts in all sports. Why? (I know - advertising $$$$$). Coaches already get quarter-time and half-time breaks (and whatever they are called in ice hockey) to talk to the players. We are told the teams have on-field captains. I want to see the players play and make decisions on the field in real time. Coaches set strategy. Players implement tactics. If the players need a break because they are tired - get fitter.
This is one of my big things. My biggest peeves are:

(1) Too much substitution and platooning. A team should be largely the same 9/11/whatever people from the start to the finish of the game, barring actual need, like injury. If I were king of sports, I'd make all players in every sport play both offense and defense.

(2) Involvement in the game by non-players, meaning managers and coaches. I would decree that once the game starts, the game should be played only by people eligible to actually play on the field. Coaches, managers, and other advisors would be benished to sit with the spectators at the start of the game, with no communication allowed with the players until the game is over. All in-game decisions would be made by a field captain who is actually in play. That means baseball lineups written by and all strategy decided by the field captain, runners deciding on their own whether to advance or not, with no directions from base coaches, etc.
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:19 PM
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Basketball: Intentional fouls. (When breaking rules looks like good strategy, the rules are in need of improvement.)

You could put a stop to this with a rule that says any 2-shot foul includes the option of forgoing the second shot in favor of free possession at mid court.
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BobLibDem nailed it, except for

Making it even harder to execute the onside kick.

Shoeless, I'm with you on the stadium names.
Onside kicks in the NFL may be going the way of the flying wedge. Cite.
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Onside kicks in the NFL may be going the way of the flying wedge. Cite.
I think I like everything about that. Twice a game you can do 4th and 15 from your own 25 instead of an onside kick. Otherwise just do a (now nearly impossible) onside kick.

Down by two scores at the 2:00 warning you're pretty much done because a successful onside kick is like winning the lottery. 4th and 15 feels more achievable through merit, even if statistically it isn't any better success rate than the more luck-based onside kick.

Is there anywhere we could look up the league-wide success rate of 4th and 15 from recent seasons or all time? Ideally from the offense's 25, but any field position is fine. There can't be that many per season. Would profootballreference or footballoutsiders have that kind of data?

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