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Old 07-04-2019, 06:02 PM
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Movies that still hold up but only God knows why


Superman II

The insane tone, the massive plot holes and forced script writing. But it still works cause....Terrence Stamp? I dunno.
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Old 07-04-2019, 06:37 PM
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The Day After Tomorrow. Cliched plot and characters, terrible science, yet it's very entertaining.
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Old 07-04-2019, 07:22 PM
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The Day After Tomorrow. Cliched plot and characters, terrible science, yet it's very entertaining.
I think thats the only movie I deliberately went to see just for the spectacle.
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Old 07-04-2019, 07:32 PM
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'Crazy Larry, Dirty Mary'. It's campy, silly and fun. Possibly the best line in any movie at one point. Anyone know it?
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I'll vote for "Goldfinger". A bizarre plot, a deadly hat/frisbee, a villain who lets Bond escape several times, and a main character with an amazingly crass name. But I still like it better than any Daniel Craig folderol.
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Okay, you know those movies that your kids want to watch over and over and over? Well, in the late 80s/early 90s it was "Dad, can we stop at Uncle Al's Video Emporium on the way home?" And I knew we'd be getting Rat Race, The Rocketeer, or the animal-infested Robin Hood for the 50th time.

And yet, even though I've seen each of those dozens of times, they're still great movies.


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The Barbie Museum!

Alan Arkin finds a jet pack

Robin Hood and Little John /Runnin' through the forest,
Jumpin' fences, dodgin' trees /And tryin' to get away...

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Blazing Saddles has a deranged, nearly non-existent plot. It revels in it's own excess while taking us on a pointless journey of hilarious vulgarity.
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:57 PM
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The Day After Tomorrow. Cliched plot and characters, terrible science, yet it's very entertaining.
I think thats the only movie I deliberately went to see just for the spectacle.
2012. And I've seen it more than once.
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Old 07-04-2019, 09:08 PM
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I'm a fan of The Rocky Horror Picture Show and I have absolutely no idea how or why it's remained such an enduring phenomenon.
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The Poseidon Adventure (1972)

I can't tell you why, but if it's on, my butt's in the seat for the duration.
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Old 07-04-2019, 09:51 PM
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I still love watching Strange Brew. I saw it like 46 times in the theatre back in 1983/84/85 and have seen it at least 100 times on home video since then. It's got cheap production values, a ridiculous re-telling of Hamlet for a plot and is basically just an SCTV sketch that is way overblown... but I love it.

Ernest Goes To Jail always does it for me too.
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:14 PM
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I still love watching Strange Brew. I saw it like 46 times in the theatre back in 1983/84/85 and have seen it at least 100 times on home video since then. It's got cheap production values, a ridiculous re-telling of Hamlet for a plot and is basically just an SCTV sketch that is way overblown... but I love it.
If a buddy of mine and I walk into a watering hole where we're not known, he will often ask for an Elsinore beer. Some bartenders get it, but I'm always surprised at the number who don't.
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:19 PM
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Superman II

The insane tone, the massive plot holes and forced script writing. But it still works cause....Terrence Stamp? I dunno.
It still works because Christopher Reeve played both Clark Kent and Superman with total sincerity.

I want every eight-year old girl to watch A League of Their Own.
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:36 PM
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That totally fucking rocks!
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:38 PM
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Flash Gordon from 1980. The effects are either badly dated or just bad, the acting ranges from nonexistent to completely over the top, with no middle ground, and it's just generally silly. Oh, yeah, and the soundtrack is...unique.

I love it! I don't know if it holds up for others, but it certainly does for me.

(dundundundun FLASH! AH-AH!)
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:41 PM
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The Poseidon Adventure (1972)

I can't tell you why, but if it's on, my butt's in the seat for the duration.
Very nice soundtrack, total sincerity from the cast.
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Flesh Gordon (1974). I like Emperor Wang of Planet Porno. And the monster, too.
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Old 07-04-2019, 11:15 PM
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'Crazy Larry, Dirty Mary'. It's campy, silly and fun. Possibly the best line in any movie at one point. Anyone know it?
No, but I own Dirty Mary Crazy Larry.

Talk about a surprise ending.
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Old 07-04-2019, 11:27 PM
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Flash Gordon from 1980. The effects are either badly dated or just bad, the acting ranges from nonexistent to completely over the top, with no middle ground, and it's just generally silly. Oh, yeah, and the soundtrack is...unique.

I love it! I don't know if it holds up for others, but it certainly does for me.

(dundundundun FLASH! AH-AH!)
I'll watch it start-to-finish every time, and I think it's unbelievably bad. Brightly colored and well-scored, but otherwise unbelievably bad casting, acting, cinematography, script, directing, etc. It's also one of the most gleefully fun movies I own.
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Flesh Gordon (1974). I like Emperor Wang of Planet Porno. And the monster, too.
I own this too and agree that it's a lot of fun.

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Old 07-04-2019, 11:30 PM
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If a buddy of mine and I walk into a watering hole where we're not known, he will often ask for an Elsinore beer. Some bartenders get it, but I'm always surprised at the number who don't.
Beauty, eh?
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Old 07-05-2019, 01:07 AM
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I think The Fifth Element is a timeless classic for reasons that are not readily apparent.

Speaking of which, here is a Lana Del Rey/Fifth Element mashup that is absurdly brilliant:

https://youtu.be/XKMnhgakmU8
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:15 AM
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Ice Station Zebra has always done it for me. Ernest Borgnine as a Russian double agent! Patrick McGoohan as the MI6 spy! Rock Hudson as The Skipper! What more could you want?
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:32 AM
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:38 AM
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I'll watch it start-to-finish every time, and I think it's unbelievably bad. Brightly colored and well-scored, but otherwise unbelievably bad casting, acting, cinematography, script, directing, etc. It's also one of the most gleefully fun movies I own.
It's the last bit that makes it. Something can almost always be fun to watch when it's clear the people involved know that what they're doing is silly and they lean into it.
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:39 AM
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No, but I own Dirty Mary Crazy Larry.

Talk about a surprise ending.
I saw that in the drivein. It messed with my preteen head.
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In 1975, I saw "Jaws" at a drive-in. Recently, I watched it for only the second time. I expected the clunky special effects would render it hopelessly dated. I was surprised. Although it could be done today with much better special effects, it would be a CGI gore-fest and look totally unrealistic. But what really puts "Jaws" over the top is the acting. Scheider, Shaw and Dreyfuss could never be improved upon, and that's really what makes it still work after all this time.
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Although it involved director Sam 'Evil Dead' Raimi, cult favourite actor Bruce Campbell and writer/directors the Coen Brothers the 1985 film Crimewave had a troubled production with studio interference, insufficient budget and most of those involved hated it and have disowned it. They don't like it.

Now me? I think the mix of pulp fiction, horror, romance and comedy is great and it is one of my favourite films of all time.

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Old 07-05-2019, 10:16 AM
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I think The Fifth Element is a timeless classic for reasons that are not readily apparent.

Speaking of which, here is a Lana Del Rey/Fifth Element mashup that is absurdly brilliant:

https://youtu.be/XKMnhgakmU8
I'll second this.

Here's a story:

A buddy and I were building some display cabinets for a shoe company once. We were using his backyard/garage shop so when we took breaks, we'd usually go into his house, turn the TV on and sit on the couch. One day we did this and turning the TV on brought us into the movie about halfway through, right where Corbin and Leelu arrive at the spaceport to go to Fhloston. We had no idea what was going on but it looked so cool, we ended up watching the last half of the movie. As we're getting up to go back to work, they announce that the movie will start AGAIN at the top of the hour, in like 10 minutes. So we make some lunch, figuring we'll watch the beginning now and have the complete film in our heads, then we'll go back to work.

Well, when the movie ended, they announced that it was start again. So we watched it again. And again. And again. We didn't get a damn thing done all day, we just kept watching Fifth Element over and over.

The second day we only watched it 3 times and we got a lot of work done, prolly even got caught up. But in a week I had watched that movie about 17 times. I got it on DVD and then on BR and I've seen it hundreds of times now.

BUT... anytime I see it playing, I have a hard time not dropping everything and watching it. It's absolutely one of my favorite movies: nothing but fun, great acting, fantastic script, fucking perfect casting all-around, production values and designs that are nothing less than stunning... Luc Besson's best film by far IMO.

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Another movie that I watch anytime I can is The In-Laws. Perfect casting, great directing, an astounding script, fantastic cinematography and just funny, funny, funny. "Serpentine, Shel! Serpentine!"
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Speaking of which, here is a Lana Del Rey/Fifth Element mashup that is absurdly brilliant:

https://youtu.be/XKMnhgakmU8
Cool.
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Flash Gordon from 1980. The effects are either badly dated or just bad, the acting ranges from nonexistent to completely over the top, with no middle ground, and it's just generally silly. Oh, yeah, and the soundtrack is...unique.

I love it! I don't know if it holds up for others, but it certainly does for me.

(dundundundun FLASH! AH-AH!)
Have you ever noticed what sound the “sex rays” make?

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Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.....
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I totally agree about The Fifth Element. It's just so much fun and I like the set design and costumes, and the way they created the aliens, spaceships and so forth. (And then I went to see Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets in the theater, hoping it would be as much fun. I was so disappointed. I do that a lot actually; if I like a director's movie, I'll seek out others made by him or her. Sometimes I'm happy but usually I'm disappointed.)
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I totally agree about The Fifth Element. It's just so much fun and I like the set design and costumes, and the way they created the aliens, spaceships and so forth. (And then I went to see Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets in the theater, hoping it would be as much fun. I was so disappointed. I do that a lot actually; if I like a director's movie, I'll seek out others made by him or her. Sometimes I'm happy but usually I'm disappointed.)
Valerian was a disaster in all the ways that 5E was not, but especially in the casting and the script. The casting was arguably worse than having Kyle "I'm made out of wood" Maclachlahn and Courtney "Look at me!" Love in the lead roles. And let's not even delve into the shitty, misogynistic script...

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The Poseidon Adventure (1972)

I can't tell you why, but if it's on, my butt's in the seat for the duration.
I can tell you why. Because it's delightfully cheesy, that's why.

Hot pants with boots - check
Shelly Winters performing daring deeds of do - check
Leslie Nielsen playing it straight as a giant wave comes heading straight for his ship

"Oh. MY. God." - check

I only wish it was on more often. Yes, I could buy a copy (I might even have one) but it's more fun when it's a delightful surprise.
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:29 AM
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Have you ever noticed what sound the “sex rays” make?

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Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.....
I, uh, think you're referring to the abovementioned Flesh Gordon (1974).

I'll add Journey to the Seventh Planet (1962) to the list. Not too long ago, I watched it on-line just to see if it was as wonderfully cheesy as I remembered, and it was. It's hard to beat a lovely pair of Swedish boobs walking straight into the camera!
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This far down, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Forbidden Planet or The Day the Earth Stood Still. When it comes to "holding up over time," I'd say these two are strong contenders for first place.
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I just watched it again on TV last weekend.
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This far down, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Forbidden Planet or The Day the Earth Stood Still. When it comes to "holding up over time," I'd say these two are strong contenders for first place.
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We know why those two hold up. The OP was asking about lesser works that still manage to be entertaining.

The 1939 version of The Four Feathers. Yeah, sure, it's imperialist, colonialist, militarist, racist, sexist, and elitist. It's still worth watching.

The Hammer horror films. Not as good as the Universal originals, but even with shoestring budgets, they gave it their best. I am fond of some of the lesser-known films, like The Two Faces of Doctor Jeckyll and Quatermass and the Pit.
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This far down, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Forbidden Planet or The Day the Earth Stood Still. When it comes to "holding up over time," I'd say these two are strong contenders for first place.
Adamantium-solid sci-fi concepts. For me, there's no...."Wait, why is this still working?"


Granted when it comes to Sci-Fi, for me....I just automatically screen out anything that may make it look dated, and just lock into the theme and whatever happen to be timeless. In the above, besides the themes and story, there's great soundtracks and sound effects.

Man, that giant ID attack.
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I totally agree about The Fifth Element. It's just so much fun and I like the set design and costumes, and the way they created the aliens, spaceships and so forth. (And then I went to see Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets in the theater, hoping it would be as much fun. I was so disappointed. I do that a lot actually; if I like a director's movie, I'll seek out others made by him or her. Sometimes I'm happy but usually I'm disappointed.)
I suggest you seek out his The Extraordinary Adventures of Adèle Blanc-Sec, It's delightfully bizarre, with pterodactyls flying through 1912 Paris, mummy's curses, and a woman with a hatpin in the brain.
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Old 07-05-2019, 01:03 PM
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In 1975, I saw "Jaws" at a drive-in. Recently, I watched it for only the second time. I expected the clunky special effects would render it hopelessly dated. I was surprised. Although it could be done today with much better special effects, it would be a CGI gore-fest and look totally unrealistic. But what really puts "Jaws" over the top is the acting. Scheider, Shaw and Dreyfuss could never be improved upon, and that's really what makes it still work after all this time.
The lack of CGI is one of the reasons JAWS is a great movie. A big element of the suspense is that you don't get to actually see the entire shark until near the end of the movie. That wasn't intentional at the time - Spielberg had this awesome mechanical shark built, and planned to use it a lot, right from the beginning of the movie. But the damned thing kept breaking down, so they had to use it very sparingly. The result was that the shark became this shadowy killing machine of unknown size, which made it much scarier.

Spielberg has said that in retrospect the way the shark was used was much more effective than what he had originally planned.

If JAWS had CGI available, the shark would have been just a shark, with little mystery element. The movie would have suffered for it. CGI in the wrong hands can ruin a movie. For example, look at the difference between the original Star Wars, which was almost all practical effects, and the prequels, which were largely shot in front of green screens. CGI made Lucas lazy, and the films suffered for it.

Back on topic: I can watch 'The Blues Brothers' over again any time and enjoy the hell out of it. The same goes for 'Monty Python's Life of Brian'.
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Adamantium-solid sci-fi concepts. For me, there's no...."Wait, why is this still working?"
True, but they're more than a half-century old. Their enduing appeal is what's truly remarkable.

Not many science-fiction movies can make that claim.
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Back on topic: I can watch 'The Blues Brothers' over again any time and enjoy the hell out of it.
Good example. I disliked it when it first came out because it was such a mess. Now I love it especially for the cameos by blues performers.
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I just watched it again on TV last weekend.
Sadly, it doesn't hold up well on TV. All the funny was removed.
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Sadly, it doesn't hold up well on TV. All the funny was removed.
Agreed, if you're not watching it unedited, as Mel intended, don't even bother.
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:15 PM
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Agreed, if you're not watching it unedited, as Mel intended, don't even bother.
Back in the 80s my mother was excited to watching Blazing Saddles with me and was quite upset that they edited all the rude sounds from the campfire scene. The cowpokes would rise up while eating, sometimes grunt, and sit down but without the rude sounds the scene was much less effective.
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