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Old 05-14-2020, 05:21 PM
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Tired of Republicans.


Every time the Republicans are in power, they run the country into the ground, and every single time, the Democrats have to clean it up. It's like a bunch of little kids trash the house, and the parents have to clean up after them.

At what point do you just kick the kids out of the house? Why can't we just have consecutive Democrat presidents?

Let's look at the track record of Republican presidents:
  • Hoover, a Republican, caused the Great Depression
  • Reagan and Bush Sr, Republicans, caused a war and a recession
  • Bush Jr, a Republican, caused a war and a recession
  • It looks like Trump, a Republican, will cause a recession, if not an outright depression

At what point do people realize that Republicans are bad at governing?
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Old 05-14-2020, 05:24 PM
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Every time the Republicans are in power, they run the country into the ground, and every single time, the Democrats have to clean it up. ...
While being scapegoated for the mess the're fixing.
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This is a consequence of the 4-year/8-year cycle. It means that if a Republican screws up, a Democrat is in office long enough to fix things, but then by the time it is fixed, the public fatigues of the Democrat (because people generally get tired of one party after eight years of red or blue) and votes in a Republican for change. There is also the perverse consequence that by the time the Democrats' time in office is over, the economy is good enough that the Republican can hum along well on it for a while (Bush inherited Clinton's economy, Trump inherited Obama's economy.)
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That being said, I would like to nitpick a bit about Trump causing a depression: The current Covid crisis is so severe globally that no nation can escape its effects. Even if Trump had turned in a magnificent Grade-A performance on the pandemic from day one (and he hasn't, he's been more like D+), the U.S. is so interconnected to global trade that we'd still see a recession. It wouldn't be as bad as it is now, but it would still be a downturn. Even President Hillary couldn't stave off a Covid recession.
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That being said, I would like to nitpick a bit about Trump causing a depression: The current Covid crisis is so severe globally that no nation can escape its effects. Even if Trump had turned in a magnificent Grade-A performance on the pandemic from day one (and he hasn't, he's been more like D+), the U.S. is so interconnected to global trade that we'd still see a recession. It wouldn't be as bad as it is now, but it would still be a downturn. Even President Hillary couldn't stave off a Covid recession.
In fact if Trump had done the right thing and prolonged stay at home orders the economy would suffer the more for it. He still should have, but the recession was inevitable.
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At what point do people realize that Republicans are bad at governing?
See 1932:

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That being said, I would like to nitpick a bit about Trump causing a depression: The current Covid crisis is so severe globally that no nation can escape its effects. Even if Trump had turned in a magnificent Grade-A performance on the pandemic from day one (and he hasn't, he's been more like D+), the U.S. is so interconnected to global trade that we'd still see a recession. It wouldn't be as bad as it is now, but it would still be a downturn. Even President Hillary couldn't stave off a Covid recession.
We'd see a recession, no doubt, but let's not forget that as the world's largest and most influential economy, there's a certain level of responsibility to get the public health response right. This is what pundits talk about when they say that "America has to lead." It's not that the world sits on its ass and waits for Captain America to save it. It's simply the understanding that it has a responsibility not to start a global financial crisis, and a global responsibility to do what it can to arrest a pandemic while leaving as much of its economy intact as it can. The fact that Korea and Singapore and Germany have done that is great but now they're going to suffer because we fucked it up. Not the first time, mind you.
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That being said, I would like to nitpick a bit about Trump causing a depression: The current Covid crisis is so severe globally that no nation can escape its effects. Even if Trump had turned in a magnificent Grade-A performance on the pandemic from day one (and he hasn't, he's been more like D+), the U.S. is so interconnected to global trade that we'd still see a recession. It wouldn't be as bad as it is now, but it would still be a downturn. Even President Hillary couldn't stave off a Covid recession.
But Trump is handling the economic crisis just as poorly as he's handling the medical crisis. Other countries are experiencing much lower rates of unemployment just like they're experiencing much lower rates of disease.
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At what point do people realize that Republicans are bad at governing?
A whole lot of people already know this. I would say that even a lot of Republicans probably know this too. But the right has been very effective at selling the message that demonizes Democrats that so many Republicans would never in a million years dream of voter for "them". Layer on the gerrymandering and voter suppression, which the do because they know they don't have the raw vote numbers, and they remain in power.

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To further nitpick on the cause of recessions, to some extent, recessions are just built in to the business cycle and are going to occur no matter who is in power, so you can't entirely lay any particular recession solely at the feet of any particular administration. What Republican mismanagement tends to do, though, is 1) if a recession is on the way, it gets accelerated and more likely to happen under Republican control and 2) the recessions that do happen end up being worse for a variety of reasons, such as further mismanagement or already running such a huge deficit (such as large tax cuts for the rich) that things like stimulus spending become a harder to execute response. Perversely, Republicans have created the appearance of being the party that is a good steward of the economy. They get credit for enhancing booms, but somehow avoid blame for also enhancing the busts.

In a sane world, both parties would work to minimize the down swings of the business cycle and recessions would be more or less random relative to which party is in power, but, well, you know.

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To further nitpick on the cause of recessions, to some extent, recessions are just built in to the business cycle and are going to occur no matter who is in power
It doesn't have to be that way. Prior to the pandemic, Australia and the Netherlands each had streaks where they went 25+ years in a row without a recession. There is no economic law that says recessions must happen on a regular schedule.
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It doesn't have to be that way. Prior to the pandemic, Australia and the Netherlands each had streaks where they went 25+ years in a row without a recession. There is no economic law that says recessions must happen on a regular schedule.
Well, yes and no. It's not that either country is immune to the downswings of the business cycle, it's just that their downswings are brief and/or small enough to allow for quick recovery and so do not to fit the definition of a recession. The linked article acknowledges that the Australian economy had contracted in a previous quarter before bouncing back. But I do agree with your larger point that they are both examples of much smarter ways to manage national economies.
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Have you considered not running total dipshits against their dipshits?

Just a thought.
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Every time the Republicans are in power, they run the country into the ground, and every single time, the Democrats have to clean it up. It's like a bunch of little kids trash the house, and the parents have to clean up after them.

At what point do you just kick the kids out of the house? Why can't we just have consecutive Democrat presidents?

Let's look at the track record of Republican presidents:
  • Hoover, a Republican, caused the Great Depression
  • Reagan and Bush Sr, Republicans, caused a war and a recession
  • Bush Jr, a Republican, caused a war and a recession
  • It looks like Trump, a Republican, will cause a recession, if not an outright depression

At what point do people realize that Republicans are bad at governing?
Hoover did not cause the Great Depression. That is not correct.
Which Wars did Reagan & Bush Sr. cause?
Bush Jr. Guilty as charged. 2 Wars at once in fact.
Trump, forget about it.

Ike was pretty good for the record.
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This question exposes a level of ignorance of how candidates are chosen by both parties since I was a kid that is mind boggling.

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Let's look at the track record of Republican presidents:
  • Hoover, a Republican, caused the Great Depression
  • Reagan and Bush Sr, Republicans, caused a war and a recession
  • Bush Jr, a Republican, caused a war and a recession
  • It looks like Trump, a Republican, will cause a recession, if not an outright depression
If you are going to accuse Reagan and Bush Sr. of causing a recession, then it's only fair to credit Reagan with the 1980s economic boom. And Bush Sr. didn't cause the 1991 Gulf War, a guy named Saddam did (by the way, the Gulf War was a spectacular victory for the USA.)

And if we are going to go down this route, Democratic presidents are largely responsible for the Vietnam War.
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This question exposes a level of ignorance of how candidates are chosen by both parties since I was a kid that is mind boggling.

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Oh, OK, well then just learn to like Republicans, 'cause that's what you're going to get until we figure out a new way to do it. As Lewis Black famously put it, "Apparently the devil you know is better than winning."
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That being said, I would like to nitpick a bit about Trump causing a depression: The current Covid crisis is so severe globally that no nation can escape its effects. Even if Trump had turned in a magnificent Grade-A performance on the pandemic from day one (and he hasn't, he's been more like D+), the U.S. is so interconnected to global trade that we'd still see a recession. It wouldn't be as bad as it is now, but it would still be a downturn. Even President Hillary couldn't stave off a Covid recession.

D+? Was that the minimum grade at your school? The schools I've attended had the bottom grade F. The damny dirty lying sack of dung in the White House is an abject failure. Grade: F.
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Both sides Baaaaad! Don't vote! Don't even bother! Both sides!
Laugh all you want. That's exactly what happened in 2016, and it's exactly what's going to happen this November. What on Earth makes you think things are going to change?
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Check out an article by Fintan O’Toole in the Irish Times, about the world pitying America, def worth a read!

“Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.“

This much is hard to argue with, for sure.
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Oh, OK, well then just learn to like Republicans, 'cause that's what you're going to get until we figure out a new way to do it. As Lewis Black famously put it, "Apparently the devil you know is better than winning."
Please, tell us how 'we' should do it?
What system should 'we' adopt so 'we' aren't running total dipshits against their dipshits?

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Laugh all you want. That's exactly what happened in 2016, and it's exactly what's going to happen this November. What on Earth makes you think things are going to change?
Have we reached the part where we get chastised for not joining the Bernie cult?
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Please, tell us how 'we' should do it?
What system should 'we' adopt so 'we' aren't running total dipshits against their dipshits?

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How the hell should I know? But would you not agree that running Hillary and Biden (and Bernie, 'cuz I'm no fan of Bernie) is part of the problem? If the party can't be bothered to run better candidates than these ass-clowns, then maybe Republicans aren't the ones we should be yelling at. Republicans are just doing their job, which, the last time I looked, was to help Republicans win elections.

I mean, didn't we elect Obama 12 years ago? And then re-elected him eight years ago? Do that. There's your answer. Whatever we did 12 years ago and then eight years ago, do exactly that. When Republicans run a guy like Pence with about as much charisma as a 1971 Pinto and we run a guy like Obama, then you will not have to worry yourselves about Republicans in the White House.

Until then . . . Go Biden (I guess).
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Yeah, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were both just dipshits, you could hardly tell them apart! Get a brain, morans!
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How the hell should I know? But would you not agree that running Hillary and Biden (and Bernie, 'cuz I'm no fan of Bernie) is part of the problem? If the party can't be bothered to run better candidates than these ass-clowns, then maybe Republicans aren't the ones we should be yelling at. Republicans are just doing their job, which, the last time I looked, was to help Republicans win elections.

I mean, didn't we elect Obama 12 years ago? And then re-elected him eight years ago? Do that. There's your answer. Whatever we did 12 years ago and then eight years ago, do exactly that. When Republicans run a guy like Pence with about as much charisma as a 1971 Pinto and we run a guy like Obama, then you will not have to worry yourselves about Republicans in the White House.

Until then . . . Go Biden (I guess).
Got another Obama in your pocket somewhere? Even like Obama? Maybe in the back of your dresser drawer?
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{...} If the party can't be bothered to run better candidates than these ass-clowns, {...}
The party runs the candidate that the electorate chose from the potential candidates that chose to run to be the candidate.

Just say these words "I want the party to chose who I get to vote for. I miss smoke filled rooms!"

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Got another Obama in your pocket somewhere? Even like Obama? Maybe in the back of your dresser drawer?
Hmmmm . . . hang on! I'm checking.

(rummage, rummage, rummage)

Nope, not in the dresser. Wait a minute, I didn't check the sofa cushions

(rummage, rummage, rummage)

Nope, not there, but I finally found the TV remote. Man, I've been looking for that for a week.

Oh, I know! The hamper. It's always in the hamper, right?

(rummage, rummage, rummage)

Sigh . . . those socks have to go.

Well, Ulfreida, it looks as if I don't have a spare Obama lying around somewhere. And even if I did, it would be a little late. See, the time to learn from mistakes and crack the whip is right after you make the mistakes. And learning from mistakes always, and I mean, always starts from wondering what your side did wrong. And then taking steps to correct it. And then not making the same mistake again.

I honestly don't know what could have or exactly should have been done, but what I wrote above is why I'm starting to get just a little tired of shit slung at the Republicans. They beat us. OK? They beat us with Trump. When your party runs someone like Hillary, gets beaten by Trump, and then four years later comes up with Biden (out of a field where the only serious alternatives seemed to be Warren and Sanders) to run against an incumbent president--which truly fucks your chances right then and there, and never mind the state of the economy or what crisis is going on, then maybe the fault doesn't lie with Republicans.

And if you can't come up with a better plan . . . sigh . . . I'll join you in the weep. But I hope you're not THAT surprised.
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So, smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs it is!

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So, smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs it is!

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More like getting our asses kicked in November by guys (and not a few women) who seem to know the game a lot better than we do. But hey, there's always a new Pit thread, right? That'll show 'em.
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On Thursday, Michigan closed down its capitol building and canceled its legislative session after online death threats made against Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
The threats were made by protesters who planned to attend a "Judgement Day" protest at the capitol. The protesters ostensibly oppose Whitmer's statewide shutdown orders meant to slow the spread of coronavirus.
Dozens of posts in private invitation-only Facebook groups called for Whitmer to be hanged, lynched, shot, beaten or beheaded. One suggested crowdfunding sources to hire a hitman to kill her.


https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-cl...hitmer-1504241
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Smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs is a concrete solution to the problem of bad candidates. I'm still waiting for anything concrete from you Linty.

But hey, there's always this Pit thread! That'll show us, right?

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Hoover did not cause the Great Depression. That is not correct.
Which Wars did Reagan & Bush Sr. cause?
Bush Jr. Guilty as charged. 2 Wars at once in fact.
Trump, forget about it.

Ike was pretty good for the record.
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A whole lot of people already know this.
Yes, practically everyone on this board is aware of it, yet Republican presidential candidates keep getting elected. I can't understand it.
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If you are going to accuse Reagan and Bush Sr. of causing a recession, then it's only fair to credit Reagan with the 1980s economic boom. And Bush Sr. didn't cause the 1991 Gulf War, a guy named Saddam did (by the way, the Gulf War was a spectacular victory for the USA.)
A screw up by Bush's State Department gave Saddam the idea he had a green light to invade Kuwait. But Bush does get credit for winning the war and not getting dragged into a quagmire. A mistake Cheney fixed.
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On Thursday, Michigan closed down its capitol building and canceled its legislative session after online death threats made against Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
The threats were made by protesters who planned to attend a "Judgement Day" protest at the capitol. The protesters ostensibly oppose Whitmer's statewide shutdown orders meant to slow the spread of coronavirus.
Dozens of posts in private invitation-only Facebook groups called for Whitmer to be hanged, lynched, shot, beaten or beheaded. One suggested crowdfunding sources to hire a hitman to kill her.


https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-cl...hitmer-1504241

Has anyone been arrested for those crimes they were committing using FB as a platform?
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Smoke filled rooms and party led press gangs is a concrete solution to the problem of bad candidates. I'm still waiting for anything concrete from you Linty.

But hey, there's always this Pit thread! That'll show us, right?

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Losing is pretty concrete, isn't it?

See, here's the problem the way I see it. You have your candidates and the Republicans have theirs. Right now, the Republicans are winning. This Pit thread is one of literally hundreds, which complain about the Republicans winning, which, the last I checked, was exactly what they were hired to do.

So then the question becomes, "Well, what can we do about it?" and suddenly all the outrage goes away and out come the hands. The pleading, pleading hands. "Oh sorry, guys, that's just not how it works. We just had to nominate Biden for reasons! What can we doooooo?"

You can lose. That's what you can do. You can lose, and then you can start another thousand threads right here in the Pit about how the world is unfair and Republicans are evil. Then you ban a couple of Republicans from the board for using awful language such as "harpy." on a board that has openly hoped that Trump dies of Corona virus, and then you congratulate yourselves on holding the moral high ground. Personally, I don't see it. You yell, and you scream, and you prevaricate, and it's all the Republicans' fault, right? It's never Hillary's fault. It's never Biden's fault. It's never the party's fault. It's never YOUR fault!

If you got half as angry at yourselves, your party, and you candidates--who truly suck--as you do at the other side, who, I'll repeat, are kicking our collective ass up one side of 1600 and down the other, then maybe you could figure something out. Until then . . . meh, enjoy the status quo.
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Their answer is: governing is BAD!!

Seriously, Trump and the GOP have managed to politicize the basic question of whether we even ought to have a governmental response to the most dangerous pandemic of the past 100 years.

Even now, it's hard to wrap one's head around how totally insane that is. But that's where the GOP is right now.
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That old saying, ‘those who despise government, govern despicably’, rings true sometimes.
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That old saying, ‘those who despise government, govern despicably’, rings true sometimes.
I'd never heard that saying, but yeah: you can't expect people who fundamentally don't believe in government to be any good at it.
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Every time the Republicans are in power, they run the country into the ground, and every single time, the Democrats have to clean it up. It's like a bunch of little kids trash the house, and the parents have to clean up after them.

At what point do you just kick the kids out of the house? Why can't we just have consecutive Democrat presidents?

Let's look at the track record of Republican presidents:
  • Hoover, a Republican, caused the Great Depression
  • Reagan and Bush Sr, Republicans, caused a war and a recession
  • Bush Jr, a Republican, caused a war and a recession
  • It looks like Trump, a Republican, will cause a recession, if not an outright depression



At what point do people realize that Republicans are bad at governing?

I think it's a bit too much to say that Hoover "caused" The Great Depression. It was a long time coming, and he had a lot of help. And, to his credit, he did do things to alleviate it -- just nowhere near enough, and his attitude and public stance made him look like an imperious snob.

But I agree with your other examples wholeheartedly. And I don't let Hoover completely off the hook.
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I am Canadian, but know way more currently about American federal politics than Canadian. As they say, Trump is living rent-free in my head. I care because I believe the US has a leadership role to play in the world. I hate Trump, I hate his grimace face and how he breaks every constitutional rule without consequence. but I was resigned in January that he will win reelection.

Then he bungles the Coronavirus response and at least half of the deaths in the US so far were unnecessary and I believe they can be directly laid at Don's feet. I don't know how he can show his face in public. This must be the end for him - no one will forgive this. But nope, his polls get stronger than ever. I just can't believe it.

Of course there will be a huge spike in deaths in fall, as infected people were encouraged to mingle. I feel so bad for the affected families, people in my family are also sick, but not from the virus. Somehow Trump seems most likely to win. And no, he is not good at governing, nor being a human being, nor being rich.
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Where is it written that the US has a leadership role? It had money and hadn't been destroyed after WWII so it sort of fell into that role, but it's not a rule. They are a dying people. We should let them pass.
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Where is it written that the US has a leadership role? It had money and hadn't been destroyed after WWII so it sort of fell into that role, but it's not a rule. They are a dying people. We should let them pass.
I disagree they are a dying people. But their federal government seems broken. It needs to reformed, but they will never agree. I don't mean to throw stones, most of the same arguments can be made in Canada.

I care because someone will take a leadership position, and I prefer the US to China. China is going to win. China's handling of the coronavirus would have put them back a decade or so, until Trump stepped in as bungler in chief, and now all the world is looking at the US handling of the virus in horror, making China look good in comparison. Again - not good at governing, but he knows his base.

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More like getting our asses kicked in November by guys (and not a few women) who seem to know the game a lot better than we do. But hey, there's always a new Pit thread, right? That'll show 'em.
Who do you want to see instead of Biden, and how should we nominate this person?
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I care because someone will take a leadership position, and I prefer the US to China. China is going to win. China's handling of the coronavirus would have put them back a decade or so, until Trump stepped in as bungler in chief, and now all the world is looking at the US handling of the virus in horror, making China look good in comparison. Again - not good at governing, but he knows his base.
You know, I don't want to hijack this thread, and I'm wary of predicting the future, but I just don't see China winning in the long term. Yes, the Belt and Road Initiative worries me, and yes I do believe that their administration is smarter than our administration, but I just don't see China overcoming its internal problems to the point where it can beat the world. Beat the US, certainly, but not the entire world.

Again, with the qualification that no one can predict the future to that extent, I have two contenders in mind: India and, interestingly enough, Latin America. Latinos are VERY hardworking and thrifty, VERY family-oriented, and they are united by a religion, if not by culture and heritage. If the Latinos can use that to their advantage, if they can overcome corrupt governments, outside meddling, and infrastructure problems to realize Bolivar's dream of a united (or at least a MORE united) Latin America, they have a shot. I already believe that the Latinos are going to have a dominant influence in the USA in the coming generations, and I also believe that's a good, good thing. I just wish I could live to see it.
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Who do you want to see instead of Biden, and how should we nominate this person?
No one we're going to get at this late date, and it beats the hell out of me. But as that 900-page Trump rant in the Pit shows, you don't have to have a solution to have a complaint, right? Maybe it's my turn to scream into the void.
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You yell, and you scream, and you prevaricate, and it's all the Republicans' fault, right? It's never Hillary's fault. It's never Biden's fault. It's never the party's fault. It's never YOUR fault!
Actually, Linty, it's your fucking fault. You and all the bitchy-whiny entitled assholes who ceaselessly yammer about how much the Democrats suck and how they don't fight for the right things and how they're just as beholden to the power structure as the Republicans and bullshit bullshit, plus bullshit and did I mention bullshit?

It's all of that magnification of Democratic faults paired with the perverse overestimation of Democratic agency to make change in the minority and an accompanying blithe and seemingly intentional ignorance of how our government actually fucking works that keeps a substantial plurality of possible allies for progressive action discouraged with the only party even interested in promoting such action. That plus the hand waving of Republican intransigence and the assignment of blame to "both parties" and it's a nice formula for depressing voter turnout.

Fuck the fucking fucknuggets doing this shit. Try shutting the fuck up for a minute.
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