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Old 05-01-2020, 10:55 PM
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Trump is wasting taxpayer money sending superfluous letters to take credit for the stimulus payments


We already got the direct deposit weeks ago, but we still got this letter today: https://twitter.com/slackerinc/statu...768135169?s=21
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We got it today too, and my wife said the same thing. Envelope from the IRS/Treasury so, of course, you want to open it, but then the letter inside is campaign message on White House letterhead with Trump's signature on the bottom. What a joke. What a waste. What a man-baby.
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Let your congressional representative know that you are dismayed by Trump's use of government funding, stationery and mailing for campaign purposes.
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Old 05-02-2020, 12:20 AM
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I got my check, but I haven't received my propaganda letter yet, and hope I don't.
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Why don't you send your check back with Trump's note, explaining why you refuse to accept it?
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Old 05-02-2020, 02:20 AM
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Yes, I got my direct deposit about three weeks ago, and didn't expect to get the letter.

But a couple days ago, I got my love letter from Dear Donald.

Hey, $1200 buys my vote! Don's my Man! And if he gives me another $1200, I'll vote for him twice! And if he gives me $1200 or better still $2000 every month until October, I'll vote for him seven times!



I saw a news item recently that several voting rights lawyers want this to be investigated as an illegal violation of the Hatch Act -- Using government apparatus and tax money to do his re-election campaign activities.
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Is such blatant campaigneering on the taxpayers' time and dime even legal?

And how many Americans are gullible or stupid enough to fall for it? "The generous stable genius sent me these moneys out of his own personal vast fortune. God bless his noble heart!"


Well, I guess some Americans are so stupid:
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Old 05-02-2020, 08:24 AM
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Why don't you send your check back with Trump's note, explaining why you refuse to accept it?
Send it back to whom? This money came from the US government. So, in the end, all of us who will pay taxes in the next 5 decades.
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Old 05-02-2020, 08:29 AM
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Why don't you send your check back with Trump's note, explaining why you refuse to accept it?
The Pit thread is about the letter. Trump had nothing to do with the money.

Anyone else know why someone with a join date of 2000 is acting like a dumb Trump troll? Do you know this guy?

Because my first instinct is that the person who wrote that post is not the person who signed up for that account 20 years ago.
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I received my letter yesterday, after receiving the money on the 15th, so it took a half-month for the letter to be printed and travel to me. I know the mail's not that slow.

When I turned it over to see if I could use it for scratch paper I was surprised to see the English letter on the front replicated in Spanish on the back, salutation to my fellow American, Trump's indecipherable seismograph signature, and all. Considering his esteem for Latinos, his endless capacity to think of people who are not white or English-speaking-only as equally American, I would have thought Trump's signature would have erupted into flames when placed below a letter in Spanish.

I had great satisfaction in tearing the letter into little pieces by hand before putting it in the recycling bin alongside the other junk mail where it will do some good.
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Old 05-02-2020, 09:56 AM
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Members of Congress can mail for free within a certain budget , it's called the franking privilege. They cannot use that for campaigns. Instead of postage it has their signature and MC where the stamp would be.
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The Pit thread is about the letter. Trump had nothing to do with the money.
This is why Trump wanted his signature on the check. He instinctively knows that morons like Manlob would think it came directly from Trump's personal bank account. Because of course the US Treasury is now Trump's personal checking account.

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Anyone else know why someone with a join date of 2000 is acting like a dumb Trump troll?
He's not acting and Trump didn't invent these fucking idiots. He emboldened and exposed them.


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Do you know this guy?
We all know these guys.

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Because my first instinct is that the person who wrote that post is not the person who signed up for that account 20 years ago.
So you think that there are people hacking the SDMB for unused accounts just to post inane TrumpCult comments?
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The paper is kind of soft, and since the stores are out of a lot of certain products, I'm hanging on to mine.
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So you think that there are people hacking the SDMB for unused accounts just to post inane TrumpCult comments?
The board was hacked 6 years ago; usernames, email addresses, and passwords were harvested. If this Trumpeteer was a victim, he's playing a long game.
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How much did this cost in postage? Dumbass can't even keep his feuds straight.
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I saw a news item recently that several voting rights lawyers want this to be investigated as an illegal violation of the Hatch Act -- Using government apparatus and tax money to do his re-election campaign activities.
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Is such blatant campaigneering on the taxpayers' time and dime even legal?
Okay, I found some links to the news item I saw a few days ago. These refer more particularly to the actual checks with his signature on them.

These lawyers say Trumpís name on stimulus checks might be a crime, Joe Davidson, Washington Post, April 30, 2020.

Barr Should Appoint a Special Counsel to Investigate How Trumpís Signature Ended Up on Pandemic Checks, Letter Says, Jerry Lambe, lawandcrime.com, April 20, 2020.

A former government attorney, a constitutional scholar, and a former presidential candidate ask Attorney General William Barr to appoint a special counsel to investigate.

(Fat chance that's going to happen.)
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Old 05-02-2020, 11:33 AM
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Meh. If this had happened while Obama was in office you'd have the letter framed and hung on your wall by now.
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Old 05-02-2020, 11:35 AM
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Meh. If this had happened while Obama was in office you'd have the letter framed and hung on your wall by now.
It wouldn't have happened if Obama was in office.
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Okay, I found some links to the news item I saw a few days ago. These refer more particularly to the actual checks with his signature on them.

These lawyers say Trumpís name on stimulus checks might be a crime, Joe Davidson, Washington Post, April 30, 2020.

Barr Should Appoint a Special Counsel to Investigate How Trumpís Signature Ended Up on Pandemic Checks, Letter Says, Jerry Lambe, lawandcrime.com, April 20, 2020.

A former government attorney, a constitutional scholar, and a former presidential candidate ask Attorney General William Barr to appoint a special counsel to investigate.

(Fat chance that's going to happen.)
The problem with that argument is interpreting the Hatch Act so broadly would punish a politician for everything because generally everything a politician does is designed to help his reelection.
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We have received neither our check nor a letter. I guess that counts as a win. Oh, and neither have we received information on the small business funds we applied for, either.
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Send it back to whom? This money came from the US government. So, in the end, all of us who will pay taxes in the next 5 decades.
By sending the money to the U.S. Treasury:

https://fiscal.treasury.gov/public/g...overnment.html
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I my question should have been more precise: why should the dislike of that letter be reason to send back money issued by the government? In what rational mind does that connect? I know it does to some people, but I thought they were all too busy protesting on the Michigan statehouse steps explaining how Bill and Melinda Gates invented Covid19 to give us all the mark of the beast, mixed with a little flat earth theory and why their unvaccinated kids thrive because crystals. Oh and 5G bad.
By the way, I received neither money nor letter
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The board was hacked 6 years ago;
Really?

Well, that explains some of the extortionate e-mails I've gotten from hackers bragging about owning a password I haven't used in years.... Also amusing when they claim to have video of me jacking off to porn sites when 1) I haven't visited porn on the internet in, oh, probably 15 years or more and 2) my computer doesn't have a camera attached to it.
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While I don't like the guy, the postage for those letters costs less than the non-complete vehicles my company might have to throw away because all of the glue expired while we were forced to shut down. Really, if we'd had just one day of notice, it'd not be an issue.
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I read the letter (got it today) and my initial feelings is this an example of 'mid-level bureaucrat' writing--not Trump himself. I should know, I was one (GS-12/13) for a lot of years. For four of those years I was in the United Arab Emirates as a 'liaison' for a Foreign Military Sale we had done.

Many times I was asked to write a letter either to the customer or asked by the customer to write something to the USG, often things people didn't want to hear or guaranteed to tick them off. I learned to write very carefully during that time and managed to (mostly) not tick off various Colonels and Generals on both sides.

And I think this letter came from the same source. "I" only appears 3 times in the letter (I proudly signed, I want to thank, I am pleased), while 'we' appears 6 times. He thanks the Congress (including the House by name) and does not say he is providing the check, but that "by the CARES Act, you are". And that the other side is in Spanish is a giveaway as Trump would probably never think of that.

So my guess is that if he even read the letter, he didn't understand it or thought it praised him enough, so he went ahead and signed it (and BTW, the signature looks like something from the Lord of the Rings...).

Bureaucracy always wins. Which doesn't stop me from adding it to the shredder pile.
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Why don't you send your check back with Trump's note, explaining why you refuse to accept it?
Because the check is a legitimate bipartisan stimulus check, and Trump's note is illegal campaigning?

I will say this, I didn't find any obvious grammatical mistakes in the letter that would have suggested Trump or one of his odious family had a hand in the final product.
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The IRS was going to send a letter for security reasons anyway to inform people within 15 days of their payment that there was a payment made in their name, the amount, and how that payment was made (direct deposit or check).

The letter from Trump includes that information along with some encouraging words for those concerned about their future health, safety, and economic well-being. Also given is why the money was sent, for those unaware, and thanks to the House and Senate for passing the CARES Act. It is just hypersensitive Trump hating to misconstrue that as an attempted bribe or a campaign propaganda letter, unless you count giving people what they want as campaigning.
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The IRS was going to send a letter for security reasons anyway to inform people within 15 days of their payment that there was a payment made in their name, the amount, and how that payment was made (direct deposit or check).

The letter from Trump includes that information along with some encouraging words for those concerned about their future health, safety, and economic well-being. Also given is why the money was sent, for those unaware, and thanks to the House and Senate for passing the CARES Act. It is just hypersensitive Trump hating to misconstrue that as an attempted bribe or a campaign propaganda letter, unless you count giving people what they want as campaigning.
If the IRS was going to send the letter, they should have.
Trump is just taking advantage of the situation for his personal gain.
Itís probably not an impeachable offense, but it might be (Hatch Act).
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It is just hypersensitive Trump hating to misconstrue that as an attempted bribe or a campaign propaganda letter, unless you count giving people what they want as campaigning.
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Itís probably not an impeachable offense, but it might be (Hatch Act).
Let's take a president who holds an easter egg hunt on the White House lawn or pardons a Thanksgiving turkey.

If we use your expansive reading of the Hatch Act, wouldn't those be indictable offenses because they are not a part of his executive function and are likely done to promote his public image so he can get reelected?

And those things probably cost the taxpayers more money than this silly, stupid letter.
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Let's take a president who holds an easter egg hunt on the White House lawn or pardons a Thanksgiving turkey.

If we use your expansive reading of the Hatch Act, wouldn't those be indictable offenses because they are not a part of his executive function and are likely done to promote his public image so he can get reelected?

And those things probably cost the taxpayers more money than this silly, stupid letter.
How many letters were sent? 50 Million? 100 Million?
At 50Ę, first class postage alone is 25 - 50 million dollars. You think some Easter eggs cost that much?
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It wouldn't have happened if Obama was in office.
And it's not even a hypothetical. Both GW Bush and Obama had stimulus checks sent out while they were in office and neither one had their signatures on the fucking checks, much less follow-on letters.

Because it's stupid, narcissistic, and only appeals to the basest and most intellectually challenged of voters. Ya know, the ones that would retort with tu quoques that are literally, provably false.
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How many letters were sent? 50 Million? 100 Million?
At 50Ę, first class postage alone is 25 - 50 million dollars. You think some Easter eggs cost that much?
He's a lawyer, not a mathemagician. That's just mean to use things like "facts" and "numbers". Trolls can't eat those.
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Really?

Well, that explains some of the extortionate e-mails I've gotten from hackers bragging about owning a password I haven't used in years.... Also amusing when they claim to have video of me jacking off to porn sites when 1) I haven't visited porn on the internet in, oh, probably 15 years or more and 2) my computer doesn't have a camera attached to it.
Here's a thread on the subject.

It's been a while since I've seen any of those emails; now I have three in my spam folder since Friday. All of them mention the same password, one so ridiculously long (40 characters!) that I cannot believe anyone would actually use it.
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