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Old 04-19-2020, 03:41 PM
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Nfl draft 2020


Well, with the virus doing it's thing, I've found I have a lot more time on my hands. While I should be using it to develop an interesting hobby (woodworking, anyone?), instead I've been reading about this years' NFL Draft. With so many sports events cancelled, the NFL should be in a good position to get a lot of eyes on their Draft, even though all the live festivities are shut down.

Some overall thoughts:

1) Medical issues will be a huge influence on this draft. Teams don't have the ability to have their doctors check out prospects, so guys like Tua Tagovailoa (who likely would have been a top 2 pick had he not gotten injured) and Laviska Shenault Jr could really drop if teams aren't comfortable with the risk.

2) The Dolphins will be a fun team to watch, but only for the NFL Draft. They sold off almost all of their talented young players and now have three first round draft picks, 2 second rounders, and 14 picks overall. Sure, they will be horrible to watch if there are actual games this fall, but the draft day will be their time to shine.

3) On the flip side, the Bears don't have a first round pick, have two second round picks, and then don't pick again until the 5th round. They really have to hit on those second rounders.

4) Without Al Davis, the Raiders get a little less interesting. Although last year they shocked people at #4 by taking Clellin Ferrell (4.5 sacks) and passing on Josh Allen (10.5 sacks and a Pro Bowl berth), so we can have fun watching Jon Gruden again.


Each year, I pick out "my guys" (guys I think will succeed and who will offer more value than where they might be drafted), "your guys" (players I think will either bust or be underperformers relative to their draft position), and my favorite named guys. So here you go:


MY GUYS:

1st Round

Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia
Tristan Wirfs, OT, Iowa

Isiah Simmons, LB, Clemson – he's fun as hell to watch with mad versatility.


2nd Round

Brandon Aiyuk, WR, Arizona – A bit short, but long arms and good separation and speed.
Marlon Davidson, DE/DT, Auburn – If only for this quote: “What do I love most about the game? I love most about the game is that — this is true now, OK, this is true — I love most about the game that I can literally go out there and hit a man consistently and pound him, and the police not come. That is the most enjoyable moment about ball, to just go out there and really abuse somebody, and they won’t say nothing about it in the press or anything. I ain’t on no headlines, in handcuffs, no mugshots, no nothing. I’m out here just physically abusing my man.”

3rd Round

Antione Winfield Jr., S, Minnesota
Josh Uche, DL, Michigan

4th Round

Jonah Jackson, G, Ohio State
Geno Stone, S, Iowa

5th Round

Tyler Johnson, WR, Minn – Just gets open.
Logan Wilson, LB, Wyoming
Alex Highsmith, Edge, Charlotte

6th Round

Isaiah Hodgins, WR, Oregon State
James Morgan, QB, FIU - draft a quarterback EVERY YEAR.


7th Round

Antonio Gibson, RB, Memphis
McTelvin Agim, DT, Ark


YOUR GUYS:

Any QB drafted in the first round not named Joe or Tua. I'm iffy on Tua because of his health, but I consider Herbert, Love, and Eason to be way over-valued in the first round.

Jalen Hurts, QB, Oklahoma
Mekhi Becton, OT, Louisville
Raekwon Davis, DI, Alabama
K'Lavon Chaisson, DE, LSU
Antonio Golden Gandy, WR, Liberty
Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor
Henry Ruggs, WR, Alabama
Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame
Grant Delpit, S, LSU

FAVORITE NAMES:

Joey Magnifico
Lloyd Cushenberry III,
Lamar Jackson & AJ Green
Jalen Hurts
Mason Fine
Nigel Warrior
Maurice Ffrench
Michael Divinity

So, is anyone else interested in the NFL Draft this year? Has the free time the virus given us made you more, or less, interested in it? Who are your guys? Let's hear from you.
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Old 04-20-2020, 01:09 PM
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Joey Magnifico is wasting his time - he should be looking to become a WWE superstar with that name. He could tag team with Fandango. They could come out to the middle section of Bohemian Rhapsody. They could call the team Thunderbolts and Lightning.

Jack in football, Joey. Have a word with Rob Gronkowski
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Old 04-20-2020, 08:46 PM
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I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I've been hella busy this month and I'm not even an "essential" worker, my company simply standardized on remote work a long time ago and things are operating as usual....but with even more meetings and emails for some reason. So I'm as low-information going into a draft as I ever have been. Since the Bears don't have a lot of picks I'm even more disincentivized.

I have tried to bone up on the QBs since that's what the mainstream media have talked about most and I did see enough of the games to form an opinion. Quick thoughts.

Joe Burrow - Honestly, I'm trying to nitpick this guy and figure out where he goes wrong and I just don't see it. Maybe he's not a perfect physical specimen. maybe he's a little bit of a one hit wonder, maybe he's benefited from a loaded roster....but the tape is fucking amazing. I have to expect that he's as close to a can't miss as a QB prospect can be.

Tua Tagovailoa - This guy is a total 180 from Burrow for me. I simply don't see the hype at all. Even before the injury I was not sold on him. People talk about him like he's Russell Wilson or Lamar Jackson and he's not even close to the same kind of playmaker. He's more Brees than Wilson. He's undersized. And he did look like a guy who to me was coasting a bit on the talent and program around him. I wouldn't take him in the top 10 and I would be uncomfortable taking him in the top 20.

Justin Herbert - This is a guy that you see in every draft. Looks like he was built to play QB...size, arm, athleticism, the whole package, but the tape didn't really match up. I'd take a flyer on him in the late first round for sure and wouldn't be shocked if he's taken over Tua with the injury questions...but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's a disappointment. I'm not sure what the comp is for him, Cutler? Palmer? Mariota? Stafford? Flacco? Wentz? Darnold?

Jordan Love - The 2019 tape on this guy is pretty dismal. But one thing I pay close attention to in the Combine is how the QB's throw to the WRs. Obvious I know, but specifically I want to see how catchable the balls are. Do the WRs have to reach? Are there a lot of bobbles? Hows the pace on the easy throws? Are the balls perfectly on schedule or are they being forced to make toe taps on sidelines? Do they need to adjust to over the should throws or is it right in the bucket? Lots of college QBs have amazing arms and good completion stats but when they are tossing it around during the Combine you can see the WRs working a bit even if the balls aren't hitting the ground. I bring this up because at the Combine Love's balls were almost flawless. It's almost as if his balls were magnetically drawn to the WRs hands. No arms extended, never a hint of drama, nothing hit the dirt. The tape shows some issues with decision making, but I think he has the chops. If he's there in the mid-second round (he won't be) I'd love to see the Bears take a shot.

Speaking of the Bears....this off-season has been something of a shit show. They have really mortgaged the future in terms of both draft capital and salaries. I won't derail the thread too much, but the one that stands out to me is signing the corpse of Jimmy Graham to a huge deal and then subsequently cutting Trey Burton and eating a bunch of dead cap. I mean, this looks like a act of confusion and desperation. Pace competed against himself for Burton 2 years ago and did it again with Graham.....and a lot of people think he's eyeing another TE in this draft. If he does that, shit is on. I got my pitchforks ready.

Where should we spend our limited draft capital? For my money it's QB, QB, QB. I think the odds are poor, Pace knows that if Foles isn't the answer his job if forfeit so planning for the future isn't in the cards. We're in serious need of help all across the OL and the defensive secondary is full of holes. If we get two starting OLs from those 2 second round picks that would be an absolute godsend. We'll see.
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Old 04-20-2020, 09:38 PM
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While my main interest is seeing who the Packers draft, and if they can get any good receiving help for Rodgers, my other interest is seeing if the son of a friend of mine gets drafted.

Connor Kaegi played QB and punted at Ottawa, an NAIA school in Kansas. He won several awards, but his pro day was cancelled a few hours before it was supposed to happen, due to the coronavirus. He's a longshot to get drafted, but he hopes to get a shot at going to training camp with an NFL team as an undrafted free agent.

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Old 04-23-2020, 02:22 PM
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This is the first year in like maybe 16 years that I didn't get very into the draft. I actually haven't looked into it at all - no mock drafts, no college game tape, no scouting reports. I'm not sure if being a dedicated fan to a laughing stock of a team finally got to me after two decades or if my interest in football was going to naturally wane. I'll still watch the draft, but I won't really know much about it.

Browns may be working on trading for Washington LT Trent Williams, which I'd support if they can get him for the right price. If they don't, they might end up taking an OT at 10. Don't sleep on the Browns o-line this year, they picked up Bill Callahan and are hopefully investing significantly into it. Chubb is going to have a big year.

Apparently ESPN and NFL network are going to simulcast the same broadcast. I hope they go with NFL network's coverage rather than ESPN because it was always way better. But apparently it's airing from ESPN studios, so it'll probably have the ESPN dumbness.

Various sites say the draft will be available to be streamed online on nfl.com, espn.com, and their various apps, but doesn't make clear if that means it's a free broadcast or if you'll have to sign in with your cable credentials. Anyone know if there will be free coverage you can stream?

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Old 04-23-2020, 02:32 PM
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Apparently ESPN and NFL network are going to simulcast the same broadcast. I hope they go with NFL network's coverage rather than ESPN because it was always way better. But apparently it's airing from ESPN studios, so it'll probably have the ESPN dumbness.

Various sites say the draft will be available to be streamed online on nfl.com, espn.com, and their various apps, but doesn't make clear if that means it's a free broadcast or if you'll have to sign in with your cable credentials. Anyone know if there will be free coverage you can stream?
It's going to be on ABC as well.

Looks like all the streaming options require a cable service.
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Apparently, Todd McShay will be missing from the draft coverage because he's recovering from ... coronavirus.
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This is the first year in like maybe 16 years that I didn't get very into the draft. I actually haven't looked into it at all - no mock drafts, no college game tape, no scouting reports. I'm not sure if being a dedicated fan to a laughing stock of a team finally got to me after two decades or if my interest in football was going to naturally wane. I'll still watch the draft, but I won't really know much about it.
I haven’t researched much of anything either. The Chargers need a QB now that Phil is gone, and they need OL (like always), and otherwise they seem decently well set. The question seems to be between Tua and Herbert, although I did see one mock that had them taking Love at #6. Tua would be my choice, and then OL the rest of the way.
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Who's the odds on favorite to make an embarrassing technical snafu?

Bill O'Brien? Dave Gettleman? John Elway?
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I just realized that I think this is the first time since the NHL shut down 6 weeks ago that I am actually turning on my TV to watch something as it is broadcast. I watch on the web or even just DVR for later damn near everything these days.
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The guy I really want is Henry Ruggs III, but I'd be OK with Lamb, too. It's looking increasingly likely that the 49ers are going to trade down from #13, possibly multiple times. They could also trade out of #31. I predict they will make at least one trade on Day 1 and again on Day 2. I predict they will trade a player and a future pick at some point. It should be an exciting night, but I might end up disappointed at first. It's all about who they pick with the extra selections they pick up.

At #13, these are the guys I'd be good with before trading back:
Chase Young, EDGE
Henry Ruggs III, WR
CeeDee Lamb, WR
Jeff Okudah, CB
Tristan Wirfs, OT
Andrew Thomas, OT
Jedrick Wills Jr.. OT
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Old 04-23-2020, 07:42 PM
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3 picks down, no drama to speak of so far. Hoping Okudah is a bust for the sake of my Bears but I don't think that's likely. Unfortunately the Lions didn't Cleveland that pick up.
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Ok, Tua to Miami and Herbert to the Chargers. I wonder how the Chargers had the two of them rated. If they had Tua higher, it might not have cost too much to trade up to 4 and take him. If the Giants assumed Miami was going to take a QB, then their guy would still be available at 6, so trading down is free.
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Every year I see NFL experts grading teams' draft picks (i.e. with letter grades from D to A) according to whether they supposedly nailed it in selecting future stars.

Are there any websites that grade analysts on how accurate they've been? I found a couple of sites evaluating whose mock drafts eventually conformed closest to reality, but none that put prognosticators under the microscope on a consistent basis.
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Browns turned their pick in really fast and didn't even field offers, so they must really like the guy. I'd probably rather have Trent Williams and the #10 to spend on something else, but this is fine. ESPN made it sound like the OT that went before him (Thomas to the Giants) didn't deserve to be the top tackle taken. Is Wills the best tackle in the draft? The posters on a browns board I was browsing mostly seemed to want Wirfs.

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None of the top 3 QBs slipped, this makes it pretty much a certainty that Love will go in the first at some point. Raider maybe? Bucs as a developmental guy behind Brady? Patriots maybe?
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Browns turned their pick in really fast and didn't even field offers, so they must really like the guy. I'd probably rather have Trent Williams and the #10 to spend on something else, but this is fine. ESPN made it sound like the OT that went before him (Thomas to the Giants) didn't deserve to be the top tackle taken. Is Wills the best tackle in the draft? The posters on a browns board I was browsing mostly seemed to want Wirfs.
Wirfs was the top rated guy on most boards I saw. Go figure.
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Is Wills the best tackle in the draft? The posters on a browns board I was browsing mostly seemed to want Wirfs.
I dont understand why, if Wills was that good, why he's playing RT instead of LT at Alabama. Personally, I like Wirfs a ton more.

Sad to see the Chargers draft Hebert, whose production, especially against good teams, never seemed to live up to the hype.

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Ah, Gruden brings a smile to my face again. Ruggs before Jeudy is just silly.
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I dont understand why, if Wills was that good, why he's playing RT instead of LT at Alabama. Personally, I like Wirfs a ton more.
Tua is left handed. He was the blindside tackle.
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Tua is left handed. He was the blindside tackle.
Ah.
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Ah, Gruden brings a smile to my face again. Ruggs before Jeudy is just silly.
Ruggs is better in the Raiders system. He is a catch and run guy with blazing speed. I am very happy with the pick.
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And thank you NFL draft for smacking me back to normalcy. I feel alive again.
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The Broncos need to draft Jalen Hurts, if for no other reason that I truly want to see him standing next to Jake Butt on the field at least once.
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Ruggs is better in the Raiders system. He is a catch and run guy with blazing speed. I am very happy with the pick.
Raiders need a #1 WR, not a speedster who was the 3rd option on his own team who never had a 1000 yard season. Ruggs, to me, is more John Ross than Tyreek Hill.
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Standard raiders WR pick, you say?
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Standard raiders WR pick, you say?
At least Heyward Bey had an inch and a half on Ruggs.
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Raiders need a #1 WR, not a speedster who was the 3rd option on his own team who never had a 1000 yard season. Ruggs, to me, is more John Ross than Tyreek Hill.
Riggs is a big play guy.

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Riggs is a big play guy.
Just my opinion. With Lamb and Jeudy still on the board, I think Ruggs was a reach. You and Gruden disagree. That's the fun of the draft.

Best of luck with Ruggs and Arnette.
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As an aside, I'm reminded of my distaste of draft graders who refuse to take a stance and praise almost every pick. Just check out the post draft grades. The worst grade a team gets is a C and a vast majority of teams are in the B- to B+ range. Its silly.
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Ugh. Fucking Packers.

I'm done for the night.
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Not sure I how I feel about Love's potential, but again the Packers invest in the QB position when they didn't need to. It'll probably work out for them...again.
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Just my opinion. With Lamb and Jeudy still on the board, I think Ruggs was a reach. You and Gruden disagree. That's the fun of the draft.

Best of luck with Ruggs and Arnette.
I couldnt agree more. The Raiders really need a playmaker to open things up for Jacobs. The biggest mystery for the Raiders is if many will be able to travel to the games next year.

Thank you for keeping your draft thread tradition alive.
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Not sure I how I feel about Love's potential, but again the Packers invest in the QB position when they didn't need to. It'll probably work out for them...again.
I want to believe it was a mistake, but I can't help feeling that they just drafted another HoF QB, because life isn't fair.
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I tend to judge drafts using 3 metrics: 1) Player Evaluation, 2) Value, 3) Team Need.

By all 3 metrics, the Packers trading up to draft Jordan Love was a huge mistake.

1) He's inaccurate, gets rattled easily, and makes poor decisions. While he has the physical tools to develop in the NFL, he's a huge project who has, to me, more bust than stud in him.
2) I had Love as a 3rd round developmental project at best. Most commentators agree that he was a reach, and trading up to get him (while giving up a 4th rounder isn't horrible, it's still bad) was idiocy, and he's not going to see the field for the next 3 years, so any value of drafting a QB in the 1st round is wasted.
3) When you're a team who just made the NFC Championship game and you have a shortening window to win now, you don't draft a player who shouldn't see the field for 3 or 4 years. Draft a QB, yes. Overdraft a developmental QB in the first round when you have a 36 year old Hall of Fame QB on the roster, no. Grab an immediate starter (Patrick Queen, Jeff Gladney, or Kristian Fulton would all start on this Packers team), not a guy who, unless things go to shit, won't see the field for another 3 or 4 years (and then, even if he is everything you hope he is, you have to fucking pay him the moon after getting maybe one year of value out of him)

Anyone who tries to play this off as akin to the Packers drafting Rodgers when they have Favre ignores that facts that: a) Rodgers was wayyyyyyyy better than Love; b) Rodgers, who was in the running for the #1 pick, was fantastic value at #24 while Love is clearly outside the top 3 QBs in the class and is a reach usually made by desperate stupid teams and c) Rodgers now is better than Favre was. Plus, Rodgers can be ... prickly ... to deal with and spending draft capital to trade up for his successor likely isn't helpful to him.

Ugh, what a shitshow.

Other quick notes:

1) Edwards Helaire before Swift surprises the heck out of me. With so many needs on the defensive side of the ball and good running backs being available much later, it seems like a dumb pick by the Chiefs. But, hey, they're Super Bowl Champs.

2) As much as I dislike Jerry Jones, I think he drafted the BPA. Sure their defense will suffer (who needs DBs anyway? And pass rushers aren't THAT important), but Lamb was good value at 15 and maybe the defense can hang on for a couple more years.

3) The Jets almost always make me smile. This year, they drafted physical freak/just OK football player Mekhi Becton and passed on Wirfs or getting a legit WR to help out Sam Darnold. Sure it's no Christian Hackenberg in the 2nd round or drafting a kicker with your first pick in the draft. But it did make me smile.

4) The Vikings are doing well so far. While I'm not sold on Jefferson being a gamechanger, he was the second best WR available (although I understand not everyone has my affinity for Brandon Aiyuk), and is the kind of WR who can have immediate success for the Vikes. Good value, position of need. What more do you want?

Then, when their pick at 25 came along, they saw a glut of great DB prospects available, and were able to pick up additional picks 117 and 176 from the Niners for trading down just 5 spots. They then got the BPA at a position of need. Fantastic. I love the idea of not being married to a single prospect and, after watching the Falcons and Raiders reach for lesser (to me) cornerbacks, I loved the availability of DBs in the late first/early second round. Also, fuck them.

5) I have no clue what to make of Tua. I love his quick release, movement skills, and efficiency. I hate his injury risk, shitty Wonderlic, and the fact he was surrounded by awesome talent. Personally, I think he was well worth the #5 pick, but I'd be horribly afraid he'll have trouble developing into a legit NFL QB. He'd be a guy I'd need to do a ton of research on before I'd pick him. Plus, the Jesus-y preachiness and family values crap he peddles is annoying as hell. He's an enigma to me.

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Ruggs is better in the Raiders system. He is a catch and run guy with blazing speed. I am very happy with the pick.
I don't care. Jeudy is a great receiver who finds ways to get open, and he also has pretty good speed and athleticism in his own right.

Speed by itself ain't shit. There is so much more to receiving than just having breakaway speed.
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Speed by itself ain't shit. There is so much more to receiving than just having breakaway speed.
It's the Raiders, Jake. A long-standing love of super-fast receivers (as well as kickers and punters who can kick the crap out of the ball).
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1) Edwards Helaire before Swift surprises the heck out of me. With so many needs on the defensive side of the ball and good running backs being available much later, it seems like a dumb pick by the Chiefs. But, hey, they're Super Bowl Champs.
As a Chefs fan, those were my thoughts as well. If they were going to draft an RB, I was rooting for Swift, as I'm also a partial Georgia fan. But I don't have any real reason to second guess Veach and Reid on these calls. I'd have thought we had bigger needs on the other side of the ball, but maybe they just see him as a bigger fit on the team than anyone else.
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I don't care. Jeudy is a great receiver who finds ways to get open, and he also has pretty good speed and athleticism in his own right.

Speed by itself ain't shit. There is so much more to receiving than just having breakaway speed.
If only he was a complete receiver.

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5) I have no clue what to make of Tua. I love his quick release, movement skills, and efficiency. I hate his injury risk, shitty Wonderlic, and the fact he was surrounded by awesome talent. Personally, I think he was well worth the #5 pick, but I'd be horribly afraid he'll have trouble developing into a legit NFL QB. He'd be a guy I'd need to do a ton of research on before I'd pick him. Plus, the Jesus-y preachiness and family values crap he peddles is annoying as hell. He's an enigma to me.
The bit of proday tape they showed yesterday didnt impress me. Both his arm strength and accuracy were so-so. He was also surrounded by 1st round picks at WR, OL and RB at Alabama.

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If only he was a complete receiver.
i forgot to mention that the Raiders most likely consulted closely with Jacobs about both Jeudy and Riggs. I am very comfortable with this pick.
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Swift would have been a great RB for the Chiefs, but I think they probably looked at the final 3 games of LSU's season and saw how Edwards Helaire can be used in a wide-open offensive attack that mixes up running and passing, and one that features RBs as both running backs and receivers. Edwards Helaire fits into that scheme very well. That's not to say Swift wouldn't, but sometimes it comes down to what they see on tape and they had to be impressed with what they saw against quality defenses (Georgia and Clemson, not so much OU).

As an LSU fan, the most impressive thing about Edwards Helaire is that he is small and fast, which makes him elusive when he has room to run. But he is also exceptionally strong. He has strong legs. Not the easiest guy to take down. He has an Emmitt Smith type build.
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Speaking of the Bears....this off-season has been something of a shit show. They have really mortgaged the future in terms of both draft capital and salaries. I won't derail the thread too much, but the one that stands out to me is signing the corpse of Jimmy Graham to a huge deal and then subsequently cutting Trey Burton and eating a bunch of dead cap. I mean, this looks like a act of confusion and desperation. Pace competed against himself for Burton 2 years ago and did it again with Graham.....and a lot of people think he's eyeing another TE in this draft. If he does that, shit is on. I got my pitchforks ready.
Just gonna leave this here.

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i forgot to mention that the Raiders most likely consulted closely with Jacobs about both Jeudy and Riggs. I am very comfortable with this pick.
There's zero chance that happened. Everyone needs to be fired, again, if that's how they do business.
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There's zero chance that happened. Everyone needs to be fired, again, if that's how they do business.
If you're asking your starting RB who to draft, you've made some serious mistakes.
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Good grief, not a banner draft so far for the NFC North. I'll be honest with you, though, I'll be seriously annoyed (in an envious way) if Jordan Love ends up being another Hall of Famer. I mean, Daniel Jones looked like a garbage fire of a pick at the time and he so far looks like maybe not terrible. (Or maybe he's on the Baker Mayfield trajectory and about to fall off a cliff in year 2. But year 1 was at least promising.) You never know.

The NFC East seems to be doing okay, nice and conservative drafting. I don't mind at all. In fact, I'm looking forward to watching the Chase Young vs Andrew Thomas matchup for years to come.

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Just gonna leave this here.
If it's any consolation, the Packers drafted a guy who shouldn't see the field for 4 years IN THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND and a (quite good) running back when they already have Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams. Meanwhile, they don't have a legit #2 WR, they have no depth on the O line, and they've completely ignored their mess at LB for years. They passed on starting level CBs, a solid OT in Josh Jones, and let the WR position all but dry up (C'mon Tyler Johnson!!!). But if their QB and two top RBs all get injured, they'll be in a great spot.

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I hate Roger Goodell as much as the next guy but I have to give him some credit for really leaning into the booing he was getting.
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I spent the night rocking back and forth repeating "Jaire Alexander looks legit. Darnell Savage was a good pick. Elgton Jenkins is a starter. There are 4 more rounds to find someone...." Of course in reality, I figure the Pack will now draft a Long Snapper in the 5th round, then a kicker, then maybe another physically limited H back to round out the draft. Boy I am not happy so far with this Packer draft. But Tyler Johnson and Isiah Hodgins are still available, so there is hope.

Other thoughts:

I love what the Cowboys are doing, and that pisses me off. Thanks to other teams, they've been able to sit and wait and get fantastic value at positions of need. Same with the Cards, who got the steal of the draft with Josh Jones and now have DeAndre Hopkins for their second round pick. Talk about value. Plus Kingsbury's house looks pretty fucking cool.

I've seen a lot of love for the Panthers draft, but I'm not seeing it at all. It's great that they went with the obvious needs on defense, but I think Brown, Gross Matos, and Chinn are all overrated underwear warriors and not great football players. We will see.

The Raiders continue to make me smile. Bowden at 80 is a huge reach for a gadget player. Edwards at 81 was another reach. And Muse, while versatile, is average at everything except coverage where he is not great which is kinda a problem when that is what he should be doing.

I hate that I like what the Vikings and Lions are doing, and absolutely hate what the Packers are doing. At least the Bears drafted another athlete/tight end in the 2nd round. But I do like Jaylon Johnson there, so even they are beating the Packers. Time to turn it around on day 3.
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