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Old 04-10-2020, 08:44 AM
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How can Biden cater to the left and centrists at the same time?


It seems obvious that if a majority of people wanted what Bernie was pushing he'd be the nominee.

But, Progressive Groups Demand Changes From Joe Biden After Bernie Sanders’ Withdrawal.

The leftist and centrists viewpoints don't seem terribly compatible. Republicans are much more unified. I assume that if Biden doesn't cater to the left, that this will have consequences, but what? And what can he do about it.
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:14 AM
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I think having Obamas at his side as he continues his campaign is far and away the best thing he can do. Appointing young progressives to key positions in his campaign and cabinet will be another important decision. Pledging to support some sort of comprehensive medical reform bill, infrastructure, education, blah blah blah.... all the usual stuff that people want to hear will help. Progressive ideas are good and I would love for him to endorse the bulk of them, but with appropriate social distancing to avoid losing the core middle of the road democrats who are the overwhelming constituency of the Dem voting block. I'm just not convinced that young people will turn out to vote in the numbers that these activist groups claim. If they did, Bernie would be the nominee left standing.
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:17 AM
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There are tons of ideas that appeal to both groups -- emphasize those. His platform already includes several -- min wage increase, climate change stuff, union strengthening stuff, etc.

But this isn't really about platform or policies -- Matt Yglesias wrote an article recently (no link handy) arguing that the left doesn't really trust Biden to carry out what he says he wants to. I'm not sure how to address that, but I've recommended before a VP that they do trust. I think there are a few possibilities, including Abrams and Warren, and maybe a few others.

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He better forget the progressives. He's got the nomination - it's time to run back to the center.

Climate change and minimum wage increases are losing issues. We will (God willing) be starting to climb up out of recession come November, and "I am going to choke off the recovery with green pie in the sky" is a losing proposition. Maybe better to stick to how he is going to speed up the recovery. Trouble is, if he wants to do what Obama did, it's already been done. A $4T deficit is not much better than a $3T one.

He should push the public option for Medicare and hope nobody can count.

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This is the age of targeted ads. You can say one thing to one group of people, and something else to another group.
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"I'm not Trump." should be all he needs. If anything more is required, we're a stupid, stupid country.
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Climate change and minimum wage increases are losing issues.
I don't think so. If we learned anything in 2016 it's that promises are more important than delivering.

Plus, progress could be made on both issues without hurting the recovery. In fact, both could help.
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Biden needs to campaign on healthcare in a way that really strengthens the exchanges and offers a public option. Perhaps he could actually expand the eligibility of medicare/medicaid in ways that bypass states.
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asahi has it (and Shodan in his backhanded way). Health care is the message, and this pandemic will only focus on that. He already has huge leads on that issue, even in polls that are less favorable to him than others. Emphasize that not only does Trump not want to expand coverage, but that he overrode the recommendation of experts by not opening up enrollment during the pandemic. He is actively trying to eliminate ACA coverage through the courts. He has no plan for covering folks in a way that would actually help during a crisis like this. That is a message that appeals to both centrists and leftists.

You can add in some minimal student loan forgiveness for low-income students if you want. That generally polls pretty well (as long as it's not a blanket amnesty). Minimum wage hike also polls well (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...to-15-an-hour/), even if it might not be the best policy.
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It'll be a difficult balancing act for Biden, soothing the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic Party while convincing moderate/independent voters that he won't wipe out private health plans and explode the deficit in a way that will make Trump look like a fiscal conservative.

Maybe he can find a way to present himself as Reassuring Uncle Joe, telling the country that we can have everything we want and need, merely by making sure that the Extremely Rich Pay Their Fair Share.

He's not Trump, which is a major advantage all by itself.
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A platform is worthless.. It's just text. It's always "progressive" and the minute they are elected, its back to right-winged bullshit.
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It'll be a difficult balancing act for Biden, soothing the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic Party while convincing moderate/independent voters that he won't wipe out private health plans and explode the deficit in a way that will make Trump look like a fiscal conservative.
If he just keeps on being Biden (to, presumably, soothe the ‘Biden’ wing) while Warren just keeps on being Warren (presumably, “soothing the Sanders/Warren wing”), how do you figure a Biden/Warren ticket would fare?
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A platform is worthless.. It's just text. It's always "progressive" and the minute they are elected, its back to right-winged bullshit.
Maybe I'm getting old and conservative, but I think we have to stop expecting the federal government to be an instrument of revolution. I want them to 1) step up in a crisis and 2) manage the day-to-day operation of the government honestly, competently and without drama.

So, I'd be happy with expanded ACA, good people at the State Department and EPA, and decent judicial appointments. Increasing the minimum wage would be good too. You might consider that "right wing bullshit," but it works for me.
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Biden/Warren would be the ideal ticket, IMO.
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"I'm not Trump." should be all he needs. If anything more is required, we're a stupid, stupid country.
"If you don't vote for me, you're stupid" is a major reason why we don't hear a lot about President Hillary, but you do you.

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Biden/Warren would be the ideal ticket, IMO.
Can't have 2 people over 70 .
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Biden/Warren would be the ideal ticket, IMO.
20 years ago, perhaps. Today, Biden needs some (relative) youth on the ticket.
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That is the fundamental Democratic dilemma. There are enough votes to elect a Democratic president, but you need all of them. Tack too far to the left and the centrists vote Republican. Tack too far to the center and the lefties go green and the blacks stay home. So mostly, the Dems only win when a Republican president has screwed the pooch so bad that one group or the other holds their nose and pulls the "D" lever. Kinda like now.
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"Solid Liberals" according to pew, now make up about 25% of all voters. So about half of all democratic voters are progressives now.

Having said that, I don't know if Biden can build credibility among the left. He can say anything, but I don't think a lot of us expect him to deliver any of it. Honestly a lot of us never expected Sanders to deliver much, but at least Sanders would try. Biden won't even try, he will give up before the fight begins so his promises aren't really important. Of all the candidates running, Warren seemed like she was the most able to get things done since she has a list of policy agendas she felt she could do via the executive branch.

As far as swing voters in the suburbs (college educated whites who are turned off by the GOPs authoritarianism and racism) I am hoping they aren't turned off by Bidens positions.

Hopefully Biden can just talk about positions that both the left and suburban whites can agree on. Public options, health reform, $15 minimum wage, reforming wall street, becoming carbon neutral by 2050, etc.
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That will be enough for those who vote in every election. It won’t be enough for those who sometimes chose to stay home.
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Biden today came out with 2 big offers to left. Dropping Medicare age from 65 to 60 and a program to forgive college debt for middle & lower class families. This is a good starting point.

Warren is not a great choice for the ticket. There are enough younger candidates not to go with someone over 70 already.
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Warren is not a great choice for the ticket. There are enough younger candidates not to go with someone over 70 already.
I hope his advisors are not pulling any punches and are telling him to go with someone younger. Joe is old but worse than that, Joe looks old and frail. Bernie looks healthier and he had a heart attack not too long ago.
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Biden today came out with 2 big offers to left. Dropping Medicare age from 65 to 60 and a program to forgive college debt for middle & lower class families. This is a good starting point.

Warren is not a great choice for the ticket. There are enough younger candidates not to go with someone over 70 already.
The college loan thing isn't bad,

but the medicare thing doesn't make any sense. He is offering to let people buy into medicare at 60.

Thats what a public option is, but the public option is for everyone of all ages. Thats why Buttigieg called it 'medicare for all who wanted it'. Medicare is cheaper than private insurance because it offers lower reimbursements and has lower administrative costs. The public option is taking the network of plans like medicare or medicaid, and letting people buy into it and enjoy that insurance.

His plan sounds like he didn't think it through. The option to buy into medicare at age 60 is basically the same thing as saying 'I'll let people age 60-64 buy into a public option' which is vastly inferior to a public option which anyone can buy into.

Now if Biden had said medicare became the mandatory insurance policy for everyone over the age of 55 or 60, that would be different. Medicare becomes the mandatory insurance for everyone over age 65. Once you hit 65 you are on medicare, you pay the premiums and you enjoy the insurance. You can opt for medicare advantage, but the medicare system becomes mandatory at the age of 65. If Biden wants to lower the mandatory medicare age to 50, 55, 60, etc, thats fine. We'd have to raise taxes to do that, which is fine. I'd be happy to pay a 4-5% payroll tax instead of the 2.9% payroll tax if it meant everyone got medicare at age 50.

I think Biden will get push back for this policy idea because it shows he really don't even understand his own policy ideas.

Also, the idea that only the elderly can buy into medicare is also kind of a giveaway to private insurance companies. Private insurance companies only want to cover the wealthy and the healthy. People past a certain age group have expensive health problems. So Biden may be criticized for only letting people who private insurance doesn't want to cover buy into medicare.
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I think the best thing the Biden/VP campaigns can do is joint appearances* with every Democrat running for Representative or Senator. Let each candidate give their own pitches, but they all need to emphasis that we need everyone to get stuff done.

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"I am going to choke off the recovery with green pie in the sky" is a losing proposition.
How about "I am going to jump start the economy with a huge push to build green infrastructure"?

This whole 'it's the environment against the economy' bit is nonsense. Damaging the environment will damage the economy; and there's lots of potential economic benefit in the work necessary to prevent/minimize environmental damage.

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Biden/Warren would be the ideal ticket, IMO.
There are at least two very strong reasons not to do that:

For one, two white people in their 70's isn't currently a super strong ticket. And it plays very much into the hands of the people trying to claim that the Democrats will just be more of the same same so it's not worth turning out. Biden, at his age, needs somebody younger (and, ideally, not also from the Northeast.)

For two: Warren's in the Senate and is not up for re-election till 2024. That's an absolutely guaranteed safe D seat -- so long as she stays there. Not if she's pulled out of there to be VP; remember Scott Brown. And we're going to need every D seat we can get.
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It'll be a difficult balancing act for Biden, soothing the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic Party while convincing moderate/independent voters that he won't wipe out private health plans and explode the deficit in a way that will make Trump look like a fiscal conservative.

Maybe he can find a way to present himself as Reassuring Uncle Joe, telling the country that we can have everything we want and need, merely by making sure that the Extremely Rich Pay Their Fair Share.

He's not Trump, which is a major advantage all by itself.
One of the problems that M4A had all along was that it would inevitably require a massive tax hike, which makes pols and peeps a little nervous during times of "growth." The Bernistas never wanted to accept that there just wasn't the kind of political will across the entire population to make this happen. There's more political will now with a massive epidemic and massive unemployment than there was 8 weeks ago, but it's still not clear whether or not there's quite enough outrage to be the rocket fuel that makes a public health scheme takeoff politically.

At the same time, I think there's never been a better time to make people think about healthcare than now. We're in the middle of a pretty nasty pandemic and probably a third of the country's population is facing economic distress, and that number could rise before too long. Politics is not just ideas, but the timing of those ideas. I don't think Biden has a mandate for a healthcare revolution and it would be a mistake to assume that, but I think he needs to show that he gets the gravity of the moment. He needs some kind of Obamacare Plus or "Bernie Light." Otherwise he will reaffirm to a lot of people that he's an old dude who lacks vision and imagination, but worse than that, he risks sending the message that he lacks courage.
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I hope his advisors are not pulling any punches and are telling him to go with someone younger. Joe is old but worse than that, Joe looks old and frail. Bernie looks healthier and he had a heart attack not too long ago.
On the surface, it sounds like a good idea to steal someone like Gretchen Whitmer from Michigan, but I think it's something that wouldn't serve the party well. I'd rather have Whitmer staying put in Michigan and defending the party at the state level than to have her press conferences look like an audition for a veep spot when a state's trying to recover from a health and economic crisis.

The veep decision may make or break Joe and unfortunately, there are no obvious choices.
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While I agree, Hillary Clinton had a very negative strategy... and she lost.
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"I'm not Trump." should be all he needs. If anything more is required, we're a stupid, stupid country.
More than 60 million Americans heard that message from Clinton and reacted "Yeah, you're not Trump. We like Trump! We don't like you. #MAGA." And thanks to the electoral college their votes have extra weight.

Biden needs more.
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Joe is old but worse than that, Joe looks old and frail. Bernie looks healthier and he had a heart attack not too long ago.
Bernie actually doesn't look healthier to me. He can't stand up straight; and he's got very much an old man's voice.

That's kind of moot at this point, though.
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More than 60 million Americans heard that message from Clinton and reacted "Yeah, you're not Trump. We like Trump! We don't like you. #MAGA." And thanks to the electoral college their votes have extra weight.

Biden needs more.
It does bear pointing out that the horrors of a trump administration were, at that time, merely hypothetical. We've seen the reality. Does anybody really want to see the next season of this shitshow? Drump unplugged? (Was he even plugged in the first place?)

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While I agree, Hillary Clinton had a very negative strategy... and she lost.
If only the Democratic candidate could secure more votes than the Republican and have it actually matter... Ha, ha, ha, what a fairy tale.

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That wasn't what he said. If you're going to paraphrase, quote, or whatever another poster, at least sum up the post succinctly, and without adding your own invective, please.
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There are tons of ideas that appeal to both groups -- emphasize those. His platform already includes several -- min wage increase, climate change stuff, union strengthening stuff, etc.

But this isn't really about platform or policies -- Matt Yglesias wrote an article recently (no link handy) arguing that the left doesn't really trust Biden to carry out what he says he wants to. I'm not sure how to address that, but I've recommended before a VP that they do trust. I think there are a few possibilities, including Abrams and Warren, and maybe a few others.
Most presidents at least try to do what they campaigned on during the general election. Most candidates tack to the center during the general election because they drifted so far left during the primary but Biden was getting as far right as a Democratic candidate could on many issues because there was so much traffic on the left. I suspect he might tack to the left and claim he is just compromising with the progressives.

I don't know at what point he starts losing swing voters to pick up progressive votes (which do in fact exist in swing states but you can normally count on to vote Democrat except in this election against Trump because some of them want to teach us a lesson about taking them seriously or something).
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He better forget the progressives. He's got the nomination - it's time to run back to the center.
He ran to the center during the primaries. I suspect he may drift left during the general on some issues (and to the center on others).

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Climate change and minimum wage increases are losing issues.
The Green New Deal is a losing issue but moderate changes to move us towards lower carbon emissions, rejoining the global community (e.g. paris accord), cafeteria standards.

Increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour is a losing issue but trying to increase is to maybe $10 might not be a losing issue. Let's get rid of tips minimum wand get rid of tipping while we're at it.

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We will (God willing) be starting to climb up out of recession come November, and "I am going to choke off the recovery with green pie in the sky" is a losing proposition. Maybe better to stick to how he is going to speed up the recovery. Trouble is, if he wants to do what Obama did, it's already been done. A $4T deficit is not much better than a $3T one.
After the 2 trillion dollar stimulus, I think we have abandoned the notion of fiscal conservatism. Now it's just a matter of what form the stimulus takes.

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He needs to not talk about gun control.

In my observation, gun control as it stands today is a "centrist" position as opposed to a "left" position, if we're taking "left" to mean "the people who really would rather have Bernie Sanders." Gun control is for suburban soccer moms and middle to upper class East Coast professionals. Over the past few years - and I predicted this would happen when Trump, a blatant authoritarian, became president - many of the farther-left people have changed their position on gun control (sometimes to the point of actually buying guns and publicly announcing their intent to do so.) You don't need a sociology degree to figure this one out. They're scared. Not scared in an abstract way, scared in a "I might actually need to physically defend myself from a mob of right-wing bigots" way.

Over the past years I've seen Facebook friends buying guns who - if they told me 4 years ago that they were doing so - I would be waiting in anticipation of a punch line for what I would bet every last cent to my name was the setup to some kind of joke. Not anymore.

This phenomenon is totally separate from the already existing gun owners in America whose voting choice is influenced largely or even entirely by this issue. Now some of these people are actually up for grabs, given how deeply polarizing Trump is. It would not be the case if Mitt Romney was taking on Joe Biden. But the old books have been thrown out.

Joe - stop talking about guns.
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I don't know if gun control is really an issue. I mean on the right when you mention gun control the right wing base throws a fit, but I think a lot of other people understand gun control just means background checks, limits on certain types of firearms.

Maybe, maybe, there are some on the left who would balk at a ban on semi auto rifles like the AR-15. But other than that I don't think they'd really balk at gun control that makes universal background checks or limits magazines, or prohibits sales to people convicted of violent misdemeanors.

But reasonable gun control won't limit the sales of shotguns, handguns or bolt action rifles. It may affect semi auto rifles though, which may cause some issues.
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I was wondering if you might list some of, or even one of, your favorite Trump shining moments as (so-caled) president. You know, that thing he got done, that other thing he got done. He's had to have a bunch of them, hasn't he? What's your favorite?
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I don't know if gun control is really an issue. I mean on the right when you mention gun control the right wing base throws a fit, but I think a lot of other people understand gun control just means background checks, limits on certain types of firearms.

Maybe, maybe, there are some on the left who would balk at a ban on semi auto rifles like the AR-15. But other than that I don't think they'd really balk at gun control that makes universal background checks or limits magazines, or prohibits sales to people convicted of violent misdemeanors.

But reasonable gun control won't limit the sales of shotguns, handguns or bolt action rifles. It may affect semi auto rifles though, which may cause some issues.
I am a gun owner and I have no problem with the kind of gun control you’re talking about there.

Of course I’m not a gun nut either.
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He needs to not talk about gun control.

In my observation, gun control as it stands today is a "centrist" position as opposed to a "left" position, if we're taking "left" to mean "the people who really would rather have Bernie Sanders." Gun control is for suburban soccer moms and middle to upper class East Coast professionals. Over the past few years - and I predicted this would happen when Trump, a blatant authoritarian, became president - many of the farther-left people have changed their position on gun control (sometimes to the point of actually buying guns and publicly announcing their intent to do so.) You don't need a sociology degree to figure this one out. They're scared. Not scared in an abstract way, scared in a "I might actually need to physically defend myself from a mob of right-wing bigots" way.

Over the past years I've seen Facebook friends buying guns who - if they told me 4 years ago that they were doing so - I would be waiting in anticipation of a punch line for what I would bet every last cent to my name was the setup to some kind of joke. Not anymore.

This phenomenon is totally separate from the already existing gun owners in America whose voting choice is influenced largely or even entirely by this issue. Now some of these people are actually up for grabs, given how deeply polarizing Trump is. It would not be the case if Mitt Romney was taking on Joe Biden. But the old books have been thrown out.

Joe - stop talking about guns.
It's pretty clear that gun control is a losing issue in swing states. At least for the time being.

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I don't know if gun control is really an issue. I mean on the right when you mention gun control the right wing base throws a fit, but I think a lot of other people understand gun control just means background checks, limits on certain types of firearms.

Maybe, maybe, there are some on the left who would balk at a ban on semi auto rifles like the AR-15. But other than that I don't think they'd really balk at gun control that makes universal background checks or limits magazines, or prohibits sales to people convicted of violent misdemeanors.

But reasonable gun control won't limit the sales of shotguns, handguns or bolt action rifles. It may affect semi auto rifles though, which may cause some issues.
It will cost net votes.

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I am a gun owner and I have no problem with the kind of gun control you’re talking about there.

Of course I’m not a gun nut either.
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

There is a long list of things. Some of these I agree with, some of these I don't.

In either event, I don't think it is a good electoral strategy to beat this particular drum so much.

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Just running 'I'm not Trump' won't get the job done. People want something to vote FOR, not just against. That's how Obama (and Trump) won and it's how Hillary lost.

An electoral argument should really come down to hammering 2 or 3 big things. I'd posit:

1. Public Option. Biden's not going to do away with Obamacare. He's got too much of himself wrapped up in it - and respect for Obama - to do so. But modifying it so there's an opt-in to Medicare or some public option? Yeah, he could do that.
2. Hammer taxation issues. Talk incessantly about how corporations and the 1% - really the 0.1% - are receiving benefits while not paying them. Just hammer that he's the one who will stand up and say the middle and lower classes shouldn't pay the freight so others don't have to. Mention what we don't have because those taxes aren't being paid.

Hammer those. Hammer them.

Biden/Warren is a stupid fucking ticket. Aside from the age issue - which is real - we'd lose a Senate seat and we sure as shit can't afford to lose even one. Plus, it's the opportunity for Biden to set a bit of a course for the next generation of top tier democratic party leaders. Whomever he chooses will have influence as the baby boomers ride off into the sunset.
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"If you don't vote for me, you're stupid" is a major reason why we don't hear a lot about President Hillary, but you do you.
No it isn't. And that's not what Clinton said. And that's not what anyone in this thread said. But you do you.
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The smartest thing that Biden and his top staff should do is wake up every morning and remember that Twitter isn’t real life. It would be nice if journalists would do the same.

But, the campaign can’t let itself get distracted by what’s trending on liberal Twitter, which is far more liberal, much younger and very urban. There’s no need to mollycoddle Warren/Bernie supporters who won’t accept any compromise except full student loan cancellation, for example. They may be loud, but they are already heavily concentrated in blue states anyway and are the most fickle of voters. They’ll be some box that Biden won’t check on their 10,000 question purity test and thus they end up staying home or throwing their vote away on a 3rd part or write in.
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It seems obvious that if a majority of people wanted what Bernie was pushing he'd be the nominee.

But, Progressive Groups Demand Changes From Joe Biden After Bernie Sanders’ Withdrawal.

The leftist and centrists viewpoints don't seem terribly compatible. Republicans are much more unified. I assume that if Biden doesn't cater to the left, that this will have consequences, but what? And what can he do about it.
Actually it isn't obvious at all. Many Democratic "centrists" (Democratic voters, not politicians) are actually very left-wing but consider themselves "pragmatists" who will vote for the "electable" candidate. The problem is that the "electable" candidate usually loses. This isn't terribly surprising considering that what establishment Democrats and the media push as "electable" isn't terribly popular (kissing the corporate shoe, cheering on Republican wars, etc.). There hasn't been a Democratic president in decades that has actually made the working class a priority. But the sheeple keep nodding their heads about what they're told constitutes electability even when the "electable" candidates keep losing.
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No it isn't. And that's not what Clinton said. And that's not what anyone in this thread said. But you do you.
Yes, it actually is a major reason. But that's much of the problem from the far left in the US - that sometimes entertaining, sometimes alarming mixture of tone-deafness and arrogant condescension that they expect will win elections.

Not only do they not know how they come across, they apparently don't want to know.

To answer the question of the OP, simply dismissing as irrelevant or unworthy anyone who isn't convinced already is not how Biden can cater to the left and centrists at the same time. He will actually have to make his case, in whatever fumble-mouthed rambling way he can. Because centrists are not automatically going to vote for him because he isn't Trump.

"He's not Bush" is also one of the main reasons no one looks back on the Presidency of John Kerry either, but nobody on the SDMB wants to think about that either, apparently.

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IF he asked me, which he won't, I'd suggest a commitment to popular, easily attainable goals. $15/hour isn't happening, but it is probably time to increase the minimum wage and perhaps build in annual increases based on some appropriate economic standard. A commitment to rebuilding infrastructure could stimulate the economy by providing lots of new jobs. Perhaps some federal incentive for recycling programs--which could also create some jobs. More development of wind and solar power. That sort of thing.
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