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Old 04-17-2020, 10:08 AM
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Did anyone else get the feeling that the "everyone gets to go to the beach" was Jeff calling an audible? They had a challenge set up on the beach. I think Jeff was sincere when he said that the adults and teens were going to swim out to a sandbar offshore and he saw something in the kids' reaction that changed his mind. To me, the small children looked more upset and confused than excited to see mom/dad. Notice how there was no "goodbye" scene. That scene must have been really difficult to watch. The teens are old enough to understand what is going on, but the little ones couldn't possibly have a clue.
In Dalton's recap he mentions that Tyson was actually pushing for his daughter to get to come out before he agreed to come back. I think they realized they didn't want to bring a bunch of little kids out and then go, "No, you can't go see your dad because he lost his balance."
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:20 AM
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The reunions are my least favorite part of the show. How long have these folks had to endure not seeing their partner/parent/sibling?* A month or two, max?

The way some of them react you'd think their loved one had just risen from the grave.


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You don't think it's a lot different when it's little kids, babies even?
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:20 AM
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You don't think it's a lot different when it's little kids, babies even?
If this reply is referencing my post, please see my asterisk.

I can see missing your kids while Surviving, but falling to pieces because you haven't seen your sister in six weeks seems way too dramatic.


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Old 04-19-2020, 11:43 AM
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I can see missing your kids while Surviving, but falling to pieces because you haven't seen your sister in six weeks seems way too dramatic.
Although I’m generally appreciative of the family reunion episodes, I have to agree. I’m willing to chalk that up to stress, though.
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Old 04-19-2020, 12:17 PM
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I have no doubt the survivors are emotional when seeing their loved ones.

Its just something that I am not comfortable watching. Its a private moment and that is why I FFed through most of it.

IMO, it is something that TPTB could put out on ALL ACCESS.

I would rather see the why Kim, Tyson, Denise thought Michelle was on their side but was not.

Even a scavenger hunt on EoE is preferable to leering on the Loved One Reunion.
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If they must continue the feature, I sure hope they never do it with the offspring again.

Most of those kids expressed equal parts fear and confusion.


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I can see missing your kids while Surviving, but falling to pieces because you haven't seen your sister in six weeks seems way too dramatic.

Drama gets you votes at the final council.
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Old 04-19-2020, 05:54 PM
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I have no doubt the survivors are emotional when seeing their loved ones.

Its just something that I am not comfortable watching. Its a private moment and that is why I FFed through most of it.
I've never been surprised at the overwrought reactions during the family visit episodes. The contestants have been under constant physical and psychological stress for weeks, with no communication with the "outside world" at all. Of course they're going to fall apart at the sight of a familiar face.

However, I wish the producers wouldn't do it at all, and I fast-forward past it. I think showing these private moments amounts to emotional pornography. And they definitely should never include children again.
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Jeremy had to wait for the other 9 constestants to have their reunion. Edited for TV, that took 20 minutes. How long did he actually wait for Val and his kids. An Hour? Longer?

Based on the survivor reactions, that had to be torture as he waited one by one for Tyson, Kim, Tony, etc get reunited with their partners and children.
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So… Yeah. Little kids just don't belong on this show. That whole sequence was awkward, overwrought, and waaay too long.
I do get how big a deal these visits are to the contestants, but like notfrommensa, I don't need to see it. This wasted half an episode, and we didn't even get a challenge out of it.

Apparently they had to throw quite a few bones like this to the players in order to get this many winners to agree to participate. Maybe it'll be worth it in the end - I've mostly enjoyed this season so far - but hopefully it's a one-off deal. You can't give the contestants this much leverage to dictate how the game is played (or not played, in the case of this episode).

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However, I wish the producers wouldn't do it at all, and I fast-forward past it. I think showing these private moments amounts to emotional pornography. And they definitely should never include children again.

Huh. I feel just the opposite: this is the 39th season I've watched, most of which had family visits. I found all the others eyeroll-inducing, but this one was gold IMO.
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Old 04-22-2020, 10:07 PM
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Huh. I feel just the opposite: this is the 39th season I've watched, most of which had family visits. I found all the others eyeroll-inducing, but this one was gold IMO.
I agree. I actually found the family episode to be all-around great this time.
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Solid episode tonight.
Tony fucking cleaned up. Found an HII, managed to convince three people (including one not in his alliance) to give him fire tokens, won immunity, and then engineered a plurality vote to send home someone with an idol in their pocket. He really is playing like the Tony of his first season, constantly on the verge of getting too crazy but instead pulling it off. I'm gonna be disappointed if anyone other than him or Kim win at this point.

One thing I was thinking during the immunity challenge though was since winning included two fire tokens, I was hoping Tony would win so we could see the fallout from being able to only pay two people back. Does the odd man out feel slighted and turn on him? But they didn't show it and I have no idea if he even paid anyone back.

Was sad to hear Sophie say that she felt like she was a bottom-tier winner. I've never seen anyone online say as such. Of the people on this season, it's usually people like Ben, Wendell, Michelle, maybe Adam or Nick who are bandied about as undeserving or lower-tier winners.

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Old 04-23-2020, 08:21 AM
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One thing I was thinking during the immunity challenge though was since winning included two fire tokens, I was hoping Tony would win so we could see the fallout from being able to only pay two people back. Does the odd man out feel slighted and turn on him? But they didn't show it and I have no idea if he even paid anyone back.
Tony was goddamn gold last night. So, so happy as he read the "Extortion Advantage", giggling at how he's going to totally screw over one of the other players, then he reached the last line of the note. I swear, we need a reality show based on nothing but Tony Vlacho.

And I was totally waiting for the "I know I won two fire tokens, but I had to borrow three, so I'm paying the other two people back and I'll pay you back as soon as I get another one" speech, repeated three times. I'm certain the concept of not paying anyone back ran through his mind.
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Did Tony find a HII in the dark? That sequence was shot in b&w, which usually indicates twilight, right?
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Did Tony find a HII in the dark? That sequence was shot in b&w, which usually indicates twilight, right?
It definitely looked like the sun was coming up around the time he found it. I would really like to know what it looks like for them when they're roaming around at night.
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Tony is very entertaining,
I said this a few weeks ago when Tony caught the shark.

It was amazing how he went from Giddy to Horrified as he read the parchment of the extortion advantage, and then re-enacted his range of emotions in the Talking Head confessional.

Last night was one of the best survivor episodes of all time.

Can't wait to see the fall out of the vote next week.
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Great blindside, and nicely edited too; we had an inkling it might be coming, but didn't know whether they would pull it off. Based on Jeremy's reactions when Probst was reading the votes, I thought he hadn't gone along with the Sophie plan and was about to be voted out. I truly had no idea what the last vote was going to be until it was revealed.

With 8 left, it looks like a 4/4 split right now. Of course, things are never that simple. Should be a fun finish.
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That was a really solid plan by Tony. And he only revealed the plan to people he needed to, and too late for them to turn on him or rat him out. And he knew he was safe either way (idol + necklace) for at least two votes.

He went from an outsider in a 5-person group with Sarah and Sophie calling the shots (and other strategic players like Kim and Denise in the mix too) to the potential ringleader of a Nick, Jeremy, Michelle 4-some. Much weaker strategic players, IMO, and ones that may feel they owe him a lot more allegiance.

It sucks, because I really like Sophie and thought she was playing pretty well. Clearly she didn't have a read on the danger she was in, but how could she when the only person that could have tipped her off were Tony (who actually seems to be pretty good at the lying thing), Nick (who wisely realized he would end up on the outside of the Sophie/Sarah/Kim/Denise group), and the two outsiders (Jeremy and Michelle). What's great about it was that the folks it marginalized (Sarah, Kim, Ben) are the ones he probably wants out next anyways.

It is a bit risky to put yourself in a 4/4 split with some strongly burned bridges, but the idol negates a lot of that danger (potentially - is there still a nullifier out there?) Also Kim and Denise were pretty clearly on team Jeremy not too long ago, so I could see them jumping back on board to vote out Sarah and Ben at least.
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Watching Tony flip out over receiving the extortion advantage was a great moment and so well setup by the editors of the show. His reaction when he realized it was against him is great stuff.
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Much better editing this week! We were not sure what exactly was going to happen at tribal, yet the basic parameters of what might happen were clear. As a Michele stan, I was thrilled that her side win out, despite being down 5-4, thanks to the other side getting overconfident and splitting their votes. Although Sophie is also one of my favorite winners, so it’s too bad it was at her expense.

The “extortion advantage” was a fiendish new twist. I loved it and it was really neat to see how it juiced the Survivor economy, with Tony taking out loans from allies. He said he repaid them after he won the individual immunity and received two tokens, but didn’t he borrow from three different people?

Sarah: “People think I’m just smart, and funny, and pretty, but...”

I have been pretty negative about Kim, having often called her the most overrated winner ever. But fair is fair and she deserves total credit for sussing out that Tony was not being straight with her (although ironically, he did go back to supporting Jeremy after she bailed on Jeremy).

I found the immunity challenge a bit confusing. What was holding the statues up when they were transitioning to the next level?

How did Tony never win immunity on his previous two seasons or earlier this season, when now he is becoming the challenge beast you would expect from someone with his physique?

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I found the immunity challenge a bit confusing. What was holding the statues up when they were transitioning to the next level?
I was curious about that too.

I rewind the PVR a bit and saw a small piece of probably wood fall off after they nudged the statue for the first time
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So basically a rule that was unstated (at least on camera) was that they had to nudge it and knock that bit of wood down? I think Jeff should have explained that explicitly.


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It definitely looked like the sun was coming up around the time he found it. I would really like to know what it looks like for them when they're roaming around at night.

You would have to be there in person. To make a scene on TV look like normal indoor lighting on our screens, they have to use a massive amount of light from the perspective of the people being filmed. Although thinking about it a little more, I suppose they could do vision tests under the moonlight and then adjust the image in post to make it match that level of clarity on our screen.
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Re: Immunity Challenge set-up.

The first IC after the merge. The "Hug a Pole like Sloth 10-12 feet off the ground" Challenge.

How do the survivors get up to their perch? All at the same time? Ladders? (Hope it is not Tony's Ladder) As someone who has slight acrophobia, climbing a ladder would frighten me. (but oddly not so much once I was hugging the pole). Maybe a scissor lift.
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Old 04-29-2020, 11:25 PM
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Sadly, this season has been disappointing. They’ve introduced way too many variables and are giving far too much power to players in alliances by allowing them to gift items to their buddies.

Idols are getting too easy to find and too predictable.

Too many players have been milking their 15 minutes of fame for too long. Boston Rob, Sandra, Parvati, I mean, come on. Maybe old Survivors should be cast in a Bachelor in Paradise show so that we don’t have to see them return for the 300th time.

The joy and wonder new players have at meeting Jeff is missing when you have reunion shows and that hurts the show.

The only halfway amusing character was voted off. Twice.

Ethan's return should have been joyful but I find myself worrying that they’re harming his health.

Sandra's tweet and Crane's cat's post were more entertaining than this season. And we are in the middle of a pandemic. What does that say?

The only good thing is that the challenges are mixing physicality, balance, puzzle solving, etc.
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You shouldn’t be able to ask someone who they voted for before deciding to play an idol or not. This season is beginning to feel like a celebrity version of a game show, where they bend the rules and make it easier to win - except there’s no point to doing so since only one player can win in the end, which makes the practice somewhat annoying.

However, I’m still finding it entertaining. Funny that after all the chaos at TC, Tony still somehow had everything under control. And I think voting Kim out was a good play; Jeremy is not as big a threat as some think he is, IMO.

I’m calling Tony the odds-on favorite to win at this point. Not sure who’s up to the task of getting enough votes together to boot him. Maybe Sarah, if she’s finally had enough of his antics.

And it’s unlikely that whoever comes back from EoE will win, but depending on who it is, they could stir things up enough to affect the outcome.

Should be a fun finish.
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EOL


When TV series reach End Of Life they follow a pattern: celebrity - wedding - child birth. So, we are well into the celebrity phase, what's next? a pair meets on the island and they ask Jeff to officiate on day 29? a pregnant participant who delivers during the merge?
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So basically a rule that was unstated (at least on camera) was that they had to nudge it and knock that bit of wood down? I think Jeff should have explained that explicitly.
I mean, we never get the full explanation the castaways get. My understanding is they give a detailed list of rules and the cast gets to ask questions. But if we saw all that it would take up the whole show.

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Did you miss Rob proposing to Amber years ago?

I'm not sure I get all the complaints about this season. All-Stars have always been the exception to the norm. I think this has been one of the best all-stars because all those outside the game relationships existed in the past, they just edited it all out.
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I have enjoyed the season (other than the Loved Ones visit). Much better than the last season (Island of the Idols). I like the returning players. The Devil you know is often better than the devil you don't know. About the only things I remember from last season was Sandra and Rob and the creepy guy who got kicked off the island. I had to go to wiki to remember the dude who won. And we saw that only a few months ago.

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Do you really think that? We are watching an edited show. How long was Ben looking before finding it. For all we know, it might have been a 6 hour search before he found it. The telecast would be pretty boring if it all it was players searching for idols. (I am glad that footage is on the cutting room floor)
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Do you really think that? We are watching an edited show. How long was Ben looking before finding it. For all we know, it might have been a 6 hour search before he found it. The telecast would be pretty boring if it all it was players searching for idols. (I am glad that footage is on the cutting room floor)
I do kinda wish idols weren't out in the open. I'd rather them hide clues to idols hidden at camp or challenges, etc. Or have less idols in general. I want to see more advantages like the "Safety with Power" or the "50/50"
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You shouldn’t be able to ask someone who they voted for before deciding to play an idol or not. This season is beginning to feel like a celebrity version of a game show, where they bend the rules and make it easier to win - except there’s no point to doing so since only one player can win in the end, which makes the practice somewhat annoying. ....
You can ask them but they can refuse to answer or lie.
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I do kinda wish idols weren't out in the open. I'd rather them hide clues to idols hidden at camp or challenges, etc. Or have less idols in general. I want to see more advantages like the "Safety with Power" or the "50/50"
I'd like more easy-to-find clues to Idols that are hidden in really hard to get places. Like the one under the sleeping platform on Edge Island. Except that went pretty easily, so the editing would lead us to believe.

I'm enjoying this season, and Tony is amazing!
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I'd like more easy-to-find clues to Idols that are hidden in really hard to get places. Like the one under the sleeping platform on Edge Island. Except that went pretty easily, so the editing would lead us to believe.

I'm enjoying this season, and Tony is amazing!
I think my favorite was James in Survivor: China getting the clue that the idol was part of their sign. And then when he got to the other camp figured that their idol was in the same place.

...and then getting voted out with two idols.
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Did Amber even try to do the coconut race?
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Did Amber even try to do the coconut race?
Yeah, they all did at the start. I don't know why Adam didn't give up. Once you get one down, you might as well stop.
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AAARGH KIM WHY. $2M mistake stepping down for those cookies and PB. So dumb.

Tony is obviously the favorite this point, it's just a question if he can keep all the plates spinning. He's doing a good job balancing his different alliances... and has also discovered it's a lot easier to make moves when you win the immunity necklace. If he makes to the end, he wins; only question is whether the others take him out or not.

If Tony does go home, things look up for Sarah, Jeremy (though he might get in trouble for being on the bottom so much and sticking because others shielded him) and the EoE returnee.

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I agree. I was glad that for the whispering that 1) both Jeff and some of the Survivors were starting to get annoyed with it, and 2) they subtitled a lot of it so you could actually tell what was being said. But they really need to have a hard-line rule on what you can say/do when the time comes to interrupt and play advantadges and HIIs.

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I agree, and I think that's probably coming. But yes, it was SO much better to have the whispering subtitled! Night and day.

It would have been cruel, but pretty funny, if no one actually got to eat the food they stepped down for, given that Probst did say they could only eat until the challenge was over--and the process of people stepping down ended the challenge immediately!
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Just a reminder that it's a 2 hour episode tonight (I'm guessing 2 tribals as well)
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Perhaps the return from Extinction as well tonight? I hate to see anyone over there go home permanently. My fav. players are definitely over there.

I'm hoping for Yul, Ethan, or Tyson to come back. Probably in that order of preference.
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I really hope and expect that the rest of the tribe immediately votes out whoever comes back from Extinction. Because if there's another Chris Underwood situation, I'll be very unhappy.
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IIRC, On the original EoE, Chris Underwood returned on the finale night. I expect the same thing to happen this season. So two vote-offs tonight to get to 5 players, and then someone to return at the beginning of the finale. Basically starting the finale at 5+1 players.
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After the 2nd TC, with 15 minutes to go into the 2 hour episode, I foolishly thought we were going to have the EoE Challenge to get back in the game.

Then we had 15 minutes that were a bigger waste of time since the Loved Ones visit.

Barely an attempt to vote out Sara and Tony?
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Yeah, I don't understand the failure to target them, Tony especially. As I said on Twitter, Michele may have been trying to manipulate Sarah by saying no one can beat Tony at FTC, but that doesn't mean it's not true!


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I really hope and expect that the rest of the tribe immediately votes out whoever comes back from Extinction. Because if there's another Chris Underwood situation, I'll be very unhappy.

Especially if it's Natalie, given how long she has been there (I would have been okay with Rick Devens winning last time we had EoE). As she bought three advantages, has a bellyful of peanut butter, and might be the best athlete out there, she has a great chance to come back, and of course just like Chris she has a lot of friends on the jury. Her (or anyone who has spent much time on EoE) winning would really ruin an otherwise great season.

Right now though I'm just psyched that Michele won immunity right when she was being targeted for elimination. This is just what happened in the season she won: she went on an immunity run at the end when she needed it. Fingers crossed...
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Old 05-07-2020, 07:07 AM
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My thoughts on Tony are... Maybe the players think Tony won't get the jury votes. Otherwise it makes no sense to let him stay.
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For me, the perfect finale would be Tony beating Natalie in a close vote. It justifies EoE but doesn't negate the main game.
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Old 05-07-2020, 10:21 AM
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The parchment reads:

* Follow a rope through a fence obstacle and then a post obstacle.
First Advantage: Skip the fence obstacle.

* Dig up a rope rung.
Second Advantage: Skip the dig, rope rung is waiting for you.

* Build a rope bridge and cross it.
Third Advantage: 1/3 of your rope bridge is already completed.

* Maneuver two balls through a table maze.


Two Tokens: Buys you the first advantage.

Four Tokens: Buys you the first and second advantages.

Six Tokens: Buys you all three advantages.

Check how many you would like to buy.


Hidden Immunity Idol: 6 tokens
This idol only gains power if you get back into...
It may be given or sold to another player on...
But you must do so before the challenge
...can be brought back into...


I think that last line starts with "Only one idol" but I can't catch the frame on pause and in slow motion it really looks like "If anyone."
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Old 05-07-2020, 12:35 PM
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After the 2nd TC, with 15 minutes to go into the 2 hour episode, I foolishly thought we were going to have the EoE Challenge to get back in the game.

Then we had 15 minutes that were a bigger waste of time since the Loved Ones visit.
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say. That last 15 minutes was a whole lotta nothing.

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My thoughts on Tony are... Maybe the players think Tony won't get the jury votes. Otherwise it makes no sense to let him stay.
I think Sarah truly believes she will beat Tony in a jury vote. Ben and Denise? I dunno. Maybe Denise thinks ousting Sandra was a 2 million dollar move, but a one-line resume isn’t going to get many votes. Ben and Denise could have completely flipped the game by teaming with Michele and Nick. I suppose they still can, but time is running out.

Speaking of Nick… While he couldn’t have predicted that playing the challenge disadvantage against Ben would hand immunity to Michele, he should have realized that either he or Michele would be targeted by the majority. In fact, Michele emphatically told him exactly that, and all he could do was stare at her blankly. The smart play would have been to go to Sarah for the tokens he needed and play the disadvantage against Michele. This would have kept him in the game, as well as getting him an in with Sarah, which may have been valuable later on.
Instead, he declared himself a genius after engineering his own demise.
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Old 05-07-2020, 12:52 PM
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I felt a bit cheated by the recap too, but was reading elsewhere that apparently it was going to be a normal one hour episode (with two Tribal Councils) and they instead decided to stretch it into two hours with some more normal footage and the big recap. If that's the case, and it saves the recap from taking up time in the finale, I guess that's okay... but this late in the game I wish we could just have full episodes.

I agree that I think it's crazy that no one has targeted Tony aside from Sandra and Kim. And he still hasn't received a SINGLE vote. He's really done an amazing job of making himself an important part of every alliance, but still, these vets should know better. Sarah is kidding herself if she thinks she'll beat Tony in a vote - Tony is clearly the driver and demonstrated that with the Sophie blindside.

I'm worried Natalie will come back from EoE and win though with all her advantages. I still think EoE is unfair (as it immensely helps the social game by 1) avoiding needing to play the real game and vote people out and 2) you get to mingle with all the jury members), but being on the island first and getting all the advantages makes it even more unfair. Yes, Natalie's smart and a good player, but stuff like last night's knowing the island comes only from being voted out earlier rather than later.
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