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Old 06-14-2019, 07:16 PM
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What is the Least Serious Crime You would Turn in a Friend or Relative for?


I'm thinking I would call the cops if I knew a loved one was stealing cars or committing burglaries.

I wouldn't if I knew a loved one was selling drugs, evading taxes, or embezzling from an employer.

I'd lose all respect for them, and cut off contact though.
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Old 06-14-2019, 07:58 PM
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How big a reward are the cops offering?
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Old 06-14-2019, 08:34 PM
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How big a reward are the cops offering?
None. It's strictly a civic duty.
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Old 06-14-2019, 09:12 PM
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Child molestation, or some kind of sadistic murder of an innocent person. Nothing less than that would ever get me to dime out a family member or friend, and I would need to have damn solid proof of it.
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Old 06-14-2019, 10:44 PM
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DUI would be a tough one, I’d lean towards yes if they had a habit of heavy drinking and then driving. I’m not talking two glasses of champagne at a wedding reception. Downing an entire bottle of Jack Daniels and then going out in a car in another story.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:02 PM
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I would call the cops if I knew a loved one was committing burglaries.

I wouldn't if I knew a loved one was selling drugs.
What if you knew a loved one was selling drugs to someone who had to commit burglaries to buy them?
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:42 PM
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Pretty much for any violent crimes whether it was beating their spouse and/or kids, or assaulting a stranger, including sexual assault or abuse including molestation, child porn, etc.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:55 PM
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It depends on the relative.

I've got some relatives I would turn in for jaywalking and others that get a pass on anything up to a felony.
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Old 06-15-2019, 12:37 AM
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Depends what the law is. I think that around here I'm compelled to report child abuse and murder. Apart from that, the police aren't interested in my opinion, and I'm not particularly interested in theirs.
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:17 AM
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I would help, if the person deserved it.
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:23 AM
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But, you people who are not turning in family members, are you OK with strangers whose other family members hurt you or your family not turning in their relatives? Or aiding them in hiding from justice?
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:43 AM
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I would help, if the person deserved it.
Sone kids just need molesting, eh?
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Old 06-15-2019, 02:09 AM
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Sone kids just need molesting, eh?
That seems uncalled for.

Depends on the crime and how well I could predict an escalation. If we were close I'd encourage them to seek therapy for violence or sexual attraction to children. If distant then I'd contact an external service.

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Old 06-15-2019, 02:22 AM
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I'd have a difficult decision turning in a family member.

I'd do it for serious violent crime like murder, rape,spousal abuse, or sexual assault. Maybe armed robbery.

I'd try to intervene and get the person to seek treatment and stop drinking & driving or using & selling drugs. Going to the police would be a last resort.

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Depends what the law is. I think that around here I'm compelled to report child abuse and murder. Apart from that, the police aren't interested in my opinion, and I'm not particularly interested in theirs.
This.
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That seems uncalled for.

Depends on the crime and how well I could predict an escalation. If we were close I'd encourage them to seek therapy for violence or sexual attraction to children. If distant then I'd contact an external service.

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Well, sitchensis said he would help in the commission of the crime if the victim deserved it. Iíd like to dial in what crimes he sees as likely for the victim to deserve it: rape, murder, assault? Which of those would he join in on?
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Old 06-15-2019, 03:51 AM
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If we're talking somebody who isn't a direct family member (parent, sibling, child) I'd probably report cruelty to an animal up to and including killing wild animals for fun (that wasn't something like sanctioned hunting) . I'd also report arson if it was completely random and not an idiot trying to do it for insurance purposes. Basically anything that could lead to an escalating pattern.
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:17 AM
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Same as turning in - or not - someone I know who is not blood kin. Relatives don't get a special pass for protection, or specific malice to snoop out & tattle. Besides, some people just need killin' and I'd help hide the body if someone did us all the favor.

I did not know the phrase "dime out." If I try using it, would I sound as relevant as a square, daddy-o? Or as ridiculous as a white housewife from the 'burbs claiming to have dat thug life?
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:30 AM
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There are rare occasions where someone commits a crime for survival reasons. Stealing food when hungry, or stealing medicine for a sick child, etc. All crimes have a cost to society which the rest of us must pay, and in those extremely rare instances my checkbook is open.

But no one else gets a pass. If you're stealing, cheating, dui-ing, doing drugs or anything else, you just passed on a cost to me that you're too lazy or useless to bear. And I'll be on the phone in a heartbeat, testify at your trial, and cheer when they lead you away to prison.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:11 AM
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I'd turn in one of my brothers for an overdue library book or removing a furniture tag.

Everyone else it needs to be pretty serious.

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Old 06-15-2019, 12:57 PM
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Depends what the law is. I think that around here I'm compelled to report child abuse and murder. Apart from that, the police aren't interested in my opinion, and I'm not particularly interested in theirs.
I wouldn't put on that blanket a basis, but it's true with a lot of crimes the police couldn't or wouldn't necessarily do anything just because somebody calls and tells on somebody else. 'Hey police, my brother drives drunk a lot'. So, they are going to stake him out to catch him doing it? Not likely, and if they did it would raise the issue of why they were so interested in him in particular. Similarly with drug offenses in a lot of cases.

But legal requirement would not be my only criterion. In general I'd report anybody for a serious* felony where I was highly confident my information was true and of practical use to the authorities in proving a specific crime. There would always be exceptions, but who says the answer has to be simple or absolute?

*potential weasel word, but OTOH some localities have made some fairly minor stuff into a felony (for example felony evasion in some states includes just driving away from the police, not necessarily recklessly nor requiring them to prove an underlying crime).
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:25 PM
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Any kind of child abuse or animal abuse. I once reported a cousin for leaving his dog outside in bitter cold weather.
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:48 PM
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Man, I guess we're learning goody-goody's have zero loyalty at all. I'm glad I'm not in *your* families. Because guess what? Everyone breaks *some* stupid law. Do you narc out your kids when they visit you because they street parked without a permit? How about when they jaywalk on the way to the restaurant they're taking you to? Or when they accidentally run an aggressively timed red that seemed like it should be yellow longer?

Since cops are worse than most criminals and the US justice system a laughable joke focused purely on piling on as many excessive charges as possible to railroad you into a plea bargain that will still ruin your life and all future employment prospects, it would have to be a pretty heavy duty offense to merit dropping a dime.

I'm thinking:

1. Cold-blooded murder where the victim couldn't possibly deserve it, or more than one murder even if incited / "justifiable"
2. Beating / molesting kids
3. Serial arson or serial DUI or other serial reckless endangerment that's basically 95% likely to end in innocent deaths if continued much longer.

Everything else gets at least a "look the other way" even if some of them would end with avoiding / cutting off contact. It's not worth literally ruining the rest of their lives over anything less.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:32 PM
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For me, it's not about being my friend, but just whether or not I should get involved at all. Being my friend only matters in that I will be more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt when I don't know what's going on. But if I know you're committing the crime, then the issue is the same as if you were a stranger.

That said, there are many crimes I would not turn people in for. I would consider how much harm it actually does. I'm pretty sure I'd wind up about the same places most of you would. Illegal downloading? Nah. Stole a grape at the supermarket? Nah. Speed when they drive? Nah. No, Textual Innunedo, I'm not going to turn people in for those things you mention.

But it's all about whether what you are doing is sufficiently bad to get the police involved to stop you. Not whether or not you're my friend.

That's not what loyalty means. It means being there to help them out, being available for them, sticking with them when the going gets tough. It's not some sort of entitlement to let you get away with things that hurt others.

Oh, and TI, the danger of creating a limited list is that it's easy to leave things out. I would hope rape would be on your list, too. And I'm sure if someone stole your car, you're not going to just ignore that.

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Depends what the law is. I think that around here I'm compelled to report child abuse and murder. Apart from that, the police aren't interested in my opinion, and I'm not particularly interested in theirs.

Thatís my opinion also.
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