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Old 05-21-2020, 08:52 AM
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Lori Loughlin and husband plead guilty and get short prison stays


She gets 2 months, he gets 5. Plus fines and community service.

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Not that short-- if they had just pled guilty in the first place they probably would have gotten a couple weeks, like Felicity Huffman got.
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Their lawyer may have convinced them they could beat the charges. Or maybe they ignored his/her advice and rolled the dice.
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Thank heaven, I can finally go to sleep in peace without those two hardened criminals on the loose.
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Their lawyer may have convinced them they could beat the charges. Or maybe they ignored his/her advice and rolled the dice.
By all accounts they were in deep denial that they were really in that much trouble and thought the charges were a bluff. Apparently all their advisors were screaming at them to admit guilt and settle from the get go, because federal prosecutors don't tend to file charges unless they have very good evidence they're going to win in court. But Giannulli and Loughlin refused to buckle until reality finally smacked them in the face.
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I met a federal public defender and she said 95% of defendants take plea deals. The only ones who don't are people with nothing to lose such as people facing life or death penalty. I assume the numbers are similar for state courts but not quite that high.
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Thank heaven, I can finally go to sleep in peace without those two hardened criminals on the loose.
Yes thank god that in our plutocratic, oligarchical society run by a treasonous criminal that law enforcement is putting people in prison for bribing colleges.

Not that minor crimes should be ignored, they shouldn't. But the rot at the root of our system is allowed to fester while law enforcement trims a few branches on the periphery.
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There are people who molest kids that don't do prison time. That's pretty amazing to me when these 2 are doing time.
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I'm all for them doing time just because they are assholes. And it should have been measured in years, not weeks.
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Id prefer, for all of the people implicated, no jail time but a shit load of community service. Like 1000 hours and they have to choose from a selected list of charities so its not easy work. Theyll probably end up with home confinement in their mansion and were all pretty much home confined anyway. They can get their housekeeper to get their groceries.
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What really sucks is how much the daughter, who they did all this for, is such an ingrate.
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There are people who molest kids that don't do prison time. That's pretty amazing to me when these 2 are doing time.
Yeah people who do violent or sexual crimes who are allowed to plea with just community service is just bizarre. I thought we were supposed to throw the book at those types of crimes?
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What really sucks is how much the daughter, who they did all this for, is such an ingrate.
Did she ask for them to do it?
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What really sucks is how much the daughter, who they did all this for, is such an ingrate.

That one older daughter gets on my last nerve. I don't blame them for fighting the charges. I had no idea donating your child's way into a school was illegal. I always thought it was a thing; if Mommy & Daddy can afford to donate a significant amount or build a new library their children were assured admission. I can see where they might have thought that's what they were doing and not realized it was a literal bribe.

I guess the world can now rest safely because Aunt Becky is in the slammer.
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It was more than donating money in exchange for an admission. To be able to do that is way more money than your typical celebrity has. They aren't billionaires.

Their scheme involved fraud and literally kept out a deserving person who really did work hard to get a real athletic scholarship. They knew dam well it wasn't legal and as we know, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

As I said upthread, I don't think that jail time is appropriate either but they deserve punishment. A huge fine and tons of community service is more appropriate. They may have gotten that if they hadn't have fucked around for so long and just plead guilty in the first place.
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I think the main problem is the lying about them being athletes. The government says that is mail and wire fraud. If parents donate money and kids get in I don't think that's a crime. As you say that's very common. I know of a family who were super big Clemson fans, their whole house was full of Clemson stuff. Their daughter did not get into to Clemson so the parents got real mad and got rid of all the Clemson stuff. Maybe they should have donated more.
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I think the main problem is the lying about them being athletes. The government says that is mail and wire fraud. If parents donate money and kids get in I don't think that's a crime. As you say that's very common. I know of a family who were super big Clemson fans, their whole house was full of Clemson stuff. Their daughter did not get into to Clemson so the parents got real mad and got rid of all the Clemson stuff. Maybe they should have donated more.
Again, they did not donate anything to the school. Coaches of sports are given a number of "free" admissions - the students still have to meet some academic requirements, but then the coaches can admit them in order to help the team. They bribed the rowing coach to claim that their daughter was a rower who would help the team, which is what got her admitted. USC did not benefit from this at all. Very different from someone buying a new building for a university that will benefit thousands of students.
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Yes thank god that in our plutocratic, oligarchical society run by a treasonous criminal that law enforcement is putting people in prison for bribing colleges.

Not that minor crimes should be ignored, they shouldn't. But the rot at the root of our system is allowed to fester while law enforcement trims a few branches on the periphery.
That's the real issue. Tanya McDowell got five years for registering her kid in the wrong school district, but she's poor and black and thus lives under different rules the plutocrats. That's what people should be losing sleep over.
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Coaches cannot admit students. What they can do is to ask that the requirements be lower for athletes and at big time schools that happens routinely. But there are cases where a top recruit is not admitted and has to go to his 2nd choice school. A guy may not get into UCLA and end up at Fresno St. . the schools not in the ACC,SEC,Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 typically are easier to get into. That would be Mountain West, American, CUSA , MAC, and similar conferences . They are still division I teams.

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I got a chuckle when I heard the lead-in to the story on the radio today: "Lori Loughlin and her designer husband..."

Designer husband? Is that like a trophy wife?
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I wouldn't be surprised if Lori spends less than a month in the can, if any time at all while the virus is still an issue. Her husband seems to be taking the fall on this one, hope she's worth it. He'll probably get out early or never serve also. These seem like light sentences for people who tried to play the system. I hope the judge makes them both provide a lengthy detailed allocution where they both admit they knew what they were doing was wrong so Lori can't go out on the talk show circuit and say she only plead guilty to put and end to the process.

And yes, they have an ungrateful spoiled daughter or two. I wonder how they got that way after their parents gave them everything.
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Coaches cannot admit students. What they can do is to ask that the requirements be lower for athletes and at big time schools that happens routinely. But there are cases where a top recruit is not admitted and has to go to his 2nd choice school. A guy may not get into UCLA and end up at Fresno St. . the schools not in the ACC,SEC,Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 typically are easier to get into. That would be Mountain West, American, CUSA , MAC, and similar conferences . They are still division I teams.
Ok but whether the coaches can actually admit students or just lobby for them with the admissions committee, my point still stands - the parents were paying the coaches, not the university, to get their kids admitted.
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the husband tried to make high end clothing line but it didn't last so he ended up designing for Target for $27 mil deal and later sold the company.
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I think the main problem is the lying about them being athletes. The government says that is mail and wire fraud. If parents donate money and kids get in I don't think that's a crime. As you say that's very common. I know of a family who were super big Clemson fans, their whole house was full of Clemson stuff. Their daughter did not get into to Clemson so the parents got real mad and got rid of all the Clemson stuff. Maybe they should have donated more.

Wait. You're saying someone applied for admission to Clemson and did not get in? Really? The admission process at Clemson requires someone from The Admission Dept. to put a hand on the prospective student's back and if it feels warm........ admission.
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That's the real issue. Tanya McDowell got five years for registering her kid in the wrong school district, but she's poor and black and thus lives under different rules the plutocrats. That's what people should be losing sleep over.
Didn't that 5 years include two drug charges as well?
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Lori's sentence is harsher than Felicity Huffman. She was sentenced 2 weeks prison and served 11 days. But she got her plea deal early. Lori tried to fight the charges before accepting a plea.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/us/fe...ase/index.html

IMHO the cost of this investigation and prosecution exceeded the seriousness of the crime. They probably spent millions and cost the defendants millions for giving a donation to get their kids into a nice college?

That money could have funded significant upgrades to the college. Several buildings at my college were named after rich patrons that gave the donation.

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IMHO the cost of this investigation and prosecution exceeded the seriousness of the crime. They probably spent millions and cost the defendants millions for giving a donation to get their kids into a nice college?
Bribing someone and committing fraud isn't the same as donating.
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I am happy they are getting token prison time. It's an equalizer and way to punish wealthy people is to give 'em a taste of jail. Allowing community hours and donations that is chump change is just validating they can write a check for whatever they want.

Keep in mind that this is a zero sum game. One kid gets in the side door, another kid that actually earned their way in lost an opportunity. This is not a victimless crime. And, if the Loughlin kids, with all their advantages of private schools, SAT prep classes, essay writing coaches, name recognition, ad nauseum, can't get in on their merits, then ya think they shouldn't go.

BTW, a good buddy of mine from grad school has 2 kids at USC. One shared a dorm with the Loughlin freshman. Said she had people escort her to her room instead of walking there alone since they were so "famous". Thought she was totally entitled royalty and didn't mix with the other dorm kids. No one shed a tear when she got kicked out of USC.
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a member of the Walton family graduated from USC but then it turned out she paid people to do her work so she gave her degree back.
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the husband tried to make high end clothing line but it didn't last so he ended up designing for Target for $27 mil deal and later sold the company.
Mossimo was a big thing when I was a kid like 25-30 years ago. It was in all the skate/surf shops where cool kids went.

I just read the corporate history, much of which I was unaware. So basically, you are correct at describing the middle/transition of the company. For about 10 years it managed to be a growing casual clothing company. They faltered trying to go high end around 25 years ago. A few years later he did the target deal, then company was acquired in 2006. From 2006-2017 Target kept the line in stores, after Mr. Aunt Becky was out.

Not sure if I ever had a Mossimo shirt pre-target. Probably had a Stussy or 2. I was partial to Quicksilver and Billabong.
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IMHO the cost of this investigation and prosecution exceeded the seriousness of the crime. They probably spent millions and cost the defendants millions for giving a donation to get their kids into a nice college?
You're right, it's pointless to try to prosecute rich people. They shouldn't have to follow the law.
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There are people who molest kids that don't do prison time. That's pretty amazing to me when these 2 are doing time.
Very recent:

- Utah CEO gets 210 days in jail for having 13K files of infant & child rape, bestiality

So, this guy got barely more time than Loughlin and her husband.

To be sure, Loughlin and her husband deserve the time...but this is out-of-whack.
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IMHO the cost of this investigation and prosecution exceeded the seriousness of the crime. They probably spent millions and cost the defendants millions for giving a donation to get their kids into a nice college?

That money could have funded significant upgrades to the college. Several buildings at my college were named after rich patrons that gave the donation.
So your advice is to let criminals go because the money can be used better elsewhere?

Really?

Remember, you can't just think of the cost of this one case. There was a criminal enterprise at work here. Stopping it is worthwhile.
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Lori's sentence is harsher than Felicity Huffman. She was sentenced 2 weeks prison and served 11 days. But she got her plea deal early. Lori tried to fight the charges before accepting a plea.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/us/fe...ase/index.html

IMHO the cost of this investigation and prosecution exceeded the seriousness of the crime. They probably spent millions and cost the defendants millions for giving a donation to get their kids into a nice college?

That money could have funded significant upgrades to the college. Several buildings at my college were named after rich patrons that gave the donation.
Didn't bother to read the thread, huh?
We need more rich people sent away for longer then they rip off the system and the people. Besides using a place taken from someone more deserving, this whole thing (and remember, it wasn't just the two of them) gives the idea that the system is rigged.
It would have been cheaper if she pleaded guilty at the start.
But I especially like how she is a holier-than-though sanctimonious Christian < bad word here >.
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That's the real issue. Tanya McDowell got five years for registering her kid in the wrong school district, but she's poor and black and thus lives under different rules the plutocrats. That's what people should be losing sleep over.
You're comparing apples vs. oranges. McDowell's plea agreement also included drug dealing and pandering charges. She also had a prior criminal record, including bank robbery.

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Remember, you can't just think of the cost of this one case. There was a criminal enterprise at work here. Stopping it is worthwhile.
Right -- these are just the celebrity participants, it was a larger fraud ring and there were many more people and schools involved.
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Thank heaven, I can finally go to sleep in peace without those two hardened criminals on the loose.
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IMHO the cost of this investigation and prosecution exceeded the seriousness of the crime. They probably spent millions and cost the defendants millions for giving a donation to get their kids into a nice college?
The guy running the show collected a total of $25,000,000 in bribes to get rich kids into nice colleges, bumping out truly eligible kids whose parents didn't cheat and didn't pay bribes.

These two were just two of the better-known bribers, and got relatively light sentences. Their activities have to be considered in the larger context of a ring designed to cheat the system and pay bribes to officials.

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Singer was the biggest fish to catch in this conspiracy.

Some of the people cheated on the SAT's. Getting scores changed and using someone to take the exams for the students.

Lori and her husband claimed their kids were on a rowing team and paid a bribe. Using athletics to gain admission is not nearly as bad as cheating on the college entrance exams. AFAIK Lori's kids passed their exams without cheating.

Anyway, justice has been served. A message has been sent to other wealthy parents that are trying to get their kids into prestigious schools.

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Mossimo was a big thing when I was a kid like 25-30 years ago. It was in all the skate/surf shops where cool kids went.
That just clicked for me as well. I had a ton of Mossimo stuff in high school as well. It was pretty popular with the snowboarding/skiing crowd.

Regarding the guilty plea, I heard at least one person (Trevor Noah?) mention that they may have plead guilty right now because, due to the virus, a lot of people are being released from prison. Perhaps they're hoping to get it changed to house arrest.
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That's the real issue. Tanya McDowell got five years for registering her kid in the wrong school district, but she's poor and black and thus lives under different rules the plutocrats. That's what people should be losing sleep over.
Sure McDowell was a drug dealer, a pimp, and a bank robber, but because of Loughlin's actions some kid was forced to go to their safety school.
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Lori's sentence is harsher than Felicity Huffman. She was sentenced 2 weeks prison and served 11 days. But she got her plea deal early. Lori tried to fight the charges before accepting a plea.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/us/fe...ase/index.html
Loughlin bribed 500,000; Huffman 15,000
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